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17 hours ago, Charles (Loss) said:

That's a true story. Austin even mentioned it in one of his ECW promos.

That's wild. I honestly had no idea. Thanks though.

Eric kind of presented it like Austin wouldn't want people to know, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's unaware of it being out there also.

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He might not remember that he said it, yeah. But he did pitch Steve-o-mania running wild ... literally. Austin was also the guy who thought being the "sheriff" of RAW was an awesome idea. Some wrestlers aren't meant to be bookers, I suppose.

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49 minutes ago, Charles (Loss) said:

Some wrestlers aren't meant to be bookers, I suppose.

Jim Cornette talked about that very issue recently on one of his podcasts - how some fans assume that just because a Pro Wrestler is one of best workers in the business, or one of the top draws, they should automatically be able to book.  Cornette's pointed out that no matter how good a guy was as a wrestler, it is a big mistake to assume he might have the creative skills needed to do more than that.  If I remember correctly, I think Cornette might have been talking about Hogan's ill-fated run in TNA from 2009-2013 where he was reportedly contributing all sorts of bad ideas, but the point is probably equally apt when it comes to Austin.

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4 minutes ago, The Thread Killer said:

Jim Cornette talked about that very issue recently on one of his podcasts - how some fans assume that just because a Pro Wrestler is one of best workers in the business, or one of the top draws, they should automatically be able to book.  Cornette's pointed out that no matter how good a guy was as a wrestler, it is a big mistake to assume he might have the creative skills needed to do more than that.  If I remember correctly, I think Cornette might have been talking about Hogan's ill-fated run in TNA from 2009-2013 where he was reportedly contributing all sorts of bad ideas, but the point is probably equally apt when it comes to Austin.

That's funny to me because I always thought Austin would be a good guy to have around backstage because he always stresses 'realism' in-ring and whatever. 

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On the final Nitro episode, Bischoff mentions that Vince proposed an angle in WWE where Lance Storm would be revealed as Eric's bastard son.

... The fuck?

It wouldn't be until much later, but Brad Maddox looked the part to play Eric's illegitimate kid.

Anyway, Conrad follows up the Lance Storm talk by praising his work and saying Lance reminds him of Bobby Eaton - a guy that can get a good match out of anybody, anywhere on the card. Yeesh.

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The idea of Lance Storm being good at wrestling has to be almost completely due to him doing a podcast with Alvarez and posting on THE BOARD~! for a decade, doesn’t it?  With a small amount due to him being friends/tag partners with Jericho.

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Yeah, I assume because he was “light.”  I’m more talking about amongst fans when it’s so clear the guy is p terrible.  Similar to how Raven became known as a genius of ring psychology as a result of doing a set of interviews proclaiming himself as such.

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1 hour ago, Zoo Enthusiast said:

The idea of Lance Storm being good at wrestling has to be almost completely due to him doing a podcast with Alvarez and posting on THE BOARD~! for a decade, doesn’t it?  With a small amount due to him being friends/tag partners with Jericho.

Couldn't disagree more, I always found him to be good in the ring, but rarely good outside of the ring, and mostly saddled with poor gimicks. He would have fared much better with a good manager.

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9 hours ago, Zoo Enthusiast said:

Yeah, I assume because he was “light.”  I’m more talking about amongst fans when it’s so clear the guy is p terrible.  Similar to how Raven became known as a genius of ring psychology as a result of doing a set of interviews proclaiming himself as such.

Yeah, Raven, as funny as he can be on shoot interviews before he'd run through all of his material, is the classic example of "buy him for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth".

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I have to disagree. I have always enjoyed Lance Storm as a performer. He was terrible on the microphone but that was never what he based everything on. He was always a solid worker though. I like the Bobby Eaton comparison. I would agree with it. Both were shutter worthy on the stick but legit in the ring. I have always been a Storm mark though. I liked him in ECW and WCW. I didn't care too much about his WWE run though.

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Also a fellow Lance Storm guy here. Always one of my favorites, thought his mic work was rather good in WCW. Raven is another I will always mark for and wish he was used more in his WWE run the way he was everywhere else.

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I agree with the folks vouching for Lance as a Canadian fan I was a huge fan and I disagree he was a terrible worker. Say what you want about his strikes being too light or his interviews  being bland but between the ropes the man was respected by his fellow workers and used as trainer in OVW for a reason. I also got to train with him at his school and work in the ring with him a lot and he is fantastic, he is so athletic and skilled also it's a shame he never did any amateur wrestling or grappling in a shoot sense because his instincts for it, he'd have been interesting to see in that realm and having that added to his pro wrestling work. Some people seem to take offense at his demeanor outside the ring and how vocal he is about his viewpoints regarding what he thinks is right and wrong in wrestling but I've never heard him just knock people or promotions for no reason.

As for Raven also am a huge fan and aside from his childish humor at times and huge ego you can't doubt his mind for the business or say he didn't know what he was talking about. Personal issues aside the man was at one time groomed for a spot in the "inner circle" of the WWF and was producing WWF TV and working in the office. Also even when his WWF run ended so industriously he probably made more money than anyone else besides Terry Funk on the early to mid 2000's indie scene. Raven was a very savvy and smart guy and totally got business, if he didn't with all his baggage and issues he would've never stuck around as long as he did.

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3 hours ago, Matt D said:

I bet you guys are high on Dean Malenko too.

