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    Barry Windham

    I think 1992 has always been viewed generally very positively for Windham.
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    Dusty Rhodes

    I think if we had a real picture of the Texas Outlaws he'd be a lock. BUt we don't and he ends up on the borderline for me. The Superstar Graham matches are so good that I feel like I almost have to at least think about him for that alone since Graham was such a dogshit worker. The best promo ever. Top 5 announcer too.
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    Stock Rising/Stock Falling

    I always loved the 2000-01 Low-Ki vs Homicide matches. How do those look 20 years later? I feel like I watched a couple during 2016 and they were pretty awesome still.
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    Stock Rising/Stock Falling

    Right but Fujiwara was a case of people looking backwards 10-20 years at someone they had never seen before. Kingston is a contemporary people were able to watch in real time. There are some Kingston matches on the old Goodhelmet MOTYC comps but "he's one of the best of the last 15 years" isn't something I'd seen until the last couple of years. And this isn't like a criticism of Kingston or the people propping him up or an attempt to push back. Its merely an observation. Hell based on what everyone says about him, he sounds like my kinda guy as far as modern wrestlers go.
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    Stock Rising/Stock Falling

    I mean its not really about Segunda Caida. Phil said in the thread that he thinks Kingston was best in the world for the past 5 years. That's all post GWE 2016. What I find interesting are comments like "he was great for 15 years" or "top 10 US workers of the 2010s" when there was all of 3 posts about Kingston the last time around.
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    Stock Rising/Stock Falling

    Its interesting after such little discussion of him leading up to 2016 that several people are saying he's been one of the best around for 15 years. It reminds me of the AJ STyles discussions during the 2016 project.
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    Stock Rising/Stock Falling

    You're welcome, Rah. Fuerza is steadily climbing the more I watch. I had him penciled into my top 50 but he's even better than I thought. All of the classic 80s babyfaces: Steamboat, Martel, Tito are falling. I've got room for Ricky Morton towards the top end of the list for 80s babyfaces. But I think those other dudes are gonna take a tumble.
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    Dusty Rhodes

    Dusty snuck on the last list at 92. Not much discussion about him. What do people think about Dusty as a candidate this time around?
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    Sgt Slaughter Deep Dive

