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If you are a voter and you want to make your ballot public please do so here.

 

Here is my final ballot

 

I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES
Johnny "Mr. Wrestling II" Walker

I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES
Junkyard Dog

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES
Akira Taue

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES
Perro Aguayo Jr.
Cien Caras
Blue Panther
Huracan Ramirez
El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro
Villano III

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES
Abstain

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES
Carlos Colon

NON-WRESTLERS
Dave Brown
Gary Hart
Jimmy Hart
Gene Okerlund
Don Owen

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I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES [Abstain]


I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES

Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan

Junkyard Dog

Ivan Koloff


I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES [Abstain]


I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES

Brazo de Oro & Brazo de Plata & El Brazo

Cien Caras

Karloff Lagarde

El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro

Villano III


I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES [Abstain]


I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES

Carlos Colon

Mark Lewin


NON-WRESTLERS

Dave Brown

Jimmy Hart

Jerry Jarrett

Gene Okerluind

Don Owen

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I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES


Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan

Ivan Koloff


I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES


Volk Han

Mike & Ben Sharpe


I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES [Abstain]

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES [Abstain]

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES [Abstain]

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES [Abstain]


NON-WRESTLERS


Blank Vote

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I'm abstaining from the historical performers era category.
I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES: X
Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan
Ivan Koloff
Junkyard Dog
I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES: X
I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES: X
Cien Caras
Karloff Lagarde
El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro
Villano III
I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES: X
Big Daddy
Jackie Pallo
I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES: X
Carlos Colon
NON-WRESTLERS: X
Dave Brown
Gary Hart
Jimmy Hart
Jerry Jarrett
Gene Okerlund
Candidate I think should be put on the ballot: Yoshiaki Fujiwara.

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I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES

Brock Lesnar

Junkyard Dog

Sgt. Slaughter

Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan

Sting

Ivan Koloff

Edge

 

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES

Carlos Colon

Domenic DeNucci

Mark Lewin

 

NON-WRESTLERS

Jimmy Hart

Gorilla Monsoon

Gene Okerluind

Jerry Jarrett

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I'm abstaining from the historical performers era category.
I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES: X
Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan
Ivan Koloff
Junkyard Dog
I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES: X
I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES: X
Cien Caras
Karloff Lagarde
El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro

Villano III
I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES: X
Big Daddy
Jackie Pallo
I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES: X
Carlos Colon
NON-WRESTLERS: X
Dave Brown
Gary Hart
Jimmy Hart
Jerry Jarrett
Gene Okerlund
Candidate I think should be put on the ballot: Yoshiaki Fujiwara.

 

 

I think that the only reason Fujiwara isn't in the Hall of Fame at this point is that most people think that he was already inducted.

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X I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES

 

X I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES

Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan

Junkyard Dog

Edge

Ivan Koloff

 

X I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES

Jun Akiyama

Volk Han

Shinsuke Nakamura

Mike & Ben Sharpe

Akira Taue

 

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES

 

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES

 

X I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES

Carlos Colon

 

XNON-WRESTLERS

Jim Crockett Jr.

Jimmy Hart

Jerry Jarrett

Gene Okerluind

Don Owen

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I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES


Enrique Torres



I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES


Junkyard Dog

Ivan Koloff



I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES


Akira Taue



I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES


Cien Caras

Karloff Lagarde

Blue Panther

El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro

Villano III


I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES


I abstain


I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES


Carlos Colon



NON-WRESTLERS


Jimmy Hart

Jerry Jarrett

Gene Okerluind

Don Owen

Stanley Weston

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I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES

(abstain)

 

I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES

 

Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan

Junkyard Dog

Ivan Koloff

C.M. Punk

 

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES

 

Mike & Ben Sharpe

Akira Taue

 

 

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES

(abstain)

 

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES

(abstain)

 

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES

 

Carlos Colon

 

NON-WRESTLERS

 

Jim Crockett Sr.

