KawadaSmile Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 Michael Jordan is the GOAT and the white/red Air Jordan 1s are the dopest sneakers out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 1 hour ago, KawadaSmile said: Michael Jordan is the GOAT and the white/red Air Jordan 1s are the dopest sneakers out there. Jordan's a bitch, says biographer Ken Burns Okay, Burns didn't say that, but he's not a fan of the documentary for reasons explained in the link above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted May 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 Not sure if his criticisms match the content. While it is a fair concern, it's not like it's shielding MJ away from some heavy shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetCrawler Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 55 minutes ago, KawadaSmile said: Not sure if his criticisms match the content. While it is a fair concern, it's not like it's shielding MJ away from some heavy shit. And in fact, it's been so honest of Michael that he was making the rounds on social media telling people that they hope they don't look at him differently now that all of this is coming out. Which is amusing because amongst anyone who has paid attention to pro basketball or the history of it, Michael's ALWAYS been known as kind of a jerk. It's part of why he is the way he is. Larry Bird too. There's been a neverending debate over if you need to be harsh and cruel to your teammates to win or if you don't really need to do that, with people arguing on both sides of the spectrum (Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson being very notable members of the "you don't have to be a dick to your teammates to succeed" camp). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenese Sarwieh Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 In some cases the greater the player the great the ego and that will make them feel like they can do anything they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetCrawler Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, Tenese Sarwieh said: In some cases the greater the player the great the ego and that will make them feel like they can do anything they want. Yup, countless cases of players who took it so far that they sunk their entire careers over it. Allen Iverson is the modern-day posterchild of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted May 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 AJ just showing up is anticlimatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Waking up and going on Twitter on Raw mornings is always rewarding - This company wow lol  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Really hope this is leading to the rumored MVP-led stable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 I'm not saying I think it's what they are doing, but if someone wanted to argue that Vince is trying to do some "The Producers" shit and purposefully make a bad show I would at least hear them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted May 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, MoS said: This company wow lol That will probably bite them in the ass  Also, like I've poisted in the wrong thread and only noticed now: Charlotte bumps like Honky Tonk Man.  Such a giving star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 I don't even understand why they would do this to Roman. This is beyond parody. Charlotte is like the skill of Ric Flair combined with the politicking of HHH. Like the deadliest combo ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 no RAW notes from me, I just can't do these empty arena WWE shows......but The Last Dance has been a great doc. As someone who's 38...39 later this year......who's favorite sport to both play and watch was basketball, who wanted to Be Like Mike but also had a love/hate relationship with him in the 90's due to me being a diehard Knickerbockers fan.....I love this shit. I lived through all of this....I know the outlines of everything, the stories real and imagined, some stuff is being colored in a little more, the only new info I'm gleaning is minor and antecdotal (but still great)....but the best part has been all the footage that's never seen the light of day before and the current day interviews with people, especially MJ himself. It's fucking great. Oh yeah, pWo. AJ is back!!! And he's alive!!! That at least makes the MITB at Titan Towers more interesting to me....but tbh I'm definitely already hyped to see how they pull this off. Doesn't mean I'm going to spend 5 hrs a week watching their tv....  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 As good as MJ was, this documentary series is making me love Pippen more and more with each episode.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetCrawler Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, cm funk said: but also had a love/hate relationship with him in the 90's due to me being a diehard Knickerbockers fan Fucking word, dude. Being a Knicks fan is about pure suffering. I feel for modern Knick fans because most of them started in the Isiah Thomas era so they've seen all of like... two or three good years for the Knicks ever (that weird period from like 2010-2013 where the Knicks kept making the playoffs before everything shit the bed again). I'd go crazy if I didn't have memories of Ewing/Starks/Oakley/LJ/Houston/Spree to fall back on. Also shoutouts to Derek Harper. 44 minutes ago, MoS said: As good as MJ was, this documentary series is making me love Pippen more and more with each episode.  I've made this argument forever, but Michael Jordan wasn't winning six titles without Scottie Pippen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Can't wait for the point when this Roman things gets turned into an angle and people will argue it was the plan all along like with Bryan's push to the top. That people running this company are petty assholes is nothing new though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Michael Jordan got over big on Raw last night it seems! