Jump to content
Pro Wrestling Only

All Activity

This stream auto-updates     

  1. Past hour
  2. SRS tweeted that not all ideas make their way to the talent, so it's entirely feasible Adam Cole didn't know about it.
  3. NintendoLogic

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    This seems to shed new light on the question of why WWE was so willing to cut Flair loose. Maybe they realized he was a ticking time bomb and hoped he would go off in AEW's lap rather than their own. By the way, I'm really looking forward to the Kanyon episode. I have a feeling it's going to reveal Undertaker to be an even bigger piece of shit than we realized.
  4. Today
  5. hammerva

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    About half way through it I was willing to give Dreamer the benefit of the doubt because let's be honest he was probably witness to a much worse felony once a month for about 6 and half years in ECW. Maybe even participated in a few of them. So in his mind trying to get someone to touch their dick doesn't come off bad. But of course like most older people in wrestling, we have to blame everything on cancel culture and people being over sensitive. Also love that the the people who scream responsibility always use the same excuse of cancel culture. Frankly I would respect Tommy more if he would just admit that he justifies everything because he is a mark for the boys. Really nothing describes how bad this and really the atmosphere toward women was in 2002 WWE then Terri Runnels constantly being told "don't sell it" when guys try creepy shit. Almost feels like a "just lay down and accept it" kind of thing.
  6. I'm in need of a break from the GME project, so I'm going to try and watch every Starrcade and maybe some of the other WCW PPVs when I get to them. I've seen most of the high-end JCP/WCW matches and a few full shows here and there, but a lot of this stuff is a blind spot for me. I'll cover the shows in the same way that I did in the Cactus Watches Every Wrestlemania thread (which is currently on hiatus as the more modern Wrestlemanias are a massive chore to sit through). Seeing as there were only 18 Starrcade events and all bar one of them run under 3 hours, I imagine this will be a much easier watch than having to sit through all of the Wrestlemanias. NWA Starrcade 1983: A Flare For The Gold Bugsy McGraw & Rufus R. Jones vs. The Assassins (Assassin #1 & Assassin #2) (w/Paul Jones) McGraw opens this match and gets his shine. Jones gets tagged in and hits a soulful flurry that was half Rocky Johnson, Half-Giant Baba. One of the Assassin tries to escape an arm wrench by punching Jones, but it's not effective as Jones' skull is thick, I guess. Bit racist, mate. Both faces aren't the best strikers, but every shot had a lot of personalities and it felt like their own. The Assassins are able to sneak a win by getting a schoolboy with a handful of tights. What we got here was very rudimentary, but that's to be expected with an opener from this era. The crowd seemed to love what they got served and it didn't go on for too long. ★½ Kevin Sullivan & Mark Lewin (w/Gary Hart) vs Johnny Weaver & Scott McGhee The younger Sullivan and McGhee bring the speed and youthful energy, while Weaver and Lewin feel a lot more old school. McGhee lands a neat counter early on. Weaver hits a bulldog, but he is countered on his second attempt. Lewin and Sullivan work over Weaver and score an underhanded win that comes out of nowhere, but all hell breaks loose in the afterbirth. Gary Harts hands Lewin a weapon. McGhee hits a beautiful running dropkick on Hart before he ends up bleed a gusher after he's hit with the weapon. Angelo Mosca runs in to save the faces but ends up getting juice on his arm. ★★ Abdullah The Butcher vs Carlos Colon This match-up was banned in Puerto Rico according to the commentary, which isn't true as these two were regular foes there. There's not much to talk about here, but what were you really expecting? Abdullah straight away pulls a weapon out of his pants and this turns into a bloody garbage brawl. The referee gets taken out and Colon starts to take charge. He has Abdullah in the Figure Four, but Hugo Savinovich comes down and costs Colon the match. Blood can sometimes help a good match become great, but that wasn't the case here. Some of the blood splattering shots to the head might have been disgusting, but the match itself was a dull affair. ¼★ Bob Orton Jr. & Dick Slater vs Mark Youngblood & Wahoo McDaniel Every time I see a Bob Orton Jr. match, he always ends up impressing me with his Southern style of wrestling. Youngblood is here to be the pretty boy babyface who gets