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  1. DylanZero

    Carl Greco vs. Kazuchika Okada

    I mainly just made this thread to give Carl Greco a thread against someone pretty random, and lo and behold it turned out to be Okada. But actually think this could be fun as it's someone who is nearly the antithesis of him and what made him great and yet also is objectively far more popular. What say you, my friends?
  2. 1997 was probably the period where you could take almost any random BattlARTS match and it would be the #1 best match to happen in 2020 for months. Carl Greco was a barefoot machine here, lord in heaven what a great grappler he was. This is all about Ono trying to out-slick the beast. Some absolutely fantastic grappling and holds here, and Ono throwing strikes feels like he's trying to equalize the situation in order to not get steamrolled. Great nearfalls here, including an absolutely awesome Octopus Stretch that Ono sunk in like he wanted the tap out more than anything else in his life. This was a second match on the card and went eleven minutes, you get the sense if they had gone for a slightly more grandiose finishing stretch with some big strike exchanges and near KO this would've moved into serious MOTYC territory, but for that type of second 11 minute match on the card this was damn great.
  3. Welp, here's two matches I didn't even know existed on tape until last week. They didn't make the Best of BattlARTS comp – which is some serious bollocks if you ask me, because both these were excellent and immediately skyrocketed towards the top of my list of favourite Greco matches. The first match was a full shootstyle main event and as cool as you imagine it to be. They had the BattlARTS roster (and even Dieseul Berto) watching from ringside. (...) Even after watching so much Greco footage, I was surprised with all the cool shit Greco came up with in these two matches. I've said it before that Greco brings the best out of his opponents, but it was striking that Usuda and Ishikawa never looked better on the mat in 1996 than opposite Greco here. Another thing was how brutal Carl could get: the Ishikawa singles obviously had a lot of pride involved, and maybe Ishikawa's cockiness is what lead Carl to angrily waffle him with shotais and eventually rattle his brain with a series of kicks to the skull, but he did it the next night aswell when the beef was between Ishikawa and Ikeda... maybe it's cause he was fighting Ishikawa, maybe he toned down the striking later on to focus on his submission work, maybe April of 1996 just wasn't Ishikawa's month... one thing wasn't out of the ordinary: both matches had Carl ensnaring people like a python. Regardless, 4/13 was an intense contest with a crazy finish, and 4/14 another top notch BattlARTS tag that told an excellent story, and both matches delivered both brutality and crazy mat stuff in spades as you want. Highly recommended stuff
  4. Welp, here's two matches I didn't even know existed on tape until last week. They didn't make the Best of BattlARTS comp – which is some serious bollocks if you ask me, because both these were excellent and immediately skyrocketed towards the top of my list of favourite Greco matches. (...)The second match also had a cool atmosphere as it took place in a hotel with folks watching from fancy dining tables. The tag had a cool layout too, as Ishikawa and Ikeda avoided eachother for the first half of the match, allowing for lots of good matwork involving Greco early on, before all hell broke lose in the second half. Even after watching so much Greco footage, I was surprised with all the cool shit Greco came up with in these two matches. I've said it before that Greco brings the best out of his opponents, but it was striking that Usuda and Ishikawa never looked better on the mat in 1996 than opposite Greco here. Another thing was how brutal Carl could get: the Ishikawa singles obviously had a lot of pride involved, and maybe Ishikawa's cockiness is what lead Carl to angrily waffle him with shotais and eventually rattle his brain with a series of kicks to the skull, but he did it the next night aswell when the beef was between Ishikawa and Ikeda... maybe it's cause he was fighting Ishikawa, maybe he toned down the striking later on to focus on his submission work, maybe April of 1996 just wasn't Ishikawa's month... one thing wasn't out of the ordinary: both matches had Carl ensnaring people like a python. Regardless, 4/13 was an intense contest with a crazy finish, and 4/14 another top notch BattlARTS tag that told an excellent story, and both matches delivered both brutality and crazy mat stuff in spades as you want. Highly recommended stuff
  5. Jetlag

