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Best Arn Anderson Match

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Watched some early 1990's WCW today and Arn's great performance in the 1/26 Flair/AA/Sting vs Sawyer/Muta/Dragon Master and the 2/18 Flair/AA vs RnR had me thinking about the definitive Arn match. For tags, a top candidate is the 11/19/91 Arn/Larry vs. Steamboat/Rhodes from the Clash.

 

But what about singles?

 

Tully had the Magnum I Quit and Garvin WWW matches. Flair has the Steamboat, Windham, etc. to choose from. Windham had the Too Cold Scorpio Clash match. But did Arn have that one really great singles match?

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He has the Regal match from Super Brawl, and that Dustin Rhodes match from Saturday Night 1/4/92 sticks out for me.

 

Yeah, but even these aren't "great" in the traditional sense. I think he's similar to Regal in that he wasn't a big match worker.

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If the "traditional sense" of great is that the match main evented or was a spotlight match on a ppv, then Arn had no great matches. But I think that's a pretty worthless way of thinking about wrestling. If OJ means something else by "traditional sense" I'd like to know what.

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If the "traditional sense" of great is that the match main evented or was a spotlight match on a ppv, then Arn had no great matches. But I think that's a pretty worthless way of thinking about wrestling. If OJ means something else by "traditional sense" I'd like to know what.

 

Tim was asking about matches comparable to Tully vs. Magnum or Flair vs. Steamboat. A TV match with Dustin and an underrated pay-per-view match against Regal aren't in the same ballpark. The question wasn't did Arn have a great singles match, but did he have that "one really great singles match?" which I presume is a match that's good enough to be "canonised" for want of a better word.

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Would the Fall Brawl '95 match against Flair count as a canonizable "spotlight match?" I know there's some dispute over its quality, judging by the discussions in the '95 Yearbook, but I think it might be the best intersection you'll find of AA's ring work, his history with the Horsemen, and higher-profile storytelling.

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He's got really fun stuff vs Manny in 85, and the Eaton series in 91 and a couple of Windom matches I love, including the 91 WCW Pro Chicago match. I imagine there's some good stuff in his 95 TV Title run too on the syndi shows.

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I can't imagine anyone who posts here seeing that match and not loving it. It's just that no one's seen it. It should have made a Schneider comp or something at some point. I'm pretty sure I pushed for it on the yearbook but it didn't make the cut for one reason or another. I might have pushed too late or there wasn't a good enough copy.

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What's the date of this Eaton/Anderson match on PRO?

 

I've started watching all WCW tv from 91 and the best thing thru Jan and early Feb is the TV Title with Zenk, Taylor, Eaton and Anderson.

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Holy Cow that crowd is HOT for babyface Arn! The pops he gets for powering out of Muta's Cattle Mutilation, for the reverse Atomic Drops, and for the Spinebuster. Wow.

 

Very hot finish. Totally enjoyable match from start to finish. Really liked this a lot. Soilid basic pro wrestling. More entertaining, for me, than watching dudes doing back-flips through tables (thought that can also be entertaining if it's done well). 

 

Muta maybe could have sold the arm a little, if I'm gonna nit-pick.

 

Jim Ross is a just openly racist on commentary. That part was pretty weird. 

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On 10/21/2019 at 7:41 AM, gordi said:

Holy Cow that crowd is HOT for babyface Arn! The pops he gets for powering out of Muta's Cattle Mutilation, for the reverse Atomic Drops, and for the Spinebuster. Wow.

 

Very hot finish. Totally enjoyable match from start to finish. Really liked this a lot. Soilid basic pro wrestling. More entertaining, for me, than watching dudes doing back-flips through tables (thought that can also be entertaining if it's done well). 

 

Muta maybe could have sold the arm a little, if I'm gonna nit-pick.

 

Jim Ross is a just openly racist on commentary. That part was pretty weird. 

 

I love how both men took their time to establish face vs heel (for us in the future, too!) and then the story of Muta's crew threatening at ringside to stack the odds against Arn.

Solid in-ring work and psychology. Fans on every impact move from Arm.

Muta mixes his flips in (but in a safe way) which adds to his character.

Did you see how it was not necessary for them to spam finishing moves like WWE or counter them multiple times like NJPW?

The finishing sequence was amazing:

Arn did the miracle kickout when Buzz Sawyer jumped on him. Had me fooled.

Muta softens him up with a jumping kick, backbreaker, and then sets up for the moonsault (the most spectacular move at the time).

Arn puts his knees up.

DDT.

1-2-3

Super pop.

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On 6/2/2014 at 9:01 PM, Matt D said:

He's got really fun stuff vs Manny in 85, and the Eaton series in 91 and a couple of Windom matches I love, including the 91 WCW Pro Chicago match. I imagine there's some good stuff in his 95 TV Title run too on the syndi shows.

 

What is the Date on the Pro match v Barry?

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On 12/9/2019 at 12:35 AM, Franchise said:

 

What is the Date on the Pro match v Barry?

Barry Windham vs Arn Anderson 1991/11/02: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg6VYmhzkVU

 

Some others online:

For TV title: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuYwzFwHF9Y

For NWA Title: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x16t8ijs

 

For Western States Title: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urPckzggBco

 

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On today's The Arn Show, Arn said his worst match was against The Renegade. He implied Renegade did not know any basics and had no idea about wrestling lingo or structure, might as well have been a civilian. The match was supposed to be 15+ minutes but Arn asked for it to be short. They gave him 10 min. I checked, and Renegade only had around 35 career matches going in the match. 

Anyway, the fans actually were into this match and Arn carried him. Arn had to call for rest holds to fill time and stall a bit. However, the match itself was not as bad as he makes it sound, considering what Arn had to deal with. So if that was Arn's worst match, the axiom holds true: there is no such thing as bad Arn Anderson match.

BTW, WCW was always bad at this.. They were old school and forced muscle heads to work long matches (Road Warriors, Sting, Luger, Nikita, etc.) as opposed to booking quick squashes like Ole did with the Road Warriors and Vince did with Ultimate Warrior. Goldberg finally broke that mold.

 

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That was pretty damned close to being a bad AA match. The Renegade really was the drizzling shits in the ring. 

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On 1/8/2020 at 12:54 AM, gordi said:

That was pretty damned close to being a bad AA match. The Renegade really was the drizzling shits in the ring. 

The fans didn't seem to mind. If that's Arn's worst (which he says it is) he still carried him as best as humanly possible with no "boring" chants, which were prevalent in that time frame more than today.

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