worked over by the heels until it's time to make the hot tag to Wahoo. Wahoo is looking rather washed up here, but he's only here to take the hot tag and land some weak-looking chops, so he doesn't stink up the match at all. A beautifully executed float-over superplex is enough for the heels to take the victory. After the bell, the heels try to break Wahoo's arm. Youngblood & Wahoo were very over with the crowd, so this had quite a lot of heat. This got a lot of time to breathe, with the total match time clocking in at just over 13 minutes and it's very well-paced throughout. ★★★ NWA Television Title Vs. Mask Match The Great Kabuki (w/Gary Hart) (c) vs Charlie Brown For those who are somehow unaware, Charlie Brown is Jimmy Valiant under an obvious hood. He was good here, with his comeback flurries always having plenty of pizzazz and charm. I wish I could say good things about Kabuki, but he was a bore here. He'd always go back to locking on the claw whenever the match would build up some steam, killing the momentum in its tracks. Just when you think he was about to hit a cool top rope move, he lands on his feet and goes right back to the dreaded claw hold. I can see why wrestling purists hated Jimmy Valiant at the time, but he's got some much charisma that he could get even non-wrestling fans behind him. ★★ Dog Collar Match Roddy Piper vs Greg Valentine In this legendary blow-off match, Valentine is the US champion, but it's not on the line here. These two beat the shit out of each other in this bloody chain match. Piper is going into this with an ear injury and Valentine exploits it. Piper gets juice from the ear and expertly sells it by wobbling all over the place. How the hell do you get blood from an ear?! The image of Valentine's contorted face being wrenched against the chain will stick with me for a long time. After a failed dive from the second rope, Piper pummels Valentine and gets the victory. Considering this is regarded as one of the best ever matches under the NWA banner, I do wish I liked this more than I did. Still, it's a brutal display of violence with convincing performances from both Valentine and Piper. ★★★★ NWA World Tag Team Title Match (Special Referee: Angelo Mosca) The Brisco Brothers (Jack Brisco & Jerry Brisco) (c) vs Jay Youngblood & Ricky Steamboat This was two salty shooters taking on two white-meat babyface heartthrobs. I've never seen a wrestler move around the ring as naturally as Steamboat does. He teases his chop early on, but Jack is able to avoid it. Steamboat gets a lot of shine on both brothers and this forces them to be more cautious. Youngblood's stuff doesn't quite look as crisp as Steamboat's, but he's a great mat worker. The Brisco cuts off Steamboat with strikes and works over him. Steamboat escapes a short arm scissors by deadlifting his opponent. That spot will always be impressive! Jerry Brisco starts arguing with Angel Mosca about his counting and gets shoved for his troubles and this begins the heel's downfall. After a flurry of double team moves, Steamboat & Youngblood win the straps. This was a great mesh of different styles. This was also a fantastic showcase for Steamboat, who looked like the best wrestler in the world during this title match. ★★★¾ NWA World Heavyweight Title Steel Cage Match (Special Referee: Gene Kiniski) Harley Race (c) vs Ric Flair I wish this clicked with me more. This felt like they couldn't decide whether they wanted to do an explosive bloody brawl or a slow-burner technical bout, so they decided to meet in the middle and the result is a match that is lacking in urgency. The individual performances of both Flair and Race were solid, even if this was a drag to sit through. The most interesting part of this is the increasing tension between Race and guest referee Gene Kiniski. Kiniski has to physically pull Race from Flair. This might be No DQ, but Kiniski still wants Race to fight with honor! I know a lot of people thought Kiniski did a terrible job as a referee, but I thought he added to the match. The finish of this match is quite legendary, with Flair landing a flying body press from the top rope to become NWA champion once again. It's no wonder he kept attempting that move for the rest of his career, even if it usually resulted in him being slammed from the top rope most of the time. It might not work most of the time, but he won the world title with that move, so it's worth the risk! The faces storm the ring and celebrate with their new champion. It's a feel-good ending, even if the match left me cold. ★★½ Overall: For a first attempt, this was a great showing. It's leagues better than the first Wrestlemania. The undercard can be