    I keep thinking about Sgt. Slaughter and GWE so fuck it, I'm gonna watch every Sarge match I can find. Bob Slaughter vs Higo Hamaguchi (IWE - 1/6/75) I had no idea Slaughter's hair game was so good. Holy shit. Clipped match but you can tell its nothing special. SargeBob looks like a pretty basic young worker. Bob Slaughter vs Mighty Inoue (IWE - 1/7/75) Shorter clips than the Higo match, but it looks a lot better. Sarge takes some really nice bumps that were missing from the previous match and he hits a killer backbreaker. Would've liked a complete version of this at some point. BOb Remus & BObby Duncam vs Jumbo Tsuruta & Anton Geesik (AJPW - 7/25/75) Sarge & Duncam both look solid but this is forgettable and you just wish it was a singles match between Jumbo and either opponent. Jumbo blades. Sarge takes a nice bump to the outside. Geesik looks terrible. Sarge & Jumbo have nice chemistry but you want to see more. Bob Slaughter vs Ted Dibiase 6/16/78 This is just brief silent clips but both guys like sharp. I wish we had this full match because it looks fun. Ted looks like a great firey babyface and Slaughter bring some killer offense (Gutbuster, Backbreaker, Atomic Drop) to go along with his bumping. He's already doing the spot into the post. Super Destroyer Mark II vs Dino Bravo (AWA - 10/28/79) Super fun little studio match. Bravo looks solid. Sarge is bumping big and bringing some good offense. Nice match. Super Destroyer Mark II vs Greg Gagne (AWA - 11/79) Two minute video that is the last 40 seconds of a match and then a brief post match. Slaughter still manages to bust out his killer clothesline and a fucking tombstone piledriver in 1979! Greg Gagne invents modern wrestling by kicking out of the tombstone and winning the match 10 seconds later. Super Destroyer Mark II vs Greg Gagne (AWA - 5/1/80) This has the different date but it is definitely just the 11/79 video with 10 extra minutes! So that's awesome! Dunno which date is correct. Anyway, this is a really fun old school match. Slaughter looks really good with some killer offense and his bumping and selling rules by now. Sarge whips out some awesome finger breaking submissions too. Heenan is at ringside so we get a couple of classic Heenan moments but not so much that he overwhelms the match. Super Destroyer Mark II vs Nick Bockwinkel (AWA - 9/7/80) Last 5ish minutes of what looks like it was probably an awesome match. Crowd is super into it. Work looks excellent. Would love to see the full match. Sgt Slaughter vs Billy Berger (WWWF - 8/2/80) This is the 2nd match ever where Slaughter is working as Sgt Slaughter and he is fucking amazing. He comes walks out with the hat and whistle, chest puffed out and tries to physically intimidate this jobber and is screaming in his face. It rules. He's got this shit down literally from day 2 at worst. Obviously this is a WWWF TV squash match and Sarge just looks awesome. Just killer offense. Fantastic looking strikes, gutbusters, a killer lariat. Sarge looks like a beast on offense and the character work is perfect. Sgt Slaughter vs Paul Figueroa (WWWF - 8/30/80) Another squash match with Slaughter looking like a monster on offense. Fun interview after the fact where Sarge's history (Drill instructor), his present (full time dedicated pro-wrestler) and his goals (champion of everything) are laid out. Sgt Slaughter vs Steve King (WWWF - 9/13/80) Another squash with Slaughter just destroying a jobber. He lets King get some offense in and just no-sells it as opposed to the previous matches where his opponents got no offense at all. Another fun promo after the fact. Slaughter quotes Aretha Franklin. Sgt Slaughter vs Bob Backlund (WWWF - 10/20/80) Here we fucking go. Sarge in an MSG main event. This is a classic Slaughter performance. He bumps like a champ. He can get up and down and do rapid fire bumps and then he also takes enormous match changing bumps as well. And he bleeds like a champ too. Just a great old school matchup. Sarge looks absolutely world class here. Sgt Slaughter vs Angelo Gomez (WWWF - 11/22/80) Good lord, Slaughter just destroys this poor bastard. He hits a 3x repeating backbreaker, a back suplex, a dropkick, a regular piledriver and a tombstone piledriver as well as the cobra clutch. This was a fucking squash! Sgt Slaughter vs Steve King (WWWF - 12/6/80) I really appreciate how Slaughter switches things up in these squash matches instead of doing the same thing over and over. This time he's a lot more low-tech. The triple backbreakers are replaced by triple kitchen sink knees and gut busters. Slaughter also does the spot where he grabs a headlock and runs the guy's head into the top turnbuckle. King kinda blows the bump on Slaughter's sweet falling clothesline so it looks more like a bulldog. Slaughter does some classic heelish shit too instead of just dominating him. He does a back rake and at one point counters an irish whip attempt with an eye poke. Cool that he's clearly put some thought in these jobber matches and does different stuff each time instead of the same old same old. Sgt Slaughter vs Dominic Denucci (WWWF - 12/13/80) Pretty basic match. Sarge looks good. Denucci has a lot of energy but feels pretty limited. Sgt Slaughter vs Rick McGraw (WWWF - 12/27/80) This is cool. Slaughter does something different in every match I've seen so far. This time he threw some headbutts, bit McGraw on the face and did a top rope elbow drop! This is very much not a squash. Its pretty classically structured. McGraw "controls" early using his speed & agility to sort of evade and frustrate Slaughter. He's definitely not hurting the much bigger & higher on the totem pole Slaughter. But he controls the early portion. Eventually Sarge catches him and punishes him. Since McGraw's work was more embarrassing than devastating, Sarge is pissed. We get less moves and more punches and kicks than usual. McGraw gets a brief hopeful comeback but Sarge cuts if off and kills him with a back suplex. Good TV match. Worth seeing. Sgt Slaughter vs Jim Duggan (WWWF - 1/3/81) WHAT IS THIS NOW! Yes, its THAT Duggan. He's got short hair here and is a handsome young man! Early on Slaughter is jawing with an ENORMOUS fan and Vince & Patterson are playing up that the fan called Slaughter "Gomer Pyle." Who is this guy? He's huge and the interactions are too perfect for them to be legit. Fun squash. A lot happening here with the fan & young Duggan being the opponent. Cool stuff. Sgt Slaughter vs Bob Backlund (WWWF - 1/10/81) This is a stone cold classic, top 10 WWF MOTDC. You don't need a review. Just go watch it. Its from Philly. Sgt Slaughter vs John Callahan (WWWF - 1/31/81) This Callahan goober kicks the bottom rope as the Grand Wizard is exiting the ring with all of Sarge's stuff so Slaughter mauls him and beats him in 90seconds.
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    Sgt Slaughter Deep Dive

