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I picture him to be like Dustin was for that period in 98 when he was doing that "born again" gimmick and Val Venis made that classic "The Preacher's Wife" with Marlena lol

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I have no idea what the one poster here actually said, so I can't comment. 

All I see now is some weird shit about how this board is trying to "cancel" him.

Huh?

57 minutes ago, Infinit said:

I picture him to be like Dustin was for that period in 98 when he was doing that "born again" gimmick and Val Venis made that classic "The Preacher's Wife" with Marlena lol

Holy shit! I thought I was the only one who remembered this gimmick. It lasted, what, 3-4 weeks and then was never referenced again.

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I liked that angle, but the problem was this. When it started, I think Dustin was the heel and Val was the face, which is weird to begin with. The porn star is mocking the "Christian" who's a heel because he's mad about being dirty on tv and playing the Goldust character.  But there was an awesome part, where after being taunted by Val for weeks, Val was cutting a promo and the Goldust music and lights interrupted it, because now shit was on. And I'm sure there was no good payoff, at least I don't remember one. It was the ultimate Russo angle; at it's simplest it's a great wrestling story...but.....Russo. 

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1 hour ago, Johnny Sorrow said:

I liked that angle, but the problem was this. When it started, I think Dustin was the heel and Val was the face, which is weird to begin with.

I think another part of the problem was it hit a little too close to home for people in the "this is getting a little tasteless" kind of way, because while the Attitude Era was all about T&A and everyone cheering it on, there was the uncomfortable thing that this really WAS the wife of Dustin that they were doing this with, and we literally saw them the year before do an angle where they were struggling with their marriage (culminating with a sitdown interview with Jim Ross where Dustin called her all sorts of shit and then walked off).  The fans want to see T&A, but they also are adept enough to notice "whoaaaaaa you don't go after HIS wife."  It was different with Yamaguchi-san because he was already a joke character for a joke stable that was being played for laughs and mocking Japanese stereotypes.  It felt a little more real with Dustin, and I think Russo+co. just saw Terri as someone hot rather than how the fans saw her as "yeah, she's hot, but we literally just saw these two in a story where they were trying to repair their marriage".

Also Johnny is right, the whole Goldust redemption angle was awesome.  I look at the Dustin/Goldust angle as what really killed the mystique/value of Val's character to be honest though.  It did so much damage to Val because he went from being "oh here's the goofy porn star and he's making silly porn movies with the clearly not real wife of the stereotype manager of a stereotype stable, and now here's John Wayne Bobbitt" to what fans saw and felt completely uncomfortable over.  He clearly wasn't supposed to be the heel in the angle and the fans I think legitimately got kinda pissed over him over it, so they had no choice but to swap both sides around.  Once they got Terri out of that angle it did wonders for her character because they kept her as far away from Goldust as possible and fans forgot and finally saw her as the hot T&A that Russo+co. envisioned her as.

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4 hours ago, Johnny Sorrow said:

It was the ultimate Russo angle

Absolutely. 

To add to the confusion and to stay within the topic, the worst thing maybe was the fact JR was slut-shaming Terri while she had every right to do whatever she wanted, especially after Dustin had basically humiliated her and dumped her on TV months before. And Val was the babyface to the audience (because he had the hot woman at his side), then he was the heel when Goldust showed up because Goldust coming back was cool, then he was the babyface again because porn star = babyface back then, then the angle concluded with Val dumping Terri like a complete asshole with then Terri pretending to be pregnant, then Terri pandering to Goldust again, who, despite being a babyface now too sent her packing too, then a fake miscarriage angle then Terri doing the PMS faction, which she stated before she hated. Yeah, Russo in all its absolute glory. An amazing display of sexism and misogyny on every level.

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10 hours ago, Johnny Sorrow said:

I liked that angle, but the problem was this. When it started, I think Dustin was the heel and Val was the face, which is weird to begin with. The porn star is mocking the "Christian" who's a heel because he's mad about being dirty on tv and playing the Goldust character.  But there was an awesome part, where after being taunted by Val for weeks, Val was cutting a promo and the Goldust music and lights interrupted it, because now shit was on. And I'm sure there was no good payoff, at least I don't remember one. It was the ultimate Russo angle; at it's simplest it's a great wrestling story...but.....Russo. 

The payoff was Goldust debuting the Shattered Dreams kick. I popped.

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