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The Boogalou thing actually happens on the very next show, Glory By Honor. That's when XPW is running a show at the same time and offers a bunch of ROH roster members a lot of money to no show and work for them. Boogalou is the only guy who takes the offer, which is why at GBH Homicide has to work a tag scramble by himself. The Uncensored thing is a good question. I don't have the DVD but like you, I saw that the ICP clip is on Youtube and have watched it. On the Uncensored stuff like ICP, Konnan, Jeff Hardy, Teddy Hart, I don't know for sure if we'll get to watch all of it, but I can promise it'll all be covered on the show as it comes up, at the very least.

Matt and Trevor are back to review ROH’s seventh show, Unscripted! A surprising title change provokes disagreement! Paul London makes himself a star! Dick Togo breaks a banana! Gary Michael Cappetta wandered in! Gabe realizes that a banner will not burn! All this and much more on the seventh episode of ThROH The Years!​ http://placetobenation.com/throh-the-years-episode-7-unscripted/

Yeah, I was a little scared about revisiting the Briscoes match too but I think because of the detail work they do it ends up aging really well. What bugged me about the Corino commentary (And it's a minor problem in the grand scheme of things) is that Corino had been ragging on Rudy Boy since the start, and been praising Dragon since the start. I realize in terms of booking, Corino starts criticizing Dragon because he was booked against him in that match scheduled for Unscripted that was canceled, but it was still an abrupt about face. Corino hails Dragon as a great wrestler and all of a sudden he's calling him boring and he isn't really called out on it.

Less than two weeks apart and ThROH The Years is already back with episode six. WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH 2002! ThROH The Years is back for episode six! Matt and Trevor invade your ears as ROH Invades Boston! ROH’s first ever battle of the Briscoes! Low Ki beats the holy hell out of AJ Styles! We search for the inventor of the Canadian Destroyer! We bid the fondest of farewells to Donnie B and reveal who really didn’t like him!. Fourteen matches and we ain’t even sweating, hop on board this dry train!​ http://placetobenation.com/throh-the-years-episode-6-honor-invades-boston/

Me and Matt have briefly talked about maybe having a guest on one day, and we threw out a couple ideas. I think Joe would definitely be on the short list. My concerns are after the first few episodes we've made an effort to try to keep the shows to two hours and change rather than three plus, and adding a guest would throw that out the window. Also, I know as a podcast listener, nothing bugs me more than when I tune into a podcast I love and they have some quest on that doesn't mesh and it disrupts the chemistry. I think there are guys like Joe that would fit in great though, but it's still something we'd have to consider. If it ever happens, we'd probably pick a show that has meaning to the guest, something they loved or were live for. If you're jonsin' for that Joe though, I'll put out that Gagne is part of the podcasts Alan4L is doing at F4Wonline.com running down their top 50 ROH stars of all time. It'll cost you a month's subscription and they still have to record the final one, but if you want hours of Joe not just talking, but talking about ROH, that market is being served RIGHT THIS MINUTE.

One more show. One more show.

Thanks guys. Karl that's the first comment we've gotten from someone saying they don't really know anything about ROH, so that's really interesting to me and we're glad to have you on board this rickety train.

So, big announcement, with episode five the podcast has joined the Place 2 Be Nation podcast network! It's feed will be our new home from here on out and it's really cool to be joining so many other podcasts I listen to, including some with their own threads on this forum. The show will remain entirely the same, so that's either a threat or a promise, depending on how you feel about the show! We get into this near the top of today's episode but this has nothing to do with Cubs who is one of the nicest guys for giving us a place to exist in the first place. THANK YOU CUBS. Oh, and we have our fifth episode up today! http://placetobenation.com/throh-the-years-episode-5-crowning-a-champion ThROH The Years makes its Place To Be Nation debut! Each episode Matt and Trevor review a ROH show starting from the beginning. We open paying tribute to our old father Cubs and our new dad, PTBN/PWO, before reviewing Crowning a Champion! The literal hottest match in ROH history! A ton of blood! A lot of clipping! Multiple banana-based segments! We hope you enjoy it.​

Thanks for all the tidbits, those are really interesting. I should've realized the possible Relapse/Gabe connections as he and Lynn seem to have similar taste in music. The Prophecy trivia thing is bizarre. If you want to whitewash history so it only includes names relevant to current ROH, that'd be one thing, but then why include Maff?