While I'm not as down on him as many hardcore online fans seem to be in recent years compared to the WWE faithful, if anyone could make Lance look like Ricky Morton when it came to facial expressions it's Dean. Also if some people think Lance's punches looked soft then they should check out Dean's forearm strikes, they were some of the worst I've seen a name worker ever throw. But Dean still could do some things on the mat and pull off sequences and highspots that still could wow most any fan today, he's just not the level of what Benoit, Jericho or Guerrero were in hindsight.

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83 Weeks and Cornette's Drive-Thru are pretty much the only podcasts I still listen to regularly, (although I am still working my way through The History of FMW.)  Don't know if anybody around here caught the episode of 83 Weeks from a couple of weeks ago where they covered Eric's time in the AWA?  I thought it was pretty good, and kind of interesting.  Apparently, much to their surprise, that episode has turned out to be one of the most popular topics they've done so far.  It seems to have caught them a bit off guard, since they didn't think many people cared about the AWA, and they assumed that most of the listeners would want to exclusively hear about WCW and the run of shows where WCW beat the WWF in the ratings.

Then this past week, they covered Starrcade 96.  It was a good show, but nothing too noteworthy - except they ended up touching on something which encapsulates why I have come to prefer this show and pretty much stopped listening to Something to Wrestle. Conrad starts by warning Eric he's going to be quoting Meltzer about the state of WCW's attendance, ratings and revenue in 1996 and basically says he knows Eric is going to complain about it.  Eric argues with Conrad, and says he thinks Dave Meltzer does a good job of reporting on and covering the business aspects of WCW, and he trusts that information - he just doesn't like it when Meltzer reports stories when he is getting worked by his sources, or he editorializes.  So Bischoff doesn't end up disagreeing with any of the stuff Conrad reads off from the Observer about WCW's business.

Later, Conrad reads an item from the Observer about WCW being in talks with Tatanka (?!) about coming in.  This time, Eric loses it and yells: "You see? NEVER HAPPENED." He claims that he had never even met or spoken with Tatanka until just recently, when they met at some convention.  Whether it's true or not, Eric claims that the Tatanka story is total bullshit.  Later still, while they are reviewing the actual PPV, Conrad reads Meltzer's review of the show - specifically his criticism of Roddy Piper's pre-match promo.  Once again, Eric gets a bit touchy and claims that of course Piper's promo was rambling and nonsensical - because he's Roddy Piper.  He even discusses how his and Dave Metlzer's opinions of what make a "good match" are different from his, since Meltzer focuses on the match quality and the moves, whereas as the promoter Bischoff was focusing on the "story" and business end.

I don't always agree with Eric Bischoff, but these types of discussions are the reasons I still listen to this show.  Bruce Prichard just dismisses every single thing Meltzer ever says and every story he reports, automatically out of hand.  There isn't any discussion about why, there isn't any justification, it's just "Fuck Meltzer" over and over again.  He refuses to give Meltzer any credit for anything and his repeated Meltzer bashing (along with what appears to be his own growing disinterest in his own show) has made Something to Wrestle almost unbearable at this point. At least Bischoff, gives Meltzer credit for accuracy in covering the business as a reporter, he just disputes his sources and his editorializing. At times he can resort to falling back on "Fuck Meltzer" too, but most times (if pressed) he is a lot more even handed and fair about it, and at least explains and justifies his reasons for having issues with Meltzer and the Observer.

I don't think the enthusiasm factor can be overlooked, either.  Every time I have tried picking up STW again lately, it sounds like Prichard is bored and just going through the motions.  A few weeks back, Conrad and Eric did a show focusing on Eric's first year with WWE.  Eric got so into the discussion and the details of the negotiation and his debut on Raw, that they had to split the episode in two.  You might argue that Eric Bischoff just likes the sound of his own voice and there certainly is some truth to that...but I always laugh when Conrad asks him a question and then Eric takes 15 minutes to answer, going into detail and meandering off into side-topics.  At least he is still enthusiastic about the show and the topics they cover. This show has been going for 10 months now, and in my opinion it has gotten better with time, unlike Prichard's show which has run out of steam.

Although next week they are covering Starrcade 97, and Eric is already warning people that he and Conrad really get into it.  I am betting it will be over the infamous Nick Patrick slow/fast count.

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The AWA episode really was excellent. And I'm in agreement with your other points also. This was essentially his origin story. Everything I enjoyed about the Prichard Houston show back in the day was here. That translated to an engaging, wholly enjoyable listen. It ranks right up there with the Hogan run-in on the Dusty episode as a peak moment for me.

Eric's long-winded responses are absolutely part of his charm, too. I mean, yeah. It can be maddening at times when he loses the thread, but he almost always finds his way back in the end. It's not a case of him dodging bullets or anything. It's just his style. His answers are often packed with insight and information, even if the business-speak could understandably turn some folks off at times.

Bischoff is still a fun storyteller when the situations presents itself though. The Ninja Star Wars sales pitch to Verne and the boys rinsing up in the livestock showers in freezing cold weather are two prime examples of that. Plus I don't know if I've ever heard a more accurate description of Diamond Dallas Page's personality than we got here. I can both appreciate Page for his positivite contributions and still find the dude to be too much at times.

Anyway, this was a good one. Well worth the listen without feeling unnecessarily long or drawn out.

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