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    If only he could talk

    My original concept of the topic was to discuss people who IF they were better promo's would be considered a higher tier wrestler or even going to GOAT levels. I used rough examples of Jeff Hardy, Booker T et al. just as examples. I think you have raised good points about if everyone was like The Rock or Lawler then the Rock's and Lawler's of this world wouldn't stand out. I think Jeff Hardy in tags didn't need to be a great promo, originally they had Hayes for that. But as a single, I think people would of looked at him in higher regarding if he was a better promo. That's just my opinion however.
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    If only he could talk

    The attitude of using someone who, until they aren't effective in that role is good in a perfect world, but as you are aware, bookers, writers, whomever try and squeeze as much life out of a character until the character is a negative. Especially someone who was as HOT as Goldberg, in the 90's there was no way they would of just let him move down the card or not renew his contract. I think you are looking at it idealistically.
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    If only he could talk

    I disagree completely. This would only work really until his first defeat, after that his character would really need to be more than a one dimensional killer. Characters need to grow and evolve. You couldn't have Goldberg doing 2 minute squashes forever and not expect it to grow stale.
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    Emotional connection

    Is this because over the last 10 years or so we have been taught to think wins and loses don't matter? No, but it may be because over the past 10 years or so I almost exclusively watch old wrestling and don't care about the current product at all. For me "emotional connection" is more about just giving a shit about what's happening. Being invested in the characters. Getting involved in the story of the match. Feeling a tinge of excitement at the high spots, which these days might be writing "holy shit that was awesome" in my notes. Wrestling makes me laugh a lot. A LOT. I love it's absurd little self-contained universe. And that's why I love posting here because guys like Loss just get it. Wrestling has only made me cry twice: once with Flair's fairytale win over Vader at Starrcade 93, and once when Macho Man died. Crying, I am not sure....I think potentially the RAW is OWEN is a time I welled up due to the sheer raw (no pun intended) emotion that was being conveyed. I was GUTTED when Savage passed away and was in a right pisser of a mood the day I found out. I don't know how I am going to react when Flair pops his clogs in many years to come. I always am a little bit shocked/upset when a favourite of mine passes away though.
  5. Dory Funk Jr. and Terry Funk, combined age 141 years, are wrestling for All Japan on the 27th. I can only think of Moolah and Mae Young who have a bigger combined age. Any others who are 140+ years combined?
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    Emotional connection

    Is this because over the last 10 years or so we have been taught to think wins and loses don't matter?
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    Shoots Review and Preview thread

    Enjoyed the Matt Striker shoot so far (about 2/3's in) Matt does some nice subtle impressions of people that are quite accurate. I could not be arsed with dealing with a nugget like JBL hazing though, if it was me, I'd lose my tempter and go Joey Styles on him. Matt came across as a humble guy during the interview. One I'd recommend. Nothing earth shattering is discussed as I can imagine he want's to try and keep the door well and truly open with the WWE.
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    If only he could talk

    He was a killer, agreed, and him not talking added to his aura. However, post Starrcade '98 he needed to be less one dimensional, and I feel if he was a great talker he wouldn't of fallen from grace and become just another guy as quickly. I agree he needed to be less one dimensional, and I enjoyed him more than way, but him being a poor promo (which he wasn't, he actually got pretty solid) isn't the reason why he became another guy. Idiotic booking is what killed his aura. I think if he was a stronger promo over in WWE his impact MAY of been greater.
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    If only he could talk

    He was a killer, agreed, and him not talking added to his aura. However, post Starrcade '98 he needed to be less one dimensional, and I feel if he was a great talker he wouldn't of fallen from grace and become just another guy as quickly.
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    If only he could talk

    I'm sorry? They are not that good, and it's not because of poor mic skills. I never said those listed above are good, I said "They might be workers whom are over with the crowd, who put on great matches, with great charisma but just don't cut it when it comes to interviews and on camera speaking." And then I listed people to me who fall into this category. This topic and the examples were made to evoke a discussion, that's all.
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    If only he could talk

    I think Bobby Eaton is someone who if could talk, as well as say, some of Arn Anderson's ilk would be a sure fire HoF'er before his induction in 2009. Most likely his career post MX would of been entirely different if was an awesome promo.
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    If only he could talk