That show would be quite down the line so we'll decide when we come to it, but I'm borderline on it. There's a few shows we're either going to leave out or have to discuss if we want to review them. I know Matt and I have already privately agreed that we're not going to review the afternoon Do or Die newcomers cards (Although we will review the original Do or Die, since that was a proper ROH card).There's also a JAPW/ROH co-promoted show early in 2004 called "Collision Course" that we haven't discussed yet, but I doubt we'll cover that either (Although we'll be missing a sixteen minute Samoa Joe/Balls Mahoney match!). Frontiers Of Honor is a tough call, because like Matt says, it's not completely cannon and I think Matt and I both have very weak knowledge of the FWA guys that didn't become US fixtures. On the other hand, there is some interesting historical stuff there, like it being by far the biggest crowd ROH had been involved in up to that point (over 1,100 I believe), and Low Ki dislocating his collarbone. That was a very long way of saying "I'm not sure" and it's obvious I have spent way too much time researching ROH in the last month or two.

Thanks! People saying they enjoy the show continues to blow my mind. Me and Matt disagreed a fair bit with each other about Fleisch/Storm on the new episode, but we made sure to mention reports of them doing better elsewhere. We both really liked revisiting Williams (and managed to dig up some interesting super glowing praise from Meltzer in 2002). I am always fascinated with "touring matches" and wonder if in the modern age Storm/Fleisch would've been more successful. I think for a lot of us in the bygone days of the early 2000s, our indie exposure was limited by our budget. If you were like me, most of your indie viewing was ROH, not because of interest, but because of finances. Nowadays the cost barrier is so much lower. What I'm trying to say is, if Fleisch and Storm had five great matches in places and an average one in ROH, a young ROH buyer like me might only get to see the average one. Nowadays, if you get into say, Ricochet/Ospreay, you can follow them all over the place for much cheaper. For the price of one ROH tape, I could get a month of FloSlam and see Ospreay/Ricochet in OTT and Evolve (I think). Or I could get a month of New Japan World, watch their super juniors match, and still have ten bucks left over. Wrestlers don't live or die off of one match in a prominent promotion like they used to I think.

Donnie B is horrible, and I agree about the first three shows being a trilogy. And alsoooo episode four is up: Matt and Trevor return to review ROH’s Road to the Title! The best show so far? The funniest show so far? We revisit one of the more famous single minutes of indie wrestling in fifteen years! We get invaded by the British! Why would you make out next to a dumpster? All is explained on the fourth episode of ThROH The Years! http://www.thecubsfan.com/2017/05/05/throh-the-years-episode-4-road-to-the-title/

I'm sorry. (Actually it's not a painful show to watch, it's just missing that one standout match of the first two shows.)

Episode three of ThROH The Years is here! On this episode Matt and Trevor review ROH's third show, Night of Appreciation. AJ Styles' ROH debut! Is Donnie B the worst announcer in wrestling history? Spanky has a major wardrobe malfunction! A gauntlet series with a surprising good match and a surprisingly disappointing one! Eddie Guerrero delivers one of the most raw real emotional moments in wrestling at a crazy crossroads in his life. We talk about it all and more! http://http://media.blubrry.com/joeversustheworld/www.thecubsfan.com/jvstw/ThROHTheYearsEpisode3-ANightofAppreciation.mp3

Thanks for the compliments everyone! Johnny: I really need to see some JAPW because the CSC seem great at their act but ill suited in early ROH. Lane: Thanks for the stuff about Frank Talent, that kind of stuff is really interesting to me. Next episode should be up next Sunday-ish, will post here when it is.

http://www.thecubsfan.com/2017/04/10/throh-the-years-episode-2-the-round-robin-challenge/ We gave you time to get over your Mania week hangovers but now it's time for the second episode of ThROH The Years! We thank some listeners and use a couple of their contributions, delve into the fascinating world of what Dave Meltzer thought of indie wrestling/ROH/guys like Daniel Bryan 15 years ago, and then review ROH's second show, Round Robin Challenge. American Dragon vs. Christopher Daniels! Low Ki vs. American Dragon! Frank Talent! Talk about human excrement! Hobbes keeps his mic steady and has notes! Three hours of discussion! Come listen to the only ROH podcast that started in 2017 that ends an episode with talk of triple dating Daniel Bryan, it's ThROH The Years!