hit or miss, but the last three matches are worth going out of your way to see. Even if I didn't like the main event all that much, it's a historical match that every fan should see. We also get plenty of backstage interviews, which the commentators were touting as a big deal. I guess that lockerroom interviews weren't much of a thing before 1983. Starrcade '83 isn't quite an all-time great show, but it's an important step in the evolution of wrestling PPVs. NWA Starrcade 1984: The Million Dollar Challenge NWA World Junior Heavyweight Title Match Mike Davis (c) vs Denny Brown Although it's clear that the Junior belt wasn't thought of as much, these two went out there and put on a solid opener that was quick and had plenty of work rate. Brown was working as the plucky babyface challenger, but I heard plenty of boos for him as he was announced. He didn't look too good here. He ends up botching a spot where he was supposed to fall to the outside after Davis does a drop-down. Davis hits Brown with a bridging back suplex, but Brown gets his shoulder up at 2. Davis doesn't realize that his own shoulders are pinned to the mat and Brown wins this one and the belt. I enjoyed this match for what it was, but not the finish. It did Brown no favors. He might have won the title, but it looked like a total fluke. ★★ Brian Adias vs Mr. Ito Everything about Mr. Ito's presentation feels vaguely racist. He's a mysterious, cheating Japanese journeyman who is only here to do the job for Brian Adias. Adias is a good-looking dude who seems like he knows how to work, so it's surprising that he didn't go on to do bigger things. He's barely six feet tall, so that might have held him back. Anyways, this was a quick three-minute squash. Adias catches Ito in an Airplane Spin that actually looks quite devastating. ★★ NWA Florida Heavyweight Title Match Jesse Barr (c) vs Mike Graham I've always heard that Mike Graham wasn't great in-ring, but he impressed me here. He showed a lot of fire when he was making his comebacks. This featured a lot of lengthy holds, but Graham sold them by grimacing and groaning all over the place. It's a small touch that can make a basic hold entertaining. Barr keeps cheating by pulling Graham's hair and using the ropes for leverage. Barr's facial expressions and acting did feel rather over-the-top whenever the referee would confront him about cheating. This might not be to everyone's taste, as it was quite slow and there aren't many high spots, but I thought this was a well-wrestled bout that told a good story. ★★★ Elimination Tag Team Match Buzz Tyler & The Assassin #1 vs The Zambuie Express (Elijah Akeem & Kareem Muhammad) (w/Paul Jones) This was a mess. One of the members of the Zambuie Express and Buzz Tyler brawl on the outside and are counted out. The announcers don't acknowledge this as the match continues. Assassin #1 and the other member of the Zambuie Express carrying on brawling in the ring until Assassin #1 gets the pin. The announcer seem to think that this was the first elimination. The wrestlers leave the ring as the announcers finally figure out that the match is over. The elimination stipulation added nothing to the match. Buzz Tyler might have looked like shit, but his brawling was decent and he did a good job of firing up the crowd. ¼★ NWA Mid-Atlantic Brass Knuckles Title Match Black Bart (w/JJ Dillon) (c) vs Manny Fernandez Fernandez coming out to Michael Jackson's Beat It made him look like an old man who was desperately trying to be cool with the kids, despite the fact that he was only in his 30s at this point! The Brass Knuckles title only lasted a few years and every match was fought under no disqualifications rules. Think of it as the Hardcore title before the Hardcore title existed! This was a run-of-the-mill brawl, with Black Bart getting juice. This wasn't exactly Funk vs Lawler, but it got the job done. JJ Dillion tries to throw Bart his bull rope, but this gave Fernandez enough time to sneak a roll-up and win the match. ★¾ Loser Leaves Town Tuxedo Street Fight Jimmy Valiant (w/The Assassin #1) vs Paul Jones (w/Elijah Akeem) Valiant ties Jones to the ropes with his own tie and starts choking him. With his big and goofy facial expressions, Jones sold his beating well. Valiant soon starts to strip Jones from his tuxedo as the commentators worry about seeing too much of Jones. Jones even bleeds a gusher as Valiant continues to pummel him. After some outside interference, Jones is able to blindside Valiant and Valiant is forced to leave town. I didn't hate this. This might have been pure ga-ga, but the crowd ate this up and were going insane for Jimmy Valiant. ★ NWA Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight Title Match Ron Bass (w/JJ Dillon) (c) vs Dick Slater This wasn't good. I watched it about 12 hours ago and I can't remember hardly anything about it. This was more meat and potatoes brawling. JJ Dillon once again tries to get involved, but Slater puts a stop to him. A fired-up Slater ends up shoving the referee and gets himself disqualified. He hits a big scoop slam and leg drop combination and goes for the cover, but the referee comes around and awards the victory to Bass. A babyface losing because of their own stupidity is never a good look. ★ Keith Larson & Ole Anderson (w/Don Kernodle) vs The Russians (Ivan Koloff & Nikita Koloff) The Russians put Don Kernodle on the shelf, so the faces are out for revenge in this grudge match. They jumpstart this by attacking both the Koloffs. The faces get a ton of shine and utilize a lot of quick tags. The heels are great at doing all the stoogey selling and showing the fans that they are getting their asses kicked without garnering sympathy for themselves. Ole Anderson is soon isolated by The Russians and they begin a long face-in-peril segment, with Anderson spending a lot of time in a bearhug, All chaos breaks loose once Anderson tags in Larson. Don Kernodle gets shoved to the floor and this gets a lot of heat for the heels. During all of the carnage, Nikita blasts Larson with his chain and gets the victory. Most of the action here was rather basic, but the tag team psychology was stellar and the crowd loved every minute of this, so it's well worth your time. ★★★¼ NWA Television Title Match Tully Blanchard (c) vs Ricky Steamboat Tully can lose his title on a DQ or count-out loss, so he's forced to try and work this one straight. Steamboat's coming into this with damaged ribs and he sells his injury masterfully. After a quick feeling out, Steamboat starts to feel gassed, and Tully senses this and starts stalking Steamboat like a snake. Tully has concealed weapon in his trunks and he teases using it. He finally does when Steamboat is attempting a sunset flip. Steamboat gets nailed with the unknown weapon and Tully steals a win. The story-telling here was fantastic and they didn't have to have to hammer everything into the audience's heads to make their point. This had a frantic pace and a hell of a lot of work rate, with many near-falls in the finishing stretch. My only complaint is that I wished they wrestled for longer, as this felt that it ended just as it was getting started. I could easily watch them go at it for another ten minutes and not get bored. ★★★★ NWA United States Heavyweight Title Match Wahoo McDaniel (c) vs Superstar Billy Graham This was a match between two washed-up legends. Graham is doing his karate gimmick and it's aged as well as milk. Seeing him come down to the ring to Kung Fu Fighting is so fucking corny, especially when he's a karate practitioner. He's so muscular here, he's downright repulsive-looking when he poses. Graham's finish during this period is a full nelson, which doesn't exactly fit into his whole karate schtick. He manages to lock it on, but McDaniel escapes and wins with a weak-looking chop. McDaniel looked as if he didn't want to be there. This was kept mercifully short, but could they not find two better workers to fight for one of the more important championships? ½★ NWA World Heavyweight Title Match (Special Referee: Joe Frazier) Ric Flair (c) vs Dusty Rhodes The best thing about pro-wrestling being scripted is that you don't usually have to deal with bullshit real sport 'finishes', that's why the finish here completely sucked. As they had Joe Frazier in here, they tried to protect both men by having a boxing-themed finish, with Dusty losing so much blood that Joe has to stop the match and award the victory to Flair. The finish sucked the life out of the fans in the arena and it left a sour taste in my mouth. The match went around 12 minutes and it felt like a sprint with zero down-time. Flair flops around the place and begs Dusty off in typical Flair fashion. I have nothing against the in-ring stuff here, it's just that this match was missing a decent finish to make it a good package overall. ★★¾ Overall: This was a step-down from last year's event. Tully vs Steamboat is a hidden gem that you should go out of your way to watch, and the Larson/Anderson vs The Russians was a good showing in tag team wrestling, but that's where my praise ends for this. Some of the stuff during the middle of the show was completely forgettable. The main event had some potential to be excellent, but the piss-poor finish tarnishes the entire show when you've spent nearly three hours building up to it.
  7. MoS

