Hawkeye12 Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 I thought his MSG match vs Rick Martel in December 1989 was pretty good, it's on the Wrestlefest '90 video on the Network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 Not really something you can credit to Beefcake, but I thought the Jimmy Hart face turn angle where he protected Beefcake's face from Money Inc. was incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 How are the Beefcake matches with DDP from around '96? I remember the feud, but I don't recall any details of their matches or how they turned out. Page was getting good around the time - plus they had Kimberly to work added shtick at ringside - so I figured I'd ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 How are the Beefcake matches with DDP from around '96? I remember the feud, but I don't recall any details of their matches or how they turned out. Page was getting good around the time - plus they had Kimberly to work added shtick at ringside - so I figured I'd ask. Beefcake was the Booty Man. It was fucking awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 Not gonna lie, I was a huge "Barber" fan when I was like 10! Â Looking back, sure Beefcake was mediocre at best in the ring, but like C.S. said, he was really, really fucking over. Â It's kind of sad that the rest of his career turned him into a joke, because in 89/90 he was probably the third biggest babyface in the United States behind Hogan and The Warrior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 Absolutely. Its not at all a small thing to be the legitimate number three babyface in 1989 WWF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 Also a huge Brutus fan back in the day. Everyone here is right. Dude was super-over. I used to take my grandmas hedge clippers and threaten to cut my sisters hair with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 It's kind of sad that the rest of his career turned him into a joke, because in 89/90 he was probably the third biggest babyface in the United States behind Hogan and The Warrior. Â That's WCW for you. Â But even if he wasn't a "friend of Hogan," he probably wasn't long for the WWF anyway - he would've stuck out like a sore thumb in the "New Generation" era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 I feel like Beefcake had become what I would call an average worker with bouts of slightly above average in 1989. He really wasn't that bad in the ring. Limited obviously but there are plenty of limited guys out there with far better reputations. Now, post injury he was the absolute shits but that was a pretty brutal injury he suffered. Â Virgil was okay too. Guy did his job and did it pretty well. Â If Beefcake haden't gotten injured Im guessing he takes the IC belt at Summerslam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 If Beefcake haden't gotten injured Im guessing he takes the IC belt at Summerslam. Â I'm not sure he would because that would have meant three babyfaces champions at the same time, which is something I noticed the WWF didn't really do back then. I always just figured it was Perfect getting his win back from WrestleMania, plus what would Beefcake have done as champion? Defended it against Dino Bravo? Done the same angle Tornado did, with Perfect winning it back and reverted to the DiBiase feud? Â I would have guessed at Perfect keeping it for the Boss Man feud, but since that was supposed to be Boss Man vs. Rude, it kinda leaves Perfect without a direction as champion either, unless he was supposed to go with Tornado later on and they just bumped it up because of the Beefcake injury. Â Â But even if he wasn't a "friend of Hogan," he probably wasn't long for the WWF anyway - he would've stuck out like a sore thumb in the "New Generation" era. Â It's pretty interesting to look at how the landscape had changed in just a few years in the early 90s, and how Beefcake's career would have been pretty much done by the 90s if we imagine he wasn't a bosom buddy of Hogan. Where would he have gone post-WWF? I can imagine him having some value to the AWA or World Class or wherever a couple of years earlier, but by 93/94 if he'd not gone to WCW? Â I can't see ECW wanting him, Smoky doesn't seem like a good fit, and I doubt Japan would have been clamouring for him outside of maybe a tour as somebody's tag team partner or something. I don't really seem him going to AAA to work with Konnan a'la Jake Roberts either, so you're looking at Herb's UWF tapings, *maybe* late era Global tapings (but probably not since they were down to just locals), and going around the horn with Hercules on NWA anniversary shows, NWF-level indies, NWA anniversary shows, and stuff like those WWS tours or Germany or Australia or wherever. Â Which is funny to think about really, because he might not have made as much money as working for WCW, but he probably wouldn't have as bad a reputation as he does these days since he wouldn't have been stinking up the ring on national TV far past his prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 Â If Beefcake haden't gotten injured Im guessing he takes the IC belt at Summerslam. Â I'm not sure he would because that would have meant three babyfaces champions at the same time, which is something I noticed the WWF didn't really do back then. I always just figured it was Perfect getting his win back from WrestleMania, plus what would Beefcake have done as champion? Defended it against Dino Bravo? Done the same angle Tornado did, with Perfect winning it back and reverted to the DiBiase feud? Â I would have guessed at Perfect keeping it for the Boss Man feud, but since that was supposed to be Boss Man vs. Rude, it kinda leaves Perfect without a direction as champion either, unless he was supposed to go with Tornado later on and they just bumped it up because of the Beefcake injury. Â Look at Summerslam 1990 I mean Warrior, Tornado & Harts were champs when the night ended all faces. Â Was Kerry only brought in because they needed a replacement? I know he beat Perfect at Mania so its not crazy to think