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There is an upgrade happening tonight starting at 11pm. I expect everything to go smoothly but you might want to refrain from making any long posts over the next 24 hours just in case. (The board is backed up through midnight last night.)

I expect everything to go smoothly but you might want to refrain from making any long posts over the next 24 hours just in case. (The board is backed up through midnight last night.)

Ragemaster has been banned and I'm sorry it took as long as it did. He's gone.

Where does this exist?

This is the only place I can find this match and it's clipped and below par quality. Does it exist anywhere else?

I have this as 1/11/80, is that incorrect?

Is this on YouTube? Having trouble matching it up.

Looks like that link was taken down, but I'm in search of this if anyone has it. Thanks!

1970 MOTYCs (02:50:48) Matches from 1970 JACKY CORN & GUY MERCIER vs TED LAMARRE & JO MARSALO (01/01/1970; French Catch; 00:32:27) DORY FUNK JR. vs ANTONIO INOKI (08/02/1970; JWA NWA World Champion Series; 01:04:37) JEAN FERRE vs FRANCK VALOIS (10/31/1970; French Catch; 00:28:45) ANTONIO INOKI & SHOHEI BABA vs JOHNNY VALENTINE & GENE KINISKI (12/01/1970; JWA International Champion Series; 00:34:59)

Florida History #1 (02:03:51) Matches from 1966-1972 SPUTNIK MONROE vs JACK PESEK (03/26/1966; CWF TV; 00:13:50) LOU THESZ vs MATT JEWELL (04/1966; CWF TV; 00:05:18) DORY FUNK JR. vs JACK BRISCO (01/12/1971; CWF House Tampa, FL; 00:04:52) DORY FUNK JR. vs JACK BRISCO (02/08/1972; CWF House St. Petersburg, FL; 00:41:41) JOHNNY VALENTINE vs BEARCAT WRIGHT (04/18/1972; CWF House Ft. Myers, FL; 00:08:56) JACK BRISCO & RAUL MATA vs BOBBY SHANE & BEARCAT WRIGHT (05/03/1972; CWF House Miami, FL; 00:09:48) JACK BRISCO & JERRY BRISCO vs PAUL JONES & DORY FUNK SR. (05/09/1972; CWF House Tampa, FL; 00:07:13) MIKE GRAHAM vs BOBBY SHANE (05/23/1972; CWF House Tampa, FL; 00:04:57) DORY FUNK JR. vs BUDDY COLT (07/27/1972; CWF House Tampa, FL; 00:06:28) DORY FUNK JR. vs JACK BRISCO (08/07/1972; CWF House Orlando, FL; 00:08:14) JACK BRISCO & RAUL MATA vs BOBBY SHANE & BEARCAT WRIGHT (08/12/1972; CWF House St. Petersburg, FL; 00:02:35) PAUL JONES vs TIM WOODS (08/12/1972; CWF House St. Petersburg, FL; 00:06:59)

1969 MOTYCs #2 (02:55:12) Matches from May-December 1969 ANTONIO INOKI vs CHRIS MARKOFF (05/16/1969; JWA World League; 00:22:57) JOHNNY VALENTINE vs BULL CURRY (06/20/1969; Houston Wrestling; 00:19:39) LE PETIT PRINCE vs MICHEL SAULNIER (10/04/1969; French Catch; 00:35:48) DORY FUNK JR. vs ANTONIO INOKI (12/02/1969; JWA NWA Series; 01:03:47) DORY FUNK JR. vs SHOHEI BABA (12/03/1969; JWA NWA Series; 00:33:01)

1969 MOTYCs #1 (02:18:33) Matches from March-April 1969 SHOHEI BABA vs THE DESTROYER (03/05/1969; JWA Dynamic Series; 01:03:56) VASILIOS MANTOPOULOS & AMOR ZAFAR vs PIERRE BERNAERT & EMBABA LE CONGOLAIS (04/05/1969; French Catch; 00:41:10) INCA PERUANO & ANTON TEJERO vs RENE BEN CHEMOUL & WALTER BORDES (04/21/1969; French Catch; 00:33:27)

Gilbert LeDuc #4 (02:04:09) Matches from 1971-1972 GILBERT LEDUC vs BERT MYCHEL (04/12/1971; French Catch; 00:27:05) GILBERT LEDUC & JACKY CORN vs DER HENKER & KAMIKAZE (06/14/1971; French Catch; 00:35:59) GILBERT LEDUC vs DER HENKER (07/31/1971; French Catch; 00:32:58) GILBERT LEDUC & JACKY CORN vs DER HENKER (07/03/1972; French Catch; 00:28:07)

