El-P Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Goldust is as much a mainstream US guy as Michaels. (funny how some people just don't understand something super simple) Holy shit, those two pics of Michaels. I'm amazed that Michaels actually gained spots since last time. For all the criticism he gets around here, most of it valid, he still managed to win more than ten spots. I guess all because of a bunch of self-conscious epics at Mania against Cena & Taker. Post 2002 Michaels seems to be some of the most divisive body of work ever, either you love it, either you hate it. Haven't seen all of it, although quite a bit of the big matches, and although I do think there's some to love, much of it isn't worthy of the high praise it gets. Do we need to mention again that the "Sorry, I love you" match with Flair is one of the most ridiculous overacted melodramamatch ever, and a staple of awful modern WWE manufactured "Mania Moments" ? Well, I had Micheals at #78. Does Goldust work in a mainstream company? Yes. Goldust is highly regarded among mainstream fans? No. Claiming this is a ballot where mainstream fans highly influenced it seems silly to me. *facepalm* Did I ever mention that a bunch of hidden mainstream fans had submitted ballots to influence the poll ? I don't think I did. I'm just noticing that guys from the US maintream companies (NWA/JCP // WCW // WWE) are doing better this time around at the expense of more "niche" styles. Which is why I'm calling this list "more conservtaive". *That's all* If that's too hard to understand or if people get rubbed the wrong way about it, too fucking bad. I don't know what else to say, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 So if it has nothing to do with outside voters or criticizing the list, why all the whining and posting it over and over again? It's weird to say it's more conservative when Buddy Rose and Jerry Lawler both make the top 40? There seems to be more luchadors than the previous list too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesie_2015 Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Wrestling is cyclical. All promotions have their periods where they're "hot" and well egarded and times when they are less so. It may well be that Joshi and shoot styleare like that at the moment. Some of the biggest movers are guys for whom footage is far more readily available now than it was in 2006 - especially those who benefitted from the 80's rewatch projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy hats Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 There seems to be more luchadors than the previous list too No thanks to El-P! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concrete1992 Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Fujiwara not in Top 20=Conservative baby voters. Similar feelings for Satanico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMJ Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 That Brock #2 vote needs to be addressed. That's high to put it lightly. What do you recommend we do about it? Expose the voter. I'd just like to hear an argument for why someone ranked Brock Lesnar the #2 greatest wrestler of all-time. I'm curious. I didn't have him at #2, but I had him very high (I believe in my top 5 or 6). Here's my explanation - I voted based on the wrestling I've seen and know. I can imagine the person who had him at 2 is, like me, someone who really only knows WWE and WCW with maybe a smattering of ECW and US indies. When you limit yourself to only those promotions, Lesnar shines pretty brightly. Several great-to-awesome matches in his first run and since his return, including some hidden gems I'd only seen for the first time recently (for example, vs. Test @ KOTR 02'). Really fun to watch and considerably more "legit" than anyone else on the roster even before going to UFC. While I don't see anyone calling him the best wrestler on the planet in 2014 or 2015, I think even with a ridiculously limited schedule he was in the running for best in the US somewhere in that timespan thanks to his work at SummerSlam 2014, the 2015 Rumble title match, and WM31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Three reasons I changed around the reveal schedule. 1) I was tired and busy. 2) I wanted to have a day end with top 25 in tact. 3) I wanted to post HBK followed by Cena on the same day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 4) You wanted to ruin my whole night. Jokes. But wow, that is a hell of a double whammy.Is James Derbyshire present on the board? If not I at least take solace in me being his high voter from regular board people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 At least Cena finished ahead of Shawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luchaundead Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Three reasons I changed around the reveal schedule. 1) I was tired and busy. 2) I wanted to have a day end with top 25 in tact. 3) I wanted to post HBK followed by Cena on the same day! How could HBK finish before Cena? Everyone knows "HE WAS UP ALL NIGHT!!!"" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Cena never gives up though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concrete1992 Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Based on how this list has unraveled, which I probably should have better understood coming in and Parv may have been onto something, I am really interested to see how wrestlers of various genres compare to each other across a range of metrics. I clicked that I considered all genres, which is technically true, but to say I considered all the workers I should for all the genres would not be accurate. Not sure how feasible it would be but to gather metrics on the following would be neat: -Ranking of wrestler for voters who included 3+ [Genre] wrestlers -Average vote for voters who included 3+ [Genre] wrestlers And so on and so forth. Not sure the value it'd provide but I think it would be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKWebb Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 HBK had such a great ability to pull emotions out of the audience. Some people may not enjoy that, but he was great at it. He's so good at getting the shit kicked out of him and having the crowd rally behind him. It's apparent in the 8/30/86 Rockers/Rose and Somers match and the Survivor series match mentioned. He was also awesome as the heel you love seeing getting the shit kicked out of him, seen 10/5/97 vs the Undertaker. His 2008 feud vs Jericho was fantastic. I don't mind the Flair emotional stuff from his last match that annoys others. I feel like at that point in Flair's career they did the best they could to make the match memorable and enjoyable. Anyways, I had him higher, but glad to see him here. I know he doesn't get the most love here, but I enjoy quite a bit of his stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Cena is one name I had zero expectations for where he'd finish. Could've believed a top 10 finish and just as easily believed him slipping out of the top half. I ranked him at #9 so I'm certainly very high on him, but it is interesting to see what kind of support he had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conker8 Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Holy shit, Steve Austin in the Top 30 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Yeah Austin definitely need to go home already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 I love Austin but I am not cool with him finishing above Cena, that looks wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Boricua Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 4) You wanted to ruin my whole night. Jokes. But wow, that is a hell of a double whammy. Is James Derbyshire present on the board? If not I at least take solace in me being his high voter from regular board people. I think he's registered but not yet activated (there's been a JDerbyshire who shows up in yellow font among the active users recently). I think there's probably 4-5 users who have registered because of the GWE project who are waiting to be activated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Remember not to get mad at me, I am just the messenger. Especially with what is to come for the rest of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Haha I can't wait for this shit now. Bring it on. Now that Cena is out I'm numb. Nothing can hurt me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted April 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Haha I can't wait for this shit now. Bring it on. Now that Cena is out I'm numb. Nothing can hurt me. What about now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Boricua Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Haha I can't wait for this shit now. Bring it on. Now that Cena is out I'm numb. Nothing can hurt me. What about now? ?#?#?#!?!??@?@!@#> This is only the third thing on the whole reveal process that has irked me, but man what a gut punch. Santo was my number 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Haha I can't wait for this shit now. Bring it on. Now that Cena is out I'm numb. Nothing can hurt me. What about now? I have no problem with Santo over Cena. I had Santo pretty high. Like I said I have more problem with a guy like Austin over Cena, because they are a like for like comparison and Cena is better. EDIT: Bret too. Fuck that off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 The fact anyone is surprised Bret is still in this shocks me. HBK hopefully comes soon though. I'm not shocked by it, I just don't think he belongs anywhere near this high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Haha I can't wait for this shit now. Bring it on. Now that Cena is out I'm numb. Nothing can hurt me. What about now? I have no problem with Santo over Cena. I had Santo pretty high. Like I said I have more problem with a guy like Austin over Cena, because they are a like for like comparison and Cena is better. EDIT: Bret too. Fuck that off. You put Austin really high. You must have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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