sek69 Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 54 minutes ago, KawadaSmile said: My take on it is that they see Scarlett as the star and are coming up with not so subtle ways to split them. If she's good when managing a plank, imagine a more skilled wrestler. This seems the most likely scenario. Take everything away from Kross to "prove" he can't hack it on the main roster, then pair Scarlett up with someone they see as more worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted July 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 2 hours ago, MoS said: I think those fans were probably leaving because they have zero interest in Kross, not cuz of the result. I get the point about overreaction, but there's imo a difference between saying fans are overreacting and saying fans are disrespectful. The latter strongly implies that if fans are not accepting a booking decision, then the fault lies with them, not with bad booking. If it is disrespectful to walk out when someone you don't like is pushed, but it's also disrespectful to not walk out but chant snarky shit in the arena, then what is the appropriate way to express dissatisfaction with booking choices? 2 hours ago, sek69 said: It wasn't leaving early though, it was leaving after the main event. My dude in the tweet just needed to tell the world how disrespectful he thought it was for anyone to not enjoy whatever they get fed by Uncle Paul. You guys are right. I mean, the person in the tweet is in their feelings about something that, from what Sek said, is an early leave - happens all the time in other sports when the home team is getting blown the fuck out. Given how Gargano is adored and Kross is... not, makes sense. But yeah, it is weird to see wrestling fans defending their favorite promotion like it's something sacred. I get it's your enjoyment but still... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirEdger Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 2 hours ago, KawadaSmile said: I dunno. It seems like an overreaction to walk out early just because of a result you didn't like even if the booking is *just* regular bad. At the same time, it is annoying to see how the NXT top champ is one of the worst viable choices if not THE worst choice, so I get the sentiment. That makes me think, tho: Shotzi and Tegan got "tryout" matches and got called up immediatly. Kross wrestled against Cesaro, Gulak, Shelton and is still in NXT. Guess if you remove Scarlett he's just an overgrown CAW wrestler. I saw his match with Shelton on Main Event and it was obvious that Kross was struggling. I never thought I'd see someone have a bad match with Shelton Benjamin but yet, it happened with Kross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted July 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 minute ago, SirEdger said: I saw his match with Shelton on Main Event and it was obvious that Kross was struggling. I never thought I'd see someone have a bad match with Shelton Benjamin but yet, it happened with Kross. Shit, that sucks for him. Those guys could have a decent showing in their sleep. Thing is, Gulak, Cesaro, Shelton (there was someone else named who I forgot) tend to have good matches not just because they are great, but they can also direct others to do great shit. If a dude is struggling against THOSE dudes... maybe developmental is where he belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirEdger Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 Whereas on the same episode of Main Event, Bronson Reed was wrestling Drew Gulak and Gulak made Reed look like a million bucks. Thus, it surprised me that they seemingly are teasing a Reed vs Cole feud as I thought Reed's callup was imminent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, SirEdger said: Whereas on the same episode of Main Event, Bronson Reed was wrestling Drew Gulak and Gulak made Reed look like a million bucks. Thus, it surprised me that they seemingly are teasing a Reed vs Cole feud as I thought Reed's callup was imminent. I thought so too, especially how they had him drop the NA title out of nowhere when they were building up other feuds. I'm guessing Vince saw him and had the Scott Steiner reaction (He's fat!!!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 hour ago, SirEdger said: I saw his match with Shelton on Main Event and it was obvious that Kross was struggling. I never thought I'd see someone have a bad match with Shelton Benjamin but yet, it happened with Kross. TRUST me on this. And I am not a Kross fan at ALL here. Kross deliberately sandbagged the audition. Very few in NXT actually want to be called up currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, rovert said: Kross deliberately sandbagged the audition. Very few in NXT actually want to be called up currently. ...and if various rumors/reports are to be believed most people on the main roster other than the tippy top guys would rather be in NXT instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirEdger Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 52 minutes ago, rovert said: TRUST me on this. And I am not a Kross fan at ALL here. Kross deliberately sandbagged the audition. Very few in NXT actually want to be called up currently. Well, that explains everything, then. Felt odd to me that a match with Shelton would end up being that average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 57 minutes ago, rovert said: TRUST me on this. And I am not a Kross fan at ALL here. Kross deliberately sandbagged the audition. Very few in NXT actually want to be called up currently. Kross sucked in TNA, sucks in NXT, how could you tell if he was sandbagging or not when his baseline is "this guy sucks"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 39 minutes ago, strobogo said: Kross sucked in TNA, sucks in NXT, how could you tell if he was sandbagging or not when his baseline is "this guy sucks"? Having a bad match with Shelton would have to be caused by injury or sandbagging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 28 minutes ago, sek69 said: Having a bad match with Shelton would have to be caused by injury or sandbagging. Or a dude sucking and Shelton being in his mid 40s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 When did Shelton