WWE History #5 (02:14:18) Matches from 1970-1972 BRUNO SAMMARTINO vs GEORGE STEELE-CAGE (07/25/1970; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:21:30) BRUNO SAMMARTINO vs BEPO MONGOL (09/14/1970; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:17:03) BRUNO SAMMARTINO vs BULLDOG BROWER (11/16/1970; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:00:57) GORILLA MONSOON vs CARLOS PEREDES & MIKE CONRAD (11/19/1970; WWWF Washington, DC TV Taping; 00:01:24) BRUNO SAMMARTINO vs IVAN KOLOFF (01/18/1971; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:07:55) GORILLA MONSOON & PEDRO MORALES vs THE MONGOLS (01/18/1971; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:06:04) IVAN KOLOFF vs PEDRO MORALES (02/08/1971; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:14:58) PEDRO MORALES vs BLACKJACK MULLIGAN (03/15/1971; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:23:42) KARL GOTCH & RENE GOULET vs RUGGED RUSSIANS (01/31/1972; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:26:00) CHIEF JAY STRONGBOW & SONNY KING vs KING CURTIS & BARON MIKEL SCICLUNA (05/22/1972; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:05:37) PEDRO MORALES vs GEORGE STEELE (07/01/1972; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:09:08)

UK Classics #6 (01:26:23) Matches from August-November 1972 BOB KIRKWOOD vs HONEYBOY ZIMBA (10/03/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:19:58) BRIAN MAXINE vs REG TROOD (10/03/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:24:05) LES KELLETT vs JOHNNY CZESLAW (11/16/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:22:20) SID COOPER vs DAVE BARBIE (11/16/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:20:00)

UK Classics #5 (01:38:26) Matches from April-July 1972 MARTY JONES & DANE CURTIS vs COLIN JOYNSON & STEVE HAGGERTY (04/19/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:23:10) TIBOR SZAKACS vs JACK FALLON (04/19/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:24:14) TUG WILSON vs JOHN CASANOVA (04/19/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:22:04) JIM BREAKS vs STEVE BEST (06/28/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:28:58)

European Wrestling #74 (01:12:10) Matches from July-October 1972 BOB KIRKWOOD vs HONEYBOY ZIMBA (10/03/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:19:58) BRIAN MAXINE vs REG TROOD (10/03/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:24:05) GUY RENAULT vs MICHEL SAULNIER (10/09/1972; French Catch; 00:28:07)

European Wrestling #73 (02:27:23) Matches from May-July 1972 KAMIKAZE vs NICOLAS PRIORE (05/22/1972; French Catch; 00:18:07) BILLY CATANZARO & PIERRE BERNAERT vs MARCEL MONTREAL & VASILIOS MANTOPOULOS (06/05/1972; French Catch; 00:36:45) JIM BREAKS vs STEVE BEST (06/28/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:28:58) GILBERT LEDUC & JACKY CORN vs DER HENKER (07/03/1972; French Catch; 00:28:07) RENE BEN CHEMOUL & WALTER BORDES vs PIERRE LAGACHE & GRELHA LA PORTUGAIS (07/17/1972; French Catch; 00:35:26)

