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Yeah, but Janela is now squawking to anybody who will listen to him that he wants to be taken seriously as a Pro Wrestler, and not just as a hardcore guy.  Which is a big ask, considering how much he sucks.

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On 11/29/2019 at 4:47 PM, sek69 said:

Kip did an interview revealing Penelope as his new valet, and she made a comment about who needs a Bad Boy when you can have Superbad.  It was clearly a line designed to imply the two would be feuding at some point that it looks like she threw in on her own. 

It was worse than that: The promo was immediately after Janela-Spears, and then they cut to Joey being helped to the back immediately afterwards. There was no way to take it other than a hint at a Janela-Sabian program (as opposed to just closing a loop and explaining why Penelope disappeared after Double or Nothing, which feels like a thing AEW would do) because of the placement.

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11 minutes ago, C.S. said:

I mean, I get why they did it, but does anyone really give a fuck about Joey Janela's love life???

No, but a valet leaving a wrestler to go with another wrestler is pro-wrestling angle 101. This is Missy Hyatt leaving John Tatum for Eddie Gilbert (and now that I think of it, you can definitely make an analogy between Eddie Gilbert and Joey Janela too). I hope they do work that angle at some point. Ford is super fun as a valet who can bump and do cool shit.

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28 minutes ago, El-P said:

(and now that I think of it, you can definitely make an analogy between Eddie Gilbert and Joey Janela too) 

This I gotta hear...

Eddie Gilbert is one of the most underrated and influential wrestlers ever.

Joey Janela is Joey Janela. 

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5 minutes ago, C.S. said:

Eddie Gilbert is one of the most underrated and influential wrestlers ever.

Joey Janela is Joey Janela. 

Eddie Gilbert was a small guy who had a great mind for new ideas. He was instrumental in kicking off garbage wrestling cult matches with Cactus Jack in the Phillie area before ECW, and then was instrumental in putting ECW on the map. He had a super cool act with his hot-as-fuck and great valet Missy Hyatt. He was deemed "too small" by old-school mentality.

Joey Janela is a small guy who has a great mind for new ideas. He's made his name in cult garbage matches and was successful in promoting some of the most crazy and innovative indy shows at Mania week-ends for the last few years. He had a super cool act with his hot-as-fuck and great valet Penelope Fort. He's deemed "too small" by old-school mentality.

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1 hour ago, El-P said:

Eddie Gilbert was a small guy who had a great mind for new ideas. He was instrumental in kicking off garbage wrestling cult matches with Cactus Jack in the Phillie area before ECW, and then was instrumental in putting ECW on the map. He had a super cool act with his hot-as-fuck and great valet Missy Hyatt. He was deemed "too small" by old-school mentality.

Joey Janela is a small guy who has a great mind for new ideas. He's made his name in cult garbage matches and was successful in promoting some of the most crazy and innovative indy shows at Mania week-ends for the last few years. He had a super cool act with his hot-as-fuck and great valet Penelope Fort. He's deemed "too small" by old-school mentality.

I think part of why people are having trouble "clicking" with Janela is that there's a lot of what makes people love the guy that isn't on screen. He's the mind behind Spring Break, the guy that launched PCO and Marko and all sorts of other acts people enjoy - other than All In, it's hard to find an indy show that's mattered more over the last few years. He's a fan in the way a lot of us are (when he wrestled Low Ki, he made him bust out the Ki Krusher because Janela's such an indy wrestling nerd that he was excited to take the move) and so if you connect to him at all, it's really easy to connect deeply.

In much the same way I'm sure a lot of people wanted Eddie to just focus on booking, Janela's obvious mind for the business means he could be a big deal behind the scenes, but he wants to wrestle. Unfortunately for him, I think, outside of being willing to take crazy bumps, his best trait is his storytelling ability (check the build to, and payoff of his feud with David Starr in Beyond for a great example), but he hasn't really gotten much of an angle to work with in AEW. I also don't think he works great in a tight TV match structure, which is going to be a problem - his best stuff tends to stretch and be a bit flabby (see the match with Page at All In or the Iron Man match with Starr).

 

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56 minutes ago, Migs said:

I think part of why people are having trouble "clicking" with Janela is that there's a lot of what makes people love the guy that isn't on screen. He's the mind behind Spring Break, the guy that launched PCO and Marko and all sorts of other acts people enjoy - other than All In, it's hard to find an indy show that's mattered more over the last few years. He's a fan in the way a lot of us are (when he wrestled Low Ki, he made him bust out the Ki Krusher because Janela's such an indy wrestling nerd that he was excited to take the move) and so if you connect to him at all, it's really easy to connect deeply.

In much the same way I'm sure a lot of people wanted Eddie to just focus on booking, Janela's obvious mind for the business means he could be a big deal behind the scenes, but he wants to wrestle. Unfortunately for him, I think, outside of being willing to take crazy bumps, his best trait is his storytelling ability (check the build to, and payoff of his feud with David Starr in Beyond for a great example), but he hasn't really gotten much of an angle to work with in AEW. I also don't think he works great in a tight TV match structure, which is going to be a problem - his best stuff tends to stretch and be a bit flabby (see the match with Page at All In or the Iron Man match with Starr).

 

These are all fair points.  The best Janela I've seen (heard) was when he appeared on Austin's podcast.  He's clearly a wrestling fan who eats, sleeps and breathes the business.  I just don't like to see him actually wrestle.

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On 12/3/2019 at 4:58 PM, WingedEagle said:

He's clearly a wrestling fan who eats, sleeps and breathes the business.  I just don't like to see him actually wrestle.

One of Jim Cornette's frequent talking points about Janela that I actually agree with, is that just because you're a fan of something it doesn't mean you should automatically be qualified to do it.  Love and passion are great, but there has to be natural skill in there as well.  Hell, I love NFL football and am a passionate fan of the Arizona Cardinals...that doesn't mean they should put me on the fucking team.  Look at CM Punk.  He was a hardcore UFC fan and was more passionate about that than he was his own Pro Wrestling career.  Look how far that got him. 

Only in Pro Wrestling does it seem that if you're a huge fan and really passionate about it, that somehow qualifies you to try it.  Joey Janela does not have the body of an athlete, but that's only the start of the problem.  When he's not doing stupid hardcore shit, his work clearly sucks.  I don't know who the fuck trained that guy, but Janela should ask for his money back.  He can't throw a punch...and he's supposed to be a brawler.  From everything I've seen so far, he has no goddamn idea how to get his character across and get fans to take him seriously.  He makes ridiculous facial expressions and can't convey any believably in his promos...at least none of the ones I've seen. 

I don't hate AEW at all, they've actually done a lot of stuff I've really enjoyed. I think Darby Allin is one of the hottest prospects in the entire business right now, and I've even started to come around on Orange Cassidy because they're just using him as comedy relief, and it's not like anybody is actually selling his shit.  (That segment with him and Pac a couple of weeks ago was awesome.)  But Joey Janela is a bridge too far.  I don't care how anybody tries to justify him or dress it up...that dude fucking sucks.

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