Strummer Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 could tell how frustrated Dave is with the product on the radio show last night. His rant against the Authority angle was dead on. Three years of the same exact storyline. He's as flummoxed with the product as the rest of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 could tell how frustrated Dave is with the product on the radio show last night. His rant against the Authority angle was dead on. Three years of the same exact storyline. He's as flummoxed with the product as the rest of us On the other hand, putting Ken Shamrock in DX could help this situation too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El McKell Posted January 13, 2016 Report Share Posted January 13, 2016 could tell how frustrated Dave is with the product on the radio show last night. His rant against the Authority angle was dead on. Three years of the same exact storyline. He's as flummoxed with the product as the rest of us On the other hand, putting Ken Shamrock in DX could help this situation too. If they opened next weeks Raw with the DX theme playing and then Ken Shamrock walks down the ramp, would people pop? would they boo? would they be to confused to react? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Was this really written by Dave? There are plans in place to do a WWE Network multi-week series built around lighter weight wrestlers. The very sketchy plans, meaning these details are likely to change, and this also easily could not happen, were told to me about producing ten episodes, built around a tournament for “unknown” wrestlers (meaning those who haven’t appeared on WWE or NXT television) who are less than 205 pounds. The idea is to do something similar to a Japanese tournament, although that could change. The idea is for something in the summer. Multiple people in wrestling have confirmed the idea in the planning stages, with one idea apparently being all indie guys with the idea that if they get over they’ll be signed. The other is to mix “hot indie” guys with some WWE developmental talent, perhaps as a vehicle to debut Manny Andrade (La Sombra) in a big way Holy shit is that poorly redacted. Also, Dave's double talk when it comes to WWE news is reaching hilarious levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Clarity in his writing has never been Dave's strong suit. It does seem like he's been making a more concerted effort to protect his sources. I get the feeling from how he talks on the WO shows that he may have inadvertently burnt one of his sources and is trying to make sure that doesn't happen in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 For a guy who has written a novel's worth of wrestling news virtually every week for the last 30 years of his life and never even taken a vacation, his clarity is much better than mine would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I hate when Dave starts off a podcast by saying there's "a ton of news" and follows it up with 25 minutes of talk about how monumental Sage Northcutt's first loss is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Dave called Raw's final segment 'the best segment in the history of television wrrestling'. He's like a child with a new toy. Absolutely no sense of perspective.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Dave called Raw's final segment 'the best segment in the history of television wrrestling'. He's like a child with a new toy. Absolutely no sense of perspective.... Wade Keller said it could had been the best segment in the history of Raw, but it's unfair to compare this as it was an emotional real moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Dave called Raw's final segment 'the best segment in the history of television wrrestling'. He's like a child with a new toy. Absolutely no sense of perspective.... I think it could be the most emotional segment or one of the most memorable, but it wasn't functional. It wasn't going to draw any money. I don't think it was artistically appealing. It was real. It's sort of like, if you had for the final episode of MASH, the last five minutes were all of the actors breaking character and talking about their experiences and how much this mattered as the crowd went nuts for them. It's more of an Apples and Oranges thing in my mind. I guess on some level, it makes the WWE and Wrestling look more important, but those are really vague things. Dave's never been the best at separating things, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Dave called Raw's final segment 'the best segment in the history of television wrrestling'. He's like a child with a new toy. Absolutely no sense of perspective.... I think it could be the most emotional segment or one of the most memorable, but it wasn't functional. It wasn't going to draw any money. I don't think it was artistically appealing. It was real. It's sort of like, if you had for the final episode of MASH, the last five minutes were all of the actors breaking character and talking about their experiences and how much this mattered as the crowd went nuts for them. It's more of an Apples and Oranges thing in my mind. I guess on some level, it makes the WWE and Wrestling look more important, but those are really vague things. Dave's never been the best at separating things, though. He doesn't separate things, and coming out with a statement like that so soon afterwards seems rash to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxnj Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Dave is well known as a guy who places a lot of stock in how things come across in the moment and his previous favorite was the 2008 Ric Flair retirement, so what's so crazy that he thought Bryan's retirement surpassed it? I normally don't even pay attention to Dave's opinions but ragging on him for that is just dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Yeah, who gives a shit? If Meltzer feels that way in the moment than there's nothing "rash" about it. What's he supposed to do, sit back and rewatch all similar segments and rate them? That's what Vulcans and insane people do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 It was an epic moment, even only 24 hours removed. It's his opinion, let him enjoy it. The best wrestling tv moment doesn't mean only matches or angles or promos or whatever. This was a wrestling moment on a wrestling tv show. You can't compare this to M*A*S*H unless fans at the time complained about Radar not getting enough screentime despite his popularity and they wrote that into the show. And then a taping got stopped because fans on the set wouldn't stop chanting his name. It's sports and entertainment. It's just as much M*A*S*H as it is Peyton Manning winning a Superbowl for his record breaking 200th victory before possibly retiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Which would have really been weird since MASH wasn't shot on a set with a studio audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I'm not denying him the right to enjoy anything he wants to enjoy. I'm just wondering if he will stand by that opinion in 6 months time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I'm not denying him the right to enjoy anything he wants to enjoy. I'm just wondering if he will stand by that opinion in 6 months time. That's the great thing about opinions and feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Ok, but is this different from all the eye rolling over him championing modern New Japan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSR Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 The audio is up on youtube is anyone isn't a subscriber to the Observer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF1NH4wuUVg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Ok, but is this different from all the eye rolling over him championing modern New Japan? I don't get the criticism there either. He likes modern New Japan quite a bit, but has also been very quick to note business slipping, especially recently. If its not someone's taste they're not obligated to share his appreciation of it. Reviewing matches isn't objective reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Which year did he say the G1 was the greatest wrestling tournament ever? And did anyone ask him afterwards if he stod by that? I get that it's his opinion and all that but if you're in his position and know that your opinion will be discussed, wouldn't you be more cautious? Hope I'm not coming across as a dick, I'm just thinking what I'd do if it was me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 If the complaint is that Meltzer isn't "objective" then Dave trying to shape his opinions around whether or not they are going to be criticized is even LESS objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I think this is ultimately a fairly silly argument to be having in the first place, but nothing said has dissuaded me from my initial comments, with the wording and semantics exactly as they were put. I was saying a specific thing. I still think that specific thing is true. I do sort of wish that there was A> a studio audience for MASH and B> that the audience rebelled for Radar, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 He said in the Daniel Bryan radio show linked above that something very bad happened to Nick Bockwinkel in his last years; something like "I don't want to talk about it right now, but everyone knows, and it is very sad". What is he talking about? I did not even know Nick was suffering a lot in his ifnal years, although in hindsight I should have realised he was going to, seeing how he wrestled full-time well into his 50s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El McKell Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I'm pretty sure he was talking about the decline in Bockwinkel's mental state due to dementia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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