American Classics #59 (03:24:14) Matches from February-August 1972 COWBOY BOB KELLY vs RIP TYLER (02/25/1972; Gulf Coast; 00:10:54) BLACKJACK MULLIGAN & BLACKJACK LANZA vs DICK THE BRUISER & THE CRUSHER (03/04/1972; AWA House Chicago, IL; 00:04:50) PAT PATTERSON vs ROCKY JOHNSON (03/04/1972; Big Time San Francisco; 00:02:05) FRANKIE LAINE vs RICKY HUNTER (03/15/1972; BTW San Francisco, CA; 00:00:43) PAT PATTERSON vs RAY STEVENS (03/15/1972; Big Time San Francisco; 00:03:04) JACK BRISCO & BOB ROOP vs BOBBY SHANE & BEARCAT WRIGHT (03/21/1972; CWF House Tampa, FL; 00:09:44) PAT PATTERSON vs RAY STEVENS (04/15/1972; Big Time San Francisco; 00:03:10) JOHNNY VALENTINE vs BEARCAT WRIGHT (04/18/1972; CWF House Ft. Myers, FL; 00:08:56) JACK BRISCO & RAUL MATA vs BOBBY SHANE & BEARCAT WRIGHT (05/03/1972; CWF House Miami, FL; 00:09:48) JACK BRISCO & JERRY BRISCO vs PAUL JONES & DORY FUNK SR. (05/09/1972; CWF House Tampa, FL; 00:07:13) PAT PATTERSON vs RAY STEVENS (05/13/1972; Big Time San Francisco; 00:02:07) CHIEF JAY STRONGBOW & SONNY KING vs KING CURTIS & BARON MIKEL SCICLUNA (05/22/1972; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:05:37) MIKE GRAHAM vs BOBBY SHANE (05/23/1972; CWF House Tampa, FL; 00:04:57) THE CRUSHER vs BLACKJACK LANZA (05/23/1972; WWA Indianapolis, IN; 00:10:59) PAT PATTERSON vs LARS ANDERSON (06/03/1972; Big Time San Francisco; 00:06:22) JOHNNY WEAVER & ARGENTINA APOLLO & ART NEILSON vs BRUTE BERNARD & HOMER O’DELL & MISSOURI MAULER (06/07/1972; JCP House Raleigh, NC; 00:00:55) BLACKJACK MULLIGAN & BLACKJACK LANZA & DUSTY RHODES vs DICK THE BRUISER & THE CRUSHER & SUNNY RED CLOUD (06/10/1972; AWA House Chicago, IL; 00:05:25) BOBBY HEENAN vs BILLY RED CLOUD-CHAIN (06/24/1972; AWA House Chicago, IL; 00:04:24) PEDRO MORALES vs GEORGE STEELE (07/01/1972; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:09:08) PAT PATTERSON vs ERNIE LADD (07/08/1972; Big Time San Francisco; 00:03:28) BARON VON RASCHKE & BLACKJACK LANZA & RAY STEVENS vs SAILOR ART THOMAS & DICK THE BRUISER & THE CRUSHER (07/15/1972; WWA Indianapolis, IN; 00:12:45) OLE ANDERSON & GENE ANDERSON & ART NEILSON vs RIP HAWK & SWEDE HANSON & GARY HART (07/17/1972; JCP House Fayetteville, NC; 00:06:27) DORY FUNK JR. vs BUDDY COLT (07/27/1972; CWF House Tampa, FL; 00:06:28) GREAT MEPHISTO vs BEAUREGARD (07/29/1972; BTW San Francisco, CA; 00:00:36) LARS ANDERSON & PAUL DEMARCO & BILL MILLER vs HAYSTACKS CALHOUN & PEPPER GOMEZ & ROCKY JOHNSON (07/29/1972; Big Time San Francisco; 00:02:20) TIO TAYLOR & RENO TUUFULI vs RIPPER COLLINS & HARU SASAKI (07/29/1972; BTW San Francisco, CA; 00:02:10) GORILLA MONSOON vs GEORGE STEELE (07/29/1972; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:03:20) PEDRO MORALES vs THE SPOILER (07/29/1972; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:03:16) THE CRUSHER vs BLACKJACK MULLIGAN & BOBBY HEENAN (08/05/1972; WWA Indianapolis, IN; 00:11:06) DORY FUNK JR. vs JACK BRISCO (08/07/1972; CWF House Orlando, FL; 00:08:14) JACKIE FARGO vs AL GREENE-NO DQ, HAIR (08/08/1972; NWA Mid-America; Mid South Coliseum; 00:33:43)

