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16 minutes ago, Timbo Slice said:

Everything about the main event came off half-assed, like they didn't want to go full-force into what a match of that style truly requires.

Kenny Omega Vs. Jon Moxley in the lights out, unsanctioned hardcore match at Full Gear the first time around was insane. But finding out you're going to be a father changes a man & I wouldn't blame Moxley if he took it a bit easier than the first go around as a result, honestly. And even still, look at all he took in the match & how much color he got. So if that's a Moxley night off imagine if Renee wasn't pregnant!

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I'll take that as a reason behind it, but (and this is gonna sound weird) the match they had last night had a lot of ways to make it come off as something more dangerous than it actually is! And they didn't choose that route for some reason! 

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52 minutes ago, Ricky Jackson said:

Was the explosion a botch? Was it supposed to look better, or did they actually think it was going to get over looking like that? 

I have it in me it was supposed to look better. No way they could've presented something like this and think "hey this will have people satisfied"

Plus the fact that they are DMCA'ing the shit out of the clip tells me they don't want to have people mocking it.

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I’ve been trying to process how I feel about last night and all I can come away with is disappointed. Christian was probably the best b-tier person they could have signed, after the A-list of Punk, Brock, and Cena were pipe dreams. I like Christian, and I think he’ll be a good person to have around. I hope he’s healthy. But for the level that they teased it I’m disappointed. Then that main event. Sigh. It was good up until the ending. There’s no good way to explain it away. Either they thought that was good enough, in storyline Omega sucked at building the thing, he was playing mind games/pulling a Jokey Smurf, or Omega is a chickenshit and wanted to make sure he didn’t get hurt himself if the thing went off so he half assed it. I probably like the last option the best but chickenshit heel is not really Omega’s character. I’m sure he can pull it off, but will he? The sad thing to me is that these were the two biggest things hyping the PPV and both fell flat in the grand scheme of things. Had it been an explosion worthy of the hype, that ending with Kingston would have been great. I’m sure they’ll salvage it. I’ve seen worse. But it’s a low point for AEW for sure. 

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Omega building the bomb to be shitty because he was afraid of getting boom boomed doesn't make much sense, because the rope bombs all came off pretty good, better than the landmine hell or whatever the fuck they were called. 

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So just watched the main event. I think what made it so bad wasn't that the explosion was a dud (the explosion at the end of IWA KOTD was every bit the dud) what made it bad was that Kingston sold it like it was Hayabusa vs Onita and the announcers did too. Had everybody's reaction been in proportion with the size of the explosion I don't think it would have been a thing. Instead its another LOLTNA moment in AEW. I'm glad I didn't buy the show. I said in another thread that AEW missing on the little details will eventually catch up to them. I think last night might have been it. And they are doubling down on their fuck up by addressing it on TV on Wednesday. If I were them I'd be scrubbing any video of that debacle from the internet, not replaying it on national TV.

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FWIW,  I'm pretty sure the plan was for there to be a big kaboom, but it was a dud and didn't go off the way it was supposed to.  So it's not that they thought they could get away with sparklers, but things just fucked up on them. 

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5 hours ago, sek69 said:

FWIW,  I'm pretty sure the plan was for there to be a big kaboom, but it was a dud and didn't go off the way it was supposed to.  So it's not that they thought they could get away with sparklers, but things just fucked up on them. 

It seems like they were trying to get away with that:

"Tony Khan says he's not sure what people expected outside actually blowing guys up."

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Seeing that fan-shot version, I think that if the boom had been more impressive and the smoke had hung around the ring a while longer, they might have had a better response.

My gut says they didn't test it until the day of the show and it was too late to change it.

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9 hours ago, Edwin said:

It seems like they were trying to get away with that:

"Tony Khan says he's not sure what people expected outside actually blowing guys up."

Tony was trying to spin it in the post show presser, like how apparently the story is going to be that Kenny sucks at building big explosions. 

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(I'm not saying it was a good idea for him to say that btw, just that it's the idea he's trying to spin going forward)

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Disclaimer : I have not read the thread at all and have only watched the show today (while successfully avoiding spoilers.... with bittersweet results in the end), so I don't know what you all thought of this, but I think I can guess. :lol:

Hey, it had to happen eventually. AEW finally has disappointed me greatly on a big show, with TWO huge mishaps. 

1/ Christian fucking Cage. I shook my head... I mean, nothing against the guy at all, and if they did not hyped him as some sort of huge star signee, I would have been glad to see him show up and maybe get a great last sting like Jericho's first year in the company, a stint he never had in WWE for petty reasons (but taking in account that he should not be used TNA style). But in this context, with the big time hype, I just shook my head. In a way it was good we had that discussion about him the other day, because I believe I ended up less disappointed than I would if I had seen this cold turkey, but still... What a letdown (again, I'm a big fan of the guy, nothing against him, but the hype was wrong)

2/I was loving that whole Onita tribute match, with tons of little details to Onita's style (including those damn figure-four spots which probably have confused some people). I LOVED the smart counter to the One Winged Angel pinfall. I LOVED Eddie Kingston jumping to protect Mox from the deadly explosion, total Onita style. But...have you seen Onita's matches explosions ? Like the one against Hayabusa ? It looked like the apocalypse, not like Big Daddy Cool's pyros... I think I died a little inside, shook my head again and then went "Well, PWO is gonna have a field day with this, and it'll be 200% right". 