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Wasn’t the MITB match filmed a couple of weeks ago? So, how does that line-up with AJ coming back? Was that the plan all along? Or was the MITB filming story incorrect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMJ Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 The topic of the validity of The Last Dance is much more interesting than talking about RAW, but I totally get it if this comment is deleted. I see the documentary as being mostly focused on the NBA and the Bulls and obviously Jordan (as the biggest NBA star ever who played for the Bulls). I'm only now finishing Episode 5, so I'm not sure what is covered in Episode 6, but if it does eventually get to Jordan's divorce - widely reported to be based on his philandering and gambling - then that will kinda discount Ken Burns' criticisms. But even if it doesn't delve into that highly personal realm of Jordan's life, I'd still consider the documentary to be fairly objective and a great representation of the real subject - which is the sport of basketball, the NBA's rise in the early-to-mid-90s, and Jordan's role in that world. I don't think the producers of the film set out to make a film that gave equal weight to Jordan's on-court/off-court career. They could've, but they didn't. To me, it'd be the same thing if someone wanted to make a documentary about The Rock or Austin in the 90s. You have to choose what your theme and subject is going to be and, remember, much of this archival footage is coming from an unfinished (?) documentary about the Bulls' last season together. They weren't necessarily filming the team hanging out and getting into mischief at bars and clubs. I wouldn't expect a 10-hour documentary about Steve Austin's career and impact to discuss spousal abuse and divorce and all that muck until around hour 9, when his life went off the rails. And then I'd expect Hour 10 to basically rebuild his image as a guy who has turned his life around. I expect the same out of The Last Dance and I don't think that's "cheating" or "spinning" things to an egregious amount. Its storytelling. Ken Burns makes highly objective documentaries, but, man, they can also be some of driest, most boring slogs to sit through. His criticisms are valid, but to me, they're a bit unnecessary and misguided. There's too much propaganda on cable (*cough* Fox News *cough*) for him to damn a sports documentary that intentionally focuses on the basketball life of the greatest player of all time and does, multiple times so far, make sure to get in some shots at His Airness as well. (Seriously, Jerry Krause seems like a bastard, but Jordan's comments directly to him are also pure bullying and don't seem at all playful. Almost to the point that Krause becomes sympathetic.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted May 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 4 hours ago, FMKK said: Michael Jordan got over big on Raw last night it seems! Well, it is a very good docu-series about the GOAT of basketball and maybe of team sports (Pelé is #1 and I shudder to think what a docuseries about his life would be like). No wonder it got more attention over 3 hours of empty arena wrestling 5 hours ago, El-P said: Can't wait for the point when this Roman things gets turned into an angle and people will argue it was the plan all along like with Bryan's push to the top. Thing is that they are just running a Roman Reigns special with some of his best matches and are very openly mentioning him in social media, so clearly they still see value in him and respect him. Maybe they just don't want to use him as of now? At the same time, they'll edit him out from the smallest of things and not even mention him, so it's conflicting messages altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 Ronaldo and Messi > Pele. Maybe Maradona as well. (Partially trolling haha. My country has only ever produced one great footballer so I can't rag on Brazil too much.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 37 minutes ago, KawadaSmile said: Thing is that they are just running a Roman Reigns special with some of his best matches and are very openly mentioning him in social media, so clearly they still see value in him and respect him. Maybe they just don't want to use him as of now? At the same time, they'll edit him out from the smallest of things and not even mention him, so it's conflicting messages altogether. Agreed to all this. We're seeing WWE's often awkward approach to handling curveballs. They don't want to bring attention to Roman onscreen because it's a reminder of how he had to make the call himself not to wrestle, along with emphasizing how no one should be wrestling right now. It's confusing, no doubt about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 It's also possible that their social media team is simply not in sync with the other parts. I cannot imagine things are very organised right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 That's entirely possible. But WWE could have easily pulled the FS1 special coming on tonight, yet haven't. WWE has always worked in the shade. Part of being the ultimate carnies. Could there be something deeper happening with Roman? Of course, we can't dismiss it. But it feels more like Hanlon's Razor at work, at least for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 5, 2020 Report Share Posted May 5, 2020 I will say the best part of Raw by far was Asuka trying to resist being able to sing Nia Jax's theme song as she came out for that MVP segment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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