History of Pro Wrestling #80 (04:08:48) Matches from August-November 1972 JACK BRISCO & RAUL MATA vs BOBBY SHANE & BEARCAT WRIGHT (08/12/1972; CWF House St. Petersburg, FL; 00:02:35) TIM WOODS vs ZODIAC (08/12/1972; CWF House St. Petersburg, FL; 00:02:56) PAUL JONES vs TIM WOODS (08/12/1972; CWF House St. Petersburg, FL; 00:06:59) Fists and karate were legal in this one! Unfortunately, the clip doesn’t really give us much of the rulebreaking brawling you’d hope for. TIM WOODS vs PAUL JONES (08/15/1972; CWF House, Tampa, FL; 00:04:27) BUDDY COLT vs TIM GEOHAGEN (08/29/1972; CWF House Tampa, FL; 00:02:19) Good clip, with HOFer Danny McShain as the referee. BARON VON RASCHKE vs BILLY RED CLOUD-CHAIN (09/01/1972; AWA House Chicago, IL; 00:05:19) DICK THE BRUISER & THE CRUSHER vs BLACKJACK MULLIGAN & BLACKJACK LANZA (09/01/1972; AWA House Chicago, IL; 00:07:29) VERNE GAGNE vs IVAN KOLOFF (09/01/1972; AWA House Chicago, IL; 00:04:08) THE SHEIK vs SEIJI SAKAGUCHI (09/07/1972; JWA Summer Big Series II; 00:13:39) This is the final JWA match in circulation. The originally planned match for this slot was for Baba to face Kintaro Oki. It was widely believed that Oki was going to shoot on Baba to take back the titles in the ring that Baba held at the time of his departure from the JWA, but Baba returned from a tour of the U.S. to voluntarily relinquish the belts before this show, and Sheik-Sakaguchi was a last-minute replacement on the card. BLACKJACK MULLIGAN & BLACKJACK LANZA & BOBBY HEENAN vs DICK THE BRUISER & THE CRUSHER & LITTLE CRUSHER (09/16/1972; WWA Indianapolis, IN; 00:18:44) DUSTY RHODES vs MOOSE CHOLAK (09/19/1972; AWA House Chicago, IL; 00:03:24) SHOHEI BABA vs THE SHEIK (09/20/1972; BTW Detroit, MI; 00:13:33) PAT PATTERSON & ROCKY JOHNSON vs LARS ANDERSON & PAUL DEMARCO (09/23/1972; BTW San Francisco, CA; 00:06:10) SHOHEI BABA vs FRANK HOLTZ (09/29/1972; Spectator Sports; Pittsburgh, PA; 00:11:32) BRUNO SAMMARTINO & DOMINIC DENUCCI vs DON FARGO & JOHNNY FARGO (09/29/1972; Spectator Sports; Pittsburgh, PA; 00:01:33) Baba-Sheik, this and the above match were used to fill time on NTV when All Japan Pro Wrestling had formed with a secured television deal, but had nothing to broadcast yet. BOB KIRKWOOD vs HONEYBOY ZIMBA (10/03/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:19:58) BRIAN MAXINE vs REG TROOD (10/03/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:24:05) NICK BOCKWINKEL & RAY STEVENS vs ANDRE THE GIANT & DR. X (10/07/1972; AWA House Chicago, IL; 00:04:34) GUY RENAULT vs MICHEL SAULNIER (10/09/1972; French Catch; 00:28:07) PAT PATTERSON & ROCKY JOHNSON vs LARS ANDERSON & PAUL DEMARCO (10/14/1972; Big Time San Francisco; 00:01:07) RAY STEVENS vs KINJI SHIBUYA (10/14/1972; Big Time San Francisco; 00:02:05) ANDRE THE GIANT vs BARON VON RASCHKE (10/23/1972; WWA Indianapolis, IN; 00:09:58) TIM WOODS vs BUDDY COLT (10/31/1972; CWF House Tampa, FL; 00:01:53) CURTIS IAUKEA & DENNIS MCCORD vs BULLDOG BROWER & TIGER JEET SINGH (11/1972; WCW Australia; 00:03:00) MARK LEWIN & CURTIS IAUKEA & SPIROS ARION vs KURT VON STEIGER & KARL VON STEIGER & GARY HART (11/03/1972; WCW Australia; 00:04:16) BRUTE BERNARD vs SPIROS ARION (11/04/1972; WCW Australia; 00:02:47) LES KELLETT vs JOHNNY CZESLAW (11/16/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:22:20) Jetlag describes the match as “funny, fascinating and impossibly British all at once” in the above-linked review. SID COOPER vs DAVE BARBIE (11/16/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:20:00) Special thanks to Cameren Lee for helping with background information on the Japanese matches.