Benjamin become prime Benoit? I haven't seen the match in question. I like Shelton and I'm kinda 'meh' on Kross, but this sounds like so much hyperbole. Shelton is absolutely capable of having boring paint by numbers WWE tv matches, I've seen a ton of them!! Sometimes multiple things can be true.... I personally don't really care what happens with Kross tbh. I think there's a place for him for sure, but it's not as the top guy they've pushed him as in NXT. A short TV match with Shelton isn't going to sway my opinion on him one way or the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 Kross had several matches with guys known for always having quality matches, and was not impressive in any of them. The law of averages would seem to suggest *one* of them would have been able to get a decent match out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 Kross has been painfully mediocre for the entirety of his career. You take away Scarlett & he's just another Michael Elgin or Mike Bennett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 Absolutely, but I'm not sure why we're simultaneously elevating Shelton in the process here. Shelton has had mega boring matches with people far better than Kross. And I like Shelton a lot!! I haven't watched any of the Kross-Balor matches, at least one of those got decent reviews, right? Then again, most people don't like Balor much these days either, so who knows..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 Also, you need to ask what the goal was with putting Kross on Main Event with Shelton. To me it seems a test of can this guy work a safe, camera friendly WWE match with someone Vince trusts in the ring. That's all it was. It wasn't to make Kross look great, it was to see how competent he was. If they wanted to make him look great they would have put Drake Maverick or someone in there to get murdered That said, I'm now super curious about this match and am gonna have to check it out. It's been a while since I've checked out a b show for a hidden gem or lack thereof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 Funny how people go after reporters like Dave and SRS saying they use "plans change" as a get out of jail free card, yet WWE just paid off weeks of skits between Nattie/Tamina and Mandy/Dana by moving Mandy to NXT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 On the heels of Dynamite beating Raw in the 18-49 demo, WWE really seems to have its pulse on the youths with the tidbit SRS just dropped: Spoiler WWE is looking to bring back Goldberg to challenge Lashley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 It never fails to amaze me that in a company that employs something like 200 wrestlers, the moment they have the slightest blow to their ego or reputation, the first thing they do is go "Find me someone who was popular 25 years ago." I can only imagine what an amazing boost for morale that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMJ Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 I thought the rumor was Lesnar/Lashley at SummerSlam? Doesn't Brock have a similar contract with a set number of matches per year? Or is that contract done? And I know there are folks who are sick of Brock too, but at 44, he's actually younger than Lashley and The Rock (also rumored for a brief return, but at least that could make for a good storyline and he's the fucking Rock), the same age as Cena, and a decade younger than the guy who is supposedly returning Monday. Plus, while Brock's matches have been hit-or-miss (to put it kindly) over the years, it wasn't all that long ago he had pretty good outings with Daniel Bryan, Finn Balor, and AJ Styles. Its just the matches that came after that were mostly booked terribly - putting over Rollins twice, burying Kofi - or had terrible underlying conditions (it's hard to question Lesnar's lack of motivation at WrestleMania and desire to just go home in the onset of a global pandemic that shut most of the world down for 18 months). But that Royal Rumble performance? Where he was just tossing nerds? That was dope. Lesnar brings Big Fight Feel and still ostensibly could tear the house down when motivated and given an opponent who he has chemistry with. But Lashley's rumored challenger? Just no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, DMJ said: I thought the rumor was Lesnar/Lashley at SummerSlam? Doesn't Brock have a similar contract with a set number of matches per year? Or is that contract done? His contract expired last year. WWE let it happen because they figured it made no economic sense to use him during the pandemic and he was out of everyone else's price range. According to the latest Observer, there are those in the company who think Reigns/Lesnar has the potential to be a big program due to the Heyman connection and they don't want to dilute it by bringing Brock back to job to Lashley. There are so many problems with that idea I don't even know where to begin, but that's the thinking. In other news, Mandy being moved to NXT was apparently a trade with Aliyah being sent to Raw. She's received six years of the best wrestling training imaginable, so she's sure to knock 'em dead on the main roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 It's incredible to me that they push Goldberg more now than they did in 2003, when they should have pushed him to the moon but were suffering from MNW PTSD and instead booked him to be yet another guy who fell victim to the almighty sledgehammer and pedigree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 6 hours ago, NintendoLogic said: In other news, Mandy being moved to NXT was apparently a trade with Aliyah being sent to Raw. She's received six years of the best wrestling training imaginable, so she's sure to knock 'em dead on the main roster. Funny thing is she's spent so much time in developmental doing nothing but job, if she does literally anything on the main roster it would be a success. The bar is so low for her it would almost be impossible for her to underwhelm unless she goes out there and has a Jenna from Survivor level match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 God the What chants are the worst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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