The whole show felt kinda off honestly, with a "good" Young Bucks match, which by their standards is disappointing, Miro's match although quite entertaining when he was battling Orange, still feeling like an afterthought and I hope now that Miro is gonna break away from Sabian (I gave them the benefit of the doubt for too long honestly, it's time to get serious now) and mostly a very disappointing ladder match. Ethan Page is a cool signing for AEW and I was totally expecting him, so I was happy about that, but fuck me Max Caster has no business on my TV, much less on PPV, what the hell do they see in him ? Shitty raps with 15years behind Cena-like gimmick and Buff Bagwell level work don't work for me brutha. Archer and Penta made it fun but the other guys were kinda there, it was too long and drawn out and not that crazy (especially compared to the previous ones in AEW). Scorpio Sky is a really odd choice for a winner too considering he's done nothing for months and did not feel like he had any momentum.

I did enjoy Shida vs Mizunami a lot, the Casino tag-team royal was a lot of fun,  Hangman vs Hardy was as good a single Matt Hardy match is gonna be in 2021 and the ending was terrific, the cinematic match was cool and all although not a fan of giving 61 years old Sting the win against a future star. I mean, it doesn't *really* matter because it's less a match than a Lucha Underground-like vignette and you don't want Darby to beat him either in such circumstance, and you gotta give one to Sting I guess, but still, felt a bit odd.

And I did love the main event, as an old Onita fan. Until.... these explosions, which I guess in a very meta way was an tribute to the Cactus Jack vs Terry Funk Deathmatch Tournament Final (yeah, the explosions totally sucked then too if you remember, but Terry Funk saved it by looking puzzled as fuck all), but nah, you know it was just a very poor pyrotechnic work (the landmine outside should have clued everyone though, as it looked quite lame too compared to the Onita ones, although I understand why you don't want to do that kind of crazy shit in the US in 2021, but then again, don't do the gimmick then). And it made the post-"explosion" angle look stooooopid as hell, when he should have been great on paper.

So, there, first AEW major show that I have no choice but to call a letdown, with two BIG TIME faux pas.

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5 minutes ago, Ricky Jackson said:

Clearly, the best medicine to get over your disappointment is to review Taker's turgid 2014-2018 stretch at Mania. :)

That's coming up. ;) 

The debate on this thread about Christian being a top 5 Attitude Era guy was funny though.

And yeah, @Loss is right, sign Debbie Malenko already !

BTW, Maki Itoh is the greatest thing ever apparently. Just put her on my TV every week.

It's too bad Josh Alexander is stuck in IMPACT, because The North vs the Young Bucks and FTR would have been awesome matches.

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The claim of Christian being a top 5 guy in the Attitude Era got me thinking. We all dismiss the Attitude Era as trash TV, which it was. But it was well booked trash TV with guys who were over. Edge and Christian were a top 5 tag team maybe? possibly? (Rock and Sock, Brothers of Destruction, Outlaws, Hardys, Dudleys, APA, etc ) All of whom were over like rover. Flipping back and forth between Nitro and Raw in 2000 you would think the 7th or 8th WWF tag team  were bigger stars than Goldberg, Scott Steiner, and Booker T. 

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7 hours ago, El-P said:

Disclaimer : I have not read the thread at all and have only watched the show today (while successfully avoiding spoilers.... with bittersweet results in the end), so I don't know what you all thought of this, but I think I can guess. :lol:

You missed me calling Christian Cage one of the top five wrestlers in the Attitude Era, everyone else on PWO unanimously agreeing with me, all of us eventually coming to the consensus that he was actually #1 in the Attitude Era, followed by plans for a daily tweet campaign to get Christian into the WON HOF, and a PWO community-wide pact to rank Christian in the top spot of the 2026 GWE. It was an amazing thread. Sorry you couldn't be there with us.

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Yeah...I didn't want to prolong the Christian Top 5 convo here, but two questions did come to mind, in terms of starpower or importance to the Attitude Era:

- Ranking the six competitors in the TLC matches

- Christian v. The Godfather

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11 minutes ago, Cowboy Hats 4.0 said:

- Ranking the six competitors in the TLC matches

Matt & Jeff hardy > Bubba > Edge > D-Von > Christian. Yeah, he's 6 on those matches alone. He's actually n°1 in term of being a worker, but like it's been said, it's not what's debated here.

The Godfather was over because he had a bunch of strippers in g-strings and hooker heels. Hell, Scotty 2 Hotty & Rikishi dancing were more over than Christian Cage during the Attitude Era... (which is why it's better when pro-wrestling tries to please the hardcore fans instead of a mainstream crowd)

Debra's puppies were bigger stars. Let's get real here

Classic Attitude Era (1998/99) : Austin / The Rock / Mr. McMahon / Sable / Foley

Later Attitude Era (00/01) : Austin / The Rock / Mr. McMahon / Triple H / dunno who the fifth might be but certainly not Christian, not even close.

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