History of Pro Wrestling #79 (03:09:25) Matches from June-August 1972 BOBBY HEENAN vs BILLY RED CLOUD-CHAIN (06/24/1972; AWA House Chicago, IL; 00:04:24) JIM BREAKS vs STEVE BEST (06/28/1972; Joint Promotions; 00:28:58) PEDRO MORALES vs GEORGE STEELE (07/01/1972; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:09:08) GILBERT LEDUC & JACKY CORN vs DER HENKER (07/03/1972; French Catch; 00:28:07) Segunda Caida review of the match. BUDDY ROBERTS & JERRY BROWN vs EDOUARD CARPENTIER & YVON ROBERT JR. (07/05/1972; Grand Prix Montreal; 00:05:24) PAT PATTERSON vs ERNIE LADD (07/08/1972; Big Time San Francisco; 00:03:28) RENE BEN CHEMOUL & WALTER BORDES vs PIERRE LAGACHE & GRELHA LA PORTUGAIS (07/17/1972; French Catch; 00:35:26) OLE ANDERSON & GENE ANDERSON & ART NEILSON vs RIP HAWK & SWEDE HANSON & GARY HART (07/17/1972; JCP House Fayetteville, NC; 00:06:27) DORY FUNK JR. vs BUDDY COLT (07/27/1972; CWF House Tampa, FL; 00:06:28) From ohtani’s jacket at Pro Wrestling Only: “These two match up well. I discovered that it's actually Mark Nulty on commentary with Buddy. I absolutely love Buddy's commentary, especially his explanation for this taped thumb. Great selling and offense from Dory. The crowd was molten too. Buddy has a beautiful counter to the spinning toe-hold. Buddy thinks he's won the title at the end but doesn't see the leg on the ropes. Very good footage.” GREAT MEPHISTO vs BEAUREGARD (07/29/1972; BTW San Francisco, CA; 00:00:36) LARS ANDERSON & PAUL DEMARCO & BILL MILLER vs HAYSTACKS CALHOUN & PEPPER GOMEZ & ROCKY JOHNSON (07/29/1972; Big Time San Francisco; 00:02:20) TIO TAYLOR & RENO TUUFULI vs RIPPER COLLINS & HARU SASAKI (07/29/1972; BTW San Francisco, CA; 00:02:10) GORILLA MONSOON vs GEORGE STEELE (07/29/1972; WWWF MSG; New York, NY; 00:03:20) THE CRUSHER vs BLACKJACK MULLIGAN & BOBBY HEENAN (08/05/1972; WWA Indianapolis, IN; 00:11:06) DORY FUNK JR. vs JACK BRISCO (08/07/1972; CWF House Orlando, FL; 00:08:14) Dory defends the NWA title. Most of their matchups that we have look a lot better than this one, but there’s still good wrestling here. JACKIE FARGO vs AL GREENE-NO DQ, HAIR (08/08/1972; NWA Mid-America; Mid South Coliseum; 00:33:43) This match drew the first-ever sellout at Mid South Coliseum. The feud was so hot that Nashville ran outdoor shows for a while. Heel Al Greene defended the U.S. Junior Heavyweight Title on behalf of his brother Don, and if Greene lost, he, his brother and their manager would all have to leave town. One of Fargo’s biggest programs.

Also, to be clear, I absolutely think (know) casual fans exist. We see it when something like Punk-Moxley does 300,000 more viewers than usual. It's just that I find people project a lot of things on to that ideal that just have to do with their own tastes.

There was a time when long matches were a turnoff. For the last decade (at least), most long matches have built an audience with time. Danielson's second match with Garcia was an extremely rare exception to that, which I blame on the two-out-of-three falls stipulation telegraphing that it would go long, which is a different issue. But long matches growing the audience is a big part of the reason Daniel Bryan got the chance to be Daniel Bryan in WWE. It shows that a lot of "WWE Brain" types haven't paid any attention to what works since the late 90s and just assume that literally everything since then hasn't worked because your choices are either Attitude Era-level business or death, I guess.

To me, what's annoying is the criticism that the companies aren't treated the same by fans and reporters. Of course they aren't, and why would they be? One company has a history of lying and doing awful things. The other is far from perfect, but hasn't approached nearly that level of bad behavior. So if people want a consistent standard, here it is -- both WWE and AEW are judged based on their track records.

1968 MOTYCs (02:53:47) Matches from 1968 JACKY CORN vs PIERRE ROINET (01/01/1968; French Catch; 00:14:50) JEAN FERRE vs FRANZ VAN BUYTEN (01/20/1968; French Catch; 00:16:42) SHOHEI BABA vs DICK THE BRUISER (02/28/1968; JWA; 00:18:01) SHOHEI BABA vs BOBO BRAZIL (06/27/1968; JWA Golden Series; 00:24:01) SHOHEI BABA vs BRUNO SAMMARTINO (08/07/1968; JWA Summer Series I; 00:27:09) L’ANGE BLANC vs SCARFACE LA BALEFRE (12/07/1968; French Catch; 00:36:23) DANIEL BOUCARD vs GEORGES COHEN (12/26/1968; French Catch; 00:32:41)