Jerry Jarrett

Don Owen

George Scott

Stanley Weston

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Abstained from Historical, Mexico, Europe

 

U.S./Canada

Daniel Bryan Danielson

 

Japan

Jun Akiyama

 

Misc World category

Carlos Colon

 

Non Wrestler

Jimmy Hart

Jerry Jarrett

Gene Okerlund

Don Owen

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I already posted this in a different thread, but here it goes:

 

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES
Brazo de Oro & Brazo de Plata & El Brazo
Cien Caras
Karloff Lagarde
Blue Panther
Huracan Ramirez
El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro
Villano III

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES
Carlos Colon

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Sorry if this isn't the right thread to ask this.

 

Listening to the new (and awesome as usual) Exile on Badstreet, I'm really interested in learning more about old school lucha. Since there are voters here in the Mexico category on either side of the Huracan Ramirez candidacy I'm wondering if the the people who voted for and against him could talk a bit about him as a candidate. What was he missing for the non-voters? What put him over the top for the voters? So far everyone has voted for Karloff. What separates them as candidates?

 

Thanks!

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Maybe this should be on the HOF thread itself, but I will reply here and let the mods choose whether to move our posts or not.

 

I voted for both but my guess is that the ones that voted for one but not the other did so because they found other candidates to be more important and/or needing the votes. Those on this thread who voted for only one of them have used their 10 votes.

 

I consider both to be on the same level as far as candidacy goes. Legendary stars, both were main eventers and draws for decades but never THE GUY so they suffer from being somewhat overshadowed by contemporaries (Demon and Santo as tecnicos, Mendoza and Guajardo on the rudo side). Huracan is stronger on the historical significance/influence side and a bigger draw. Lagarde was the better worker and the ultimate professional.

 

Both have been somewhat forgotten in time for different reasons. Lagarde retired earlier than Mendoza/Guajardo and doesn't have the promoter career or the legendary family that kept the names alive. Huracan had the big trademark scandal and lost a lot of goodwill with many people when he came clean on his alcoholism and claimed that most major stars of the time were drug addicts and/or alcoholics.

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A Canadian voter who doesn't have an account here had shared his ballot with me. With his permission, here's how he voted:

 

I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES - YES

 

I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES - YES

Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan

Edge

Brock Lesnar

Sgt. Slaughter

Sting

 

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES - YES

Jun Akiyama

Yuji Nagata

Shinsuke Nakamura

 

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES - YES

Perro Aguayo Jr.

Dr. Wagner Jr.

 

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES - NO

 

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES - NO

 

NON-WRESTLERS

Bill Apter

Howard Finkel

Gene Okerlund

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A different voter who had shared their ballot with me (since I actively collected them last year).

 

I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES
Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan

Edge
Brock Lesnar

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES
Perro Aguayo Jr.

L.A. Park

I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES

Big Daddy
Rollerball Mark Rocco

Johnny Saint

NON-WRESTLERS
Howard Finkel

Gene Okerluind

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Lagarde had a better title record history and more key matches at CMLL's big anniversary shows than Ramirez. He was a late cut of mine, but I'll probably vote for him next year.

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A third ballot from another anonymous voter.

 

I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES
Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan
Edge
Brock Lesnar
NON-WRESTLERS
Gene Okerlund
Howard Finkel

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I want to see Chris talk about Sting

 

To be very honest, sometimes I go with pure calculations. Sometimes I go with gut. Everyone on the ballot has a case. It's always a question of whether it's the strongest case among the categories you're going to participate in.

 

I haven't supported Sting before. I thought his relevance in WWE in 2015 was very interesting and honestly that did it for me.

I've listened to Sting supporters. I've listened to Koloff supporters. I've listened to Slaughter supporters. Their arguments convinced me to give their candidate a vote. If they go in, great. If they don't? I won't be upset.

 

Honestly, about the only candidate that I feel strongly about is JYD.

 

Typically, with these things, before I can vote for , I usually have to concede that involves voting for and . So, if my analysis convinced me vote for Edge, then I feel that by the same criteria, wrestlers like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan had to get a vote.

 

However, I'll admit that:

1.) This year, I went with my gut and didn't over-think it.

2.) I think I'm one-and-done with Sting unless he has another high-profile year in WWE.

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It's very hard to see how Sting's WWE run this year significantly impacted business in a positive fashion. Outside of Sting working really hard to have a good match at Night of Champions with Seth Rollins, it was quite a lukewarm affair. Not a disaster, but not a home run either. To me it hammered the nails in the coffin of his candidacy (with the current deep ballot) rather helped it, because WWE booked him like someone they didn't have much faith in.

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