    Carl Greco

    I've threatened to do this before, so here it is. A thread dedicated to the stepbrother of Joe and Dean Malenko, the man who came from the street and became someone who made his living hitting the mat hard and tossing the fuck out of japanese guys. I like any guy who wrestles like that and Greco is such a fascinating worker by being both extremely polished and some kind of measuring stick for his opponents too. He has thrived in obscurity, so his career merits studying. Note: this thread will not be about discovering 5* classics or psychological masterpieces. That is for other, lesser wrestlers. Carl Greco vs. Super Rider (BattlARTS 4/17/2001) This is a B-Rules match, which means a max of 5 rope breaks allowed and no strikes. Tailor made match for Greco, and this is a really good showcase for what he was doing around this time period: essentially being a terrifying opponent for the hopeless undercarders BattlARTS was using then. Rider (a Sayama trained indy guy) is a good opponent for Greco: he is competent, agile and not afraid, thus this is loaded with the kind of fast, tight, twist-you-to-a-pretzel-style shootstyle matwork I've come to enjoy so much. Very brief match, but they get in and out of some positions and holds I've never seen in any other match. The result is never in doubt, but Super Rider manages to improve himself here as he graduates from Opening Match Guy to Guy who passed the Greco Test. Smokes a lot of 20 minute epics for me. Carl Greco & Katsumi Usuda vs. Yuki Ishikawa & Masaaki Mochizuki (BattlARTS 12/5/1999) This is a finale of some tag tournament. This had the typical BattlARTS tag formula, meaning a messy mix of matwork, suplexes and face-shattering stiff blows building to an increasingly dramatic finish. Of all 4 guys, it is Greco who adds a bit of more typical tag psychology to the bout: coming with a bandaged leg, being the weak link in his team. This isn't melodramatic like that 1993 tag, but his performance was a nice blend of being both weakened and very dangerous. It was different from his usual straight-up wrestling approach and produced some excellent exchanges with Ishikawa. At one point, Greco even did a rolling tag after a miscommunication between Ishikawa and Mochi. Another moment was Carl flying into the scene with a reckless Kung Fu-esque kick to save his partner. Greco was not the star of the match, as they cleared the stage for Usuda and Mochizuki to run through a series of spectacular (and sometimes contrived) shootstyle/lucharesu counters. I didn't care much for Mochizuki and his get-this-shit-in approach, but I felt Usuda carried him nicely enough to make this another addition to the cannon of great BattlARTS tags. Call me anti-workrate or whatever, but I preferred the tight and hard fought nature of what Ishikawa and Greco were doing to Mochizuki's spottiness.
  6. Greco and Ikeda looked really good against eachother in the previous tag. So here's them in a singles match! For such a short match, this was GREAT. Ikeda is a guy who is comfortably „very good“ on the match, but Greco just guzzles him here. Greco has ridiculously high end technique. High end slick ground grappling. High end headscissor work. A bloody high end sidewalk slam! Greco really was a master at taking the most simple things and turning them into something amazing. Ikeda is all outmatched bull here and he has some great brief spurts of pissed off bull rushes. This was like the best 9 minute Velocity match ever.
  7. Hey look it's Viktor Krueger! For those of you who don't know: Krueger was this big austrian guy who for some reason showed up in BattlARTS and looked like a behemoth next to all those tiny half-juniors. Even more obscure: Krueger got BattlARTS a TV deal in GERMANY!! It was only on mini regional TV, and like a couple minutes of a highlight show once per month or something, but it counts! Maybe it's because I haven't seen this stuff in years, but I was surprised by how much I enjoyed this. Krueger didn't really have a clue, but he was highly efficient as he was willing to get to the mat and clobber it out aswell as bring a little personality. He and Greco made a very good „you're fucked if you have to face these guys“ gaijin team. One is twice your size, and the other is a mat genius, and you really can't beat either of them. Greco was a barefooted fiend here, and when Greco goes barefoot into a match he really is at his best. Lots of top tier mat stuff involving Greco vs. Ishikawa and Greco vs. Otsuka, in which the BattlARTs guys really look better than they have most of the time. The natives were naturally good at „outmatched but fighting like a pitbull regardless“, and you get the sense everyone here gave it their all.
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