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    Yeah but wanting to do it on the live broadcast of WrestleMania 17 is a bit much. Although chances that Vince goes on with Austin-Rock after a 45-min break anyway are really high.
  8. joeg

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    In his defense, I'm sure everybody working ECW in 2000 considered murdering Paul Heyman.
  9. sek69

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    Dreamer once said he was seriously considering doing a murder-suicide on Paul Heyman, so there's that.
  10. C.S.

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    I'm 100% unfamiliar with Tommy Dreamer as a controversial, divisive figure. What else has he said? Does lend credence to the story my friend told me about overhearing Dreamer shout the n-word in public.
  11. KawadaSmile

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    holy shit he makes it worse
  12. sek69

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    Yeah Dreamer being a piece of shit is nothing new, but seeing him just go out there and show his complete ass on TV like that was something else. Every time I thought he couldn't say anything worse he just kept digging deeper and deeper until it became weirdly impressive.
  13. KawadaSmile

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    Dreamer really fucking sucks and him saying really stupid, tone-deaf shit like that is completely coherent with the wild, wild shit he's said over the years.
  14. MoS

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    You could see JR find a way to defend his old friend and just unable to find a way. For good reason. Tommy Dreamer tried to defend him and somehow ended up looking the worst out of everyone involved.
  15. Riki Choshu vs Yoshiaki Fujiwara - NJPW 06/29/87 They had a corker of a match about 20 days prior to this. This one is just as heated but the finish is so abrupt it makes the match feel incomplete. Fujiwara comes out of the gate red hot, slapping Big Match Riki down, stomping him and throwing those Fujiwara headbutts. Fujiwara really loved choking Choshu in this match. Riki fires up and starts giving as good as he gets. You know those silly stand there and eat shots that New Japan does all the time in 2010s this is how it ought to be done. These dudes are standing & banging! The crowd is going wild! Fujiwara is the one who finally takes it to the mat with a cross-armbreaker attempt. Everything in the match feels so gritty. They have to work for every inch. Choshu has his hands so tightly clasped. Fujiwara switches to the classic armbar attempt when that doesnt work he tries slaps the shit out of Choshu. Choshu had enough of this shit and tosses him out. Love the corner collar & elbow tieup fits in so well with the grit of the match. Choshu maniac back elbows to the head in the corner while the rest of his body pins Fujiwara to the buckles was sick! Ref peels him off Fujiwara and Fujiwara applies a leglace. Never count Fujiwara out of it. Choshu slaps Fujiwara in the hold, stomps him in the ropes, chokes him. This is ferocious! Fujiwara punch combination and headbutt! Chokes Choshu! Such a great performance by both men! Fujiwara lures him in the corner but the ref forces Choshu to the middle. Fujiwara has Choshu's long locks and is using it to throw headbutts and then CHOSHU DEMOLISHES HIM WITH A LARIAT! I LOVE BIG MATCH RIKI! Choshu Saito Suplex, Block, FUJIWARA ARMBAR TAKEDOWN! Mark Out City! Crowd went wild. Choshu drags Fujiwara to the floor. Choshy does the 'ol ricochet off the railing with a Lariat on Fujiwara. Fujiwara on the apron, INCOMING RIKI CRUSHES HIM WITH A MACK TRUCK LARIAT! Countout is declared as Choshu was ready to fire off another one. Awww man it was just getting good. I felt like they were on a trajectory to be an all time classic. Thank God we have the 6/9/87 match. Watch that match first, it is the classic and then when you are hankering for a midnight snack pop this in! ***3/4
  16. joeg

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    They could try but JR didn't exactly do Flair any favors in the documentary when asked about it.
  17. C.S.

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    That's horrifying. My guess is AEW has Dustin (and maybe J.R.) do damage control so they can still bring Flair in.
  18. Now Andrew Zarian of Mat Men podcast is saying there is truth behind the pitch of having Cole managing Keith Lee. Seemingly backing up Meltzer's report
  19. joeg

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    Her description of events was basically after entertaining the boys with his rendition of the helicopter, Ric Flair cornering her in the galley of the plane and grabbed her by the wrists and tried to force her to touch his dick until Dustin Rhodes grabbed Flair and dragged him off. Oh and while checking on an unconscious Scott Hall, Hall regained consciousness long enough to sit up and lick her face before passing out again.
  20. C.S.

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    Flair sure as shit doesn't help himself here: https://www.postwrestling.com/2021/09/14/ric-flair-comments-on-dark-side-of-the-rings-plane-ride-from-hell-episode/ Taking a "whoa is me" approach sure is...something.
  21. C.S.

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    I'm sure you're correct. My reply was based on what @joeg described. I have not seen the episode yet.
  22. funkdoc

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    Dude, you might want to try watching the episode in this case. The point here is that it wasn't "flashing", it was "he trapped me & wouldn't let me go".
  23. C.S.

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    So, nothing new then, beyond the flashing? We all knew about that a decade ago. Not defending it - of course not - but it won't change AEW's plans one bit IMO.
  24. funkdoc

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    Reminder that Triplemania had everyone *happy* to see Flair since the likely alternative was Alberto. Quite the shift in such a short amount of time, huh? EDIT: And yes, to what joeg just posted, Scott Hall was also implicated in the same stuff as Flair. It's just the timing with Flair in particular being why he gets the heat, obviously, since Hall doesn't have any visible role in the business now.
  25. joeg

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    They had the flight attendant he flashed on the episode. Her version of events was pretty damning for Flair, and really everybody on that plane.
  26. KawadaSmile

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    Oh, that kinda sucks. I mean, they can still have that storyline go largely unchanged, but it would for sure be some bad optics. As for Flair, I think that even before whatever scandal came to light, they shouldn't bring him in. He looks in super rough shape, man. Like, Tully looks good for someone in his late 60s, but Ric looks BAD for someone in his early 70s. I just don't see any benefit besides a cameo, let alonge a managerial role. But all this is moot with what's happened anyway.
  27. MoS

    Dark Side of the Ring: Viceland docu-series

    The MJF-Pillman Jr. storyline leans heavily into the DSOTR episode about Pillman. It's where MJF's whole Methanie thing comes from. The DSOTR episode discussed Brian Jr's upbringing and how his mom was an addict and didn't treat him well. MJF might even have mentioned DSOTR by name I think, and has certainly posted stills of Melanie from the episode on Twitter.
  1. Load more activity
×