    There's another universe where Vince screwed Shawn, Bret stayed and Owen ended up with Stephanie.
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    'Stone Cold' Steve Austin

    care to elaborate? I don't think anyone would argue Austin was better after the Blondes because of Pillman's injuries. But early 90s Brian Pillman was frigging awesome.
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    'Stone Cold' Steve Austin

    Low Ki is a great call for 2001
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    'Stone Cold' Steve Austin

    Mexico was loaded in 2001.
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    'Stone Cold' Steve Austin

    I think there's a difference between "Guy who could carry a promotion in the future" and "Best guy right now." Austin & Dustin being the two guys to carry WCW into the future was something you'd hear about pre-Hogan WCW but I've never seen someone say Austin was the best wrestler in the US in 93/94. Its an interesting opinion. I've certainly never thought it but it makes me wanna watch some WCW stuff.
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    'Stone Cold' Steve Austin

    Off the top of my head I feel like my 93-99 year by year best in the US would be something like: 93 - Vader, Doink, Terry Funk, Sabu, Bret, Waltman 94- Bret, Foley, Sabu, Terry Funk, Owen, Waltman, Regal, Dustin, Vader 95- Bret, Eddy Guerrero, kinda blanking on 95 right now but I feel good about Bret there and Austin only works half the year anyway. 96 - Rey all the Way! Would also listen to arguments for Shawn, Psicosis, Foley, Sabu, Scorpio, Austin and Benoit but I'm not watching those matches. 97 - I'd give the nod to Bret because of the neck break. I also think Funk has a hell of a year until he retires. He's a jerk and we all hate him but this is probably my favorite HBK year as a singles performer. Eddy Guerrero is another strong pick. I think this is the first time Austin is really in the conversation. 98 - Wouldn't disagree with Austin as the pick Jan - June 99 - I haven't watched Jan-June 1999 WWF since Jan-June 1999. So probably AUstin? I guess Foley would be the big competition in WWF. Other than that Tajiri.
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    'Stone Cold' Steve Austin

    Would you say that's the case for individual years or are you strictly speaking the totality?
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    'Stone Cold' Steve Austin

    Spring of 92? Damn. That's early.
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    'Stone Cold' Steve Austin

    So like 94-99?
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    'Stone Cold' Steve Austin

    What do you think was Austin's best year? What is the closest Austin ever got to being the "Best" wrestler in the world?
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    Matt Borne vs Ted Dibiase

    3 people have voted and Matt Borne is winning. Love yall. Watch this AMAZING promo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3z3y_2kFtQ
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    Matt Borne vs Ted Dibiase

    I said it. Dibiase is a great textbook, paint by the numbers and within the lines wrestler. A great athlete you could teach to do anything and then he could go out and replicate it. But I see him as about as inside the box as it gets. He's not a real critical deep thinker and you really need a thinking on their feet and outside of the box sort of performer to pull off something like Evil Doink. I think if you erase the Evil Doink run its much easier to say Dibiase is better and I wouldn't argue for Borne in those circumstances. Its what he was able to show as Doink that pushes him to another level. Dibiase gets all the fill in the blanks shit right on the test but his essays are missing something special even if they're technically correct. Borne leaves some of the blanks empty but then writes this profound paper from a unique POV that nobody else could really replicate and you ask him to read it aloud in front of the class and everyone goes "WHOA HE WROTE THAT?"
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    Volk Han vs Kiyoshi Tamura

    Dav'oh, it might be fair to say that Tamura & Han were the greatest pro-wrestlers of their era because they were able to truly modernize what the early greats were doing. The Tamura vs Kohsaka 6/27/98 masterpiece takes place a day before Mankind vs Undertaker Hell in a Cell. What is closer to Thesz vs Gagne? You should watch some early UWF1.0 and see what they're up to. Its really fun. Sayama is doing flying headbutts and tombstones. It reminded me a little of BattlArts. Its very much pro-wrestling.
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    Volk Han vs Kiyoshi Tamura

    I'm voting for Tamura, Volk Han and Andy Kaufman. They were all great pro wrestlers.
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    Volk Han vs Kiyoshi Tamura

    Top 10!
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    Shane McMahon, Edge, Randy Orton, HHH, Seth Rollins, The Fiend, Kane, Dolph Ziggler
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