Thanks to everyone for the feedback, it's very much appreciated.

I wish those early DVDs were still in print so it would be easier for people to follow along! I would love to hear from as many people as possible who decide to watch along.

Ep 2 is up! (Link and description deeper in the thread) Pleased as punch to finally announce me and Matt Feuerstein's new ongoing podcast project: ThROH The Years. We're going to be review every ROH event (Until we get tired of it) starting from the first show. Obviously the timing has turned out to be great/strange, and I think 15 years is just long enough to where these shows can be looked back at from a fresh perspective. To the best of my knowledge no one else is doing it yet in podcast form either. Where The Big Boys play is a show Matt and I are fans of and an obvious influence. First episode is up, a nearly 160 minute whopper where we discuss ROH as a whole and our history with the company before we review the first ROH show ever: The Era of Honor Begins. It features Super Crazy vs. Eddie Guerrero, Low Ki vs. Bryan Danielson vs. Christopher Daniels, Spanky holding a bag of Wendy's, Eric The Towel Boy, and the most homophobic segment in pro wrestling history. It was a ton of fun to make. It was my first time hosting and I feel I was slightly rough but I'll get better and overall I think we made a nice little podcast for you to listen to. Write to us with any comments or questions at [email protected] or hey, by posting here. And please somebody tell me what Spanky orders from Wendy's, seriously. http://www.thecubsfan.com/2017/03/26/throh-the-years-episode-1-the-era-of-honor-begins/

I told myself I wouldn't bump my post until I had built up somewhat of a library. NOW IS THAT TIME. Between the fact that I am a slow writer and family issues, I haven't written as much as I'd like, but the site now has over 20 whole shows reviewed, and a handy sorted list tab to find exactly what you want to read. Every PWG release from this year is up there, along with a mess of Evolve, and fun stuff like the SCI 2016, NEW Wrestling Under The Stars V, and even a CZW show. My reviews don't use star ratings but in recent months I have switched to a similar word based ranking system that I explain in my "About" tab. My reviews are long, but don't recap the action move for move, it's all just thoughts and opinions. Every review ends with a show summary and a ranking of the matches from best to worst, with brief summaries of the full match reviews, so if you don't want spoilers you can read that for a quick recommendation, watch the show, and then come back for in depth thoughts. Or don't. Don't do anything you don't want to do! https://workthehands.wordpress.com/

I third this. The few minutes during the WING segment where Dave, Kris and Bix just went on tangents about obscure 00s indy guys made me want a whole Exile on the subject with the three of them.

I like long shows. One of the advantages of the form is that there's no time constraints. Does it mean that I have a huge backlog of podcasts I want to listen to? Yes, but I'd rather have too much entertainment than too little. Quite frankly, even if all podcasts were thirty minutes, there'd still be too much good stuff to fit into my day. The nice thing about the PTBN podcasts is that most of them focus on older wrestling, so there's no real rush to listen to a show immediately. That said, I think timestamps are great for shows that cover a lot of topics. Allowing people to easily skip parts of a show they may not be interested in is a big help.

Hey, I just started a new blog devoted to reviewing whole indy shows. Just finished PWG All Star Weekend 11 and am going to work my way through Lemmy and Bowie before I start on Evolve. Do you like words? There are some words. https://workthehands.wordpress.com/

I'm a little over halfway through the DVDVR podcast and it is a glorious trainwreck. Everyone making fun of their own lists. Everyone making fun of each other's lists. Everyone making fun of Dean. Will constantly trying to get Dean to give more than a five word justification on why he ranked anybody and then calling him senile. A great show so far.

I feel like this show should have been posted in one massive podcast just to throw the gauntlet down to the Zellners and Lapsed Fans of the world that a new bar has been set in the great wrestling podcast length wars.