he would have won the rematch too, I don't see Perfect retaining as WWE want to make it exciting unless it still happens the same way ie Dibiase screws Beefcake out of the title leading to Beefcake vs Dibiase somewhere. But back then Beefer didnt really lose that many matches on TV if any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRH Posted May 13, 2018 Report Share Posted May 13, 2018 Â But even if he wasn't a "friend of Hogan," he probably wasn't long for the WWF anyway - he would've stuck out like a sore thumb in the "New Generation" era. Â It's pretty interesting to look at how the landscape had changed in just a few years in the early 90s, and how Beefcake's career would have been pretty much done by the 90s if we imagine he wasn't a bosom buddy of Hogan. Where would he have gone post-WWF? I can imagine him having some value to the AWA or World Class or wherever a couple of years earlier, but by 93/94 if he'd not gone to WCW? Â I can't see ECW wanting him, Smoky doesn't seem like a good fit, and I doubt Japan would have been clamouring for him outside of maybe a tour as somebody's tag team partner or something. I don't really seem him going to AAA to work with Konnan a'la Jake Roberts either, so you're looking at Herb's UWF tapings, *maybe* late era Global tapings (but probably not since they were down to just locals), and going around the horn with Hercules on NWA anniversary shows, NWF-level indies, NWA anniversary shows, and stuff like those WWS tours or Germany or Australia or wherever. Â Which is funny to think about really, because he might not have made as much money as working for WCW, but he probably wouldn't have as bad a reputation as he does these days since he wouldn't have been stinking up the ring on national TV far past his prime. Beefcake could have worked in the early days of ECW (the 1993-94 period, where they had guys like Snuka, Santana, and Mr. Hughes), but by the time they get "extreme", he'd be gone. I could see him working in Memphis too, the whole haircut schtick would get over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 As an ex-subscriber I was recently offered 3 months for one dollar, anyone else offered this? I don't give a shit about current WWE but seemed too good to turn down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 As an ex-subscriber I was recently offered 3 months for one dollar, anyone else offered this? I don't give a shit about current WWE but seemed too good to turn down. According to reports they have tried to spike their subscription numbers quite a lot offering similar deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 They dropped the first 15 of what is supposed to be a 70+ episode Mid South batch today, which was a nice surprise. Looks like 1983 is getting filled out first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornette's racket Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 Mid south is being added at the moment according to the wwe network updates twitter account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 I just binged on the new Mid South, and I know it's not breaking news to say Bill Watts was great at booking episodic TV but even when the wrestling wasn't always the greatest you still felt compelled to watch the next episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickH Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 Hidden Gems to be updated next Thursday, 24th May. Â http://www.wwenetworknews.com/2018/05/18/wwe-hidden-gems-on-wwe-network-being-updated-next-week/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 I love they flat out talk about Hart vs. Magee like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 Â As an ex-subscriber I was recently offered 3 months for one dollar, anyone else offered this? I don't give a shit about current WWE but seemed too good to turn down. According to reports they have tried to spike their subscription numbers quite a lot offering similar deals. Â Â I never get why people unsubscribe I then sure if you hate modern day WWE they always have a ton of classic footage worth watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRH Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 Â Â As an ex-subscriber I was recently offered 3 months for one dollar, anyone else offered this? I don't give a shit about current WWE but seemed too good to turn down. According to reports they have tried to spike their subscription numbers quite a lot offering similar deals. Â Â I never get why people unsubscribe I then sure if you hate modern day WWE they always have a ton of classic footage worth watching. Â It's not just be due to disliking the product, as they may unsubscribe due to financial reasons or just not having enough time to watch the content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 I'm considering unsubscribing just to get one of these deals. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 I unsubscribed when Vince donated 6 million to a politician while guys are having to use Gofundme for surgeries. While truthfully I was also having issues with the service. I was getting error messages on classic content a lot and it never seemed to happen with original programming. They were also taking forever uploading stuff they digitized years ago. They gave me three months free last year to entice me to come back. Which I took the offer and canceled. But it does seem like they have at least addressed my service issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 Â Â As an ex-subscriber I was recently offered 3 months for one dollar, anyone else offered this? I don't give a shit about current WWE but seemed too good to turn down. According to reports they have tried to spike their subscription numbers quite a lot offering similar deals. Â Â I never get why people unsubscribe I then sure if you hate modern day WWE they always have a ton of classic footage worth watching. Â Â Because you can find all of the footage for free elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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