    I think that Steamboat whilst not always memorable on the mic isn't someone who I'd consider couldn't talk. I'd say as English most likely wasn't Martel's first language so I think it would be a little harsh to lump him in with others.
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    If only he could talk

    To me, Luger's promos sometimes seemed forced and he seemed uncomfortable and susceptible to tripping over his words. To me I'd never consider classing him as excellent on promos.
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    Serious Greatest of All Time Candidates

    I'd actually make a claim to say Austin drew more than Bret internationally but WWE was on fire come 1998. Mayhem in Manchester - Manchester, England - Nynex Arena - April 4, 1998 (18,514; sell out) WWF @ Obenhausen, Germany - Arena - April 5, 1998 WWF @ Berlin, Germany - Deutschlandhalle - April 6, 1998 (8,000) WWF @ Beyereuth, Germany - Oberfrankenhalle - April 7, 1998(12,000) WWF @ Hamburg, Germany - Sporthalle - April 8, 1998 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - GM Place - July 4, 1998 (12,746) WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Skydome - August 1, 1998 (14,688) WWF @ Montreal, Quebec - Molson Centre - August 2, 1998 (11,209) WWF @ Calgary, Alberta - Saddledome - September 11, 1998 (14,017) WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Skydome - February 8, 1999 (41,432; 38,661 paid) WWF @ Oberhausen, Germany - Arena - April 1, 1999 (7,048) WWF @ Sheffield, England - Arena - April 2, 1999 (12,744; sell out) WWF @ Newcastle, England - Telewest Arena - April 3, 1999 (10,699; sell out) WWF @ Birmingham, England - NEC Arena - April 4, 1999 (12,236; sell out) WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - GM Place - April 16, 1999 (14,599) WWF @ Calgary, Alberta - Saddledome - April 17, 1999 (15,419; sell out) WWF @ Edmonton, Alberta - Skyreach Centre - April 18, 1999 (16,874; sell out) WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Skydome - April 23, 1999 (17,402) WWF @ Toronto, Ontario - Skydome - July 24, 1999 (15,220)
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    Serious Greatest of All Time Candidates

    I think a thread sharing memories of VHS releases would be fun.
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    Serious Greatest of All Time Candidates

    I think that Bret Hart was over HUGE in Germany at least, arguably as much as Bulldog was in the UK but for a far longer period. I'd say that Bret Hart was easily the biggest draw in Europe between '92-'97 overall.
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    Serious Greatest of All Time Candidates

    You have to remember, in 1992 Bulldog was all over the tabloids with interviews and articles about him in The Sun & Mirror amongst others promoting Summerslam. I think you are underestimating to what extent Bulldog was over to the UK audience.
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    Serious Greatest of All Time Candidates

    Bret was indeed over huge in 1992, but then again so were Savage and Warrior. I'd say babyface wise, in the UK, it would of been Bulldog -> Bret/Warrior (Tied) -> Savage at the time.
  19. Austin agreeing to take the $1000 because "I need the money". Never a truer word has been spoken by someone working in Memphis.
  20. I am not sure if mentioning Jr was effective or not, as how many of the audience would remember him? When was the last time he was on NWA/WCW TV at all? I did however enjoy the exchanges between Funk and Sullivan as they are two of my favourite talkers.
  21. They played Martel's music at the end when Beefcake was prancing around, I'm assuming this was on purpose as he was strutting around pretending to be Martel I *think*.
  22. King Cobra may be the worst promo of all time. This dragged for me at first with Lawler's rambling story that I felt was being used to kill time but I thought it was good that Cobra didn't come over as weak for not accepting the No DQ challenge issued by Lawler.
  23. The rare heel managers summit. Loved this kind of thing because it happened so rarely during this time with heels disagreeing with each other and such. Bobby Heenan's facials at the start were great; it was like he didn't want to be their as he thought he was above EVERYONE, the crowd, Brother Love and the other managers.
  24. What a great heel Lawler was during this period, and this showed it perfectly. Lol moment for me with the insult.
  25. What a great, innovative finish! Match was a slow starter in my opinion but definitely picked up at the end. Enjoyed this one.
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