Bird Crusher Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 So that disgusting Invader thing was a worked shoot? Fire Russo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Fuck everybody, I love watching Invader spew as the Raging Bull kicks ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpchicago23 Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 A regular blade job wouldn't have been enough anyways so I think it was awesome and totally necessary. Avenging a murder means pints of blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Would have been terrible if he couldn't get himself to cough up all that blood in time for the angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymeFuture Posted June 24, 2014 Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 Granted its been years since I've seen the match, but Taker gets an honourable mention for his gusher in the Cell match with Brock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 I actually just watched Taker/Brock in the Cell last night as I make my way through post-Attitude PPVs on the Network. That was an absolute all timer. Taker rolls off of Brock after a near fall and the blood quickly drips from his head onto Lesnar's chest. Just a major gusher. Other than Eddy/JBL, how many other matches since then in WWE have gotten that much color? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Pretty sure the aforementioned Flair/Foley altercation at Vengeance '06 qualifies. Flair bleeds like an animal hide that's been skinned alive during the fallout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 I actually just watched Taker/Brock in the Cell last night as I make my way through post-Attitude PPVs on the Network. That was an absolute all timer. Taker rolls off of Brock after a near fall and the blood quickly drips from his head onto Lesnar's chest. Just a major gusher. Other than Eddy/JBL, how many other matches since then in WWE have gotten that much color? It's been a while since I've seen it, but I remember Vince bleeding badly in his Survivor Series match with Undertaker back in 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted June 25, 2014 Report Share Posted June 25, 2014 Curiosity got the better of me. Just put in the DVD, indeed he bleeds buckets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymeFuture Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 I always saw a great comedy in that Survivor Series, where Shawn does an awesome blade job and sells his ass off in a great elimination match, brilliantly worked, then Vince saunters to the ring, takes a single punch, and blood just pours out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 I forgot just how good that elimination match was (I ended up watching the whole PPV). A lot of interesting personalities in that one, and brilliant performances from Shawn, Orton and Jericho. I wrote a piece about Orton in microscope and watching this match backs up my comments: there was a time when Orton was really, really fresh... sadly, it was over a decade ago. From the time he is walking to the ring checking out Keibler's ass behind Steiners back, to the gut punch stolen victory, he was class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 After seeing 70s AWA stuff last night, Bobby Heenan has to be in contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxnj Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 In terms of sheer sickness, I don't anything beats Nick Gage's injury at Tournament of Death 2009. IIRC the guy actually died from the blood loss and had to get resuscitated at the hospital. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRLVuYSggyY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 That is not pro wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted June 26, 2014 Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 I actually just watched Taker/Brock in the Cell last night as I make my way through post-Attitude PPVs on the Network. That was an absolute all timer. Taker rolls off of Brock after a near fall and the blood quickly drips from his head onto Lesnar's chest. Just a major gusher. Other than Eddy/JBL, how many other matches since then in WWE have gotten that much color? Don't think it's been mentioned yet, but Cena/JBL I Quit at Judgment Day 05 with a 1 year later callback to JBL/Eddie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 That is not pro wrestling. It very much is. You can not like it, but it's still pro wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Wholeheartedly disagree. That's a borderline snuff film with a hope things don't end badly. A knife fight that happens to take place on an elevated square canvas is also not pro wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 If it's presented in a ring, in a pro wrestling promotion, with two guys doing choreographed moves to a predetermined finish, using pro wrestling training, it's a pro wrestling match. I can get someone not liking it, or even not wanting to ever watch it, or it not being their type of pro wrestling. But I can't get someone saying it's not pro wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpchicago23 Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I agree that to me that stuff isn't pro wrestling. You can pay two meth heads 10 bucks each to do the same thing and you can't call it wrestling. I'd say half of those guys aren't trained and it being coreographed doesn't justify it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxnj Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Couldn't you say that about a lot of the other blade jobs getting mentioned? The Eddie JD 2004 one, for example, was basically just the result of a botched blade job following an unprofessionally hard chair shot, and it had a pretty similar outcome to the one I mentioned with Eddie passing out backstage and going to the hospital. You can say that there's a lot of dramatic elements present in the JD 2004 match that you don't see in a deathmatch, but that seems like it would be different thing from what the OP was asking about in just the straight-up most brutal blade jobs ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted June 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Couldn't you say that about a lot of the other blade jobs getting mentioned? The Eddie JD 2004 one, for example, was basically just the result of a botched blade job following an unprofessionally hard chair shot, and it had a pretty similar outcome to the one I mentioned with Eddie passing out backstage and going to the hospital. You can say that there's a lot of dramatic elements present in the JD 2004 match that you don't see in a deathmatch, but that seems like it would be different thing from what the OP was asking about in just the straight-up most brutal blade jobs ever. I never said this was solely about blade jobs, rather color on a whole and how the brutality of some notable instances of color, added or took away from their matches or angles. A recent'ish one back in 2013 which was pretty brutal was when Brock Lesnar collided with a ring hook and gashed his skull in the mini brawl with Triple H. In my opinion, despite that being accidental, the presence of blood streaming down Brock's head as he and Triple H battered each other at the ringside, sold some much needed intensity in his feud (leading into Wrestlemania) with Triple H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Well yeah. Sure. But in cases like that, it's ONE element that happens to add to the finished product. It's an ingredient IN the recipe. Not the end result. Unfortunately, with some of these barnyard death match things, it's the other way around. Bloodshed is no longer the means to ENHANCE excitement. It's the only thing they're gathered to see. That's when it crosses a line. Them boys ain't selling 'rasslin. They're selling a stabbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 By the way, that 5:00 minute match between Beulah and Fonzie is more entertaining than anything I've seen on Raw in months. Try to let that sink in for a second.Everyone needs to hear Heyman's story about that match on Jericho's latest podcast. It's fucking awesome and an amazing example of how wrestling can be the weirdest business. Basically, Fonzie had been caught up as part of the Tod Gordon led attempted talent steal to WCW. Paul had told Fonzie that the match was his send off from the company. Fonzie would lose to Beulah and then he was done with the company. But after the match since Fonzie tapped a gusher and could have "died" to put over the top valet, Paul told him that he wasn't fired anymore. And Paul says that Gonzie knew exactly what he was doing when he hit that gusher and put over Beulah, knowing that there was no way Paul could fire a guy who almost bled to death for his show cause he'd look like an asshole. Totally putting over what a wiley veteran of the business who learned it in Florida with Dusty, Eddie Graham ,and Sullivan would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 Add my name to the people who don't think the above video is pro wrestling. It's like if I set up a ring in my garden and cut my dick off - it's absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintthecrippler Posted June 28, 2014 Report Share Posted June 28, 2014 I am not as anti-deathmatch wrestling as others on this board, but I do want to point out that that Nick Gage clip is technically backyard wrestling, as that show was held at a clearing at the house of DJ Hyde's grandparents. That said, if they started taping Superstars and Main Event at one of Vince's mansions - or better yet - on his yacht, I would watch it religiously every week. Back to the topic at hand, I would definitely recommend a chapter on wrestlers wearing white to make their blade job Stan out even more. Was thinking the Rockers wearing white tights in that match against Rose and Somers. I think there was an angle in Memphis where Tommy Rich got bloodied up while wearing a white tuxedo as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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