Mad Dog Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 So with Batista hurt, Christian in TNA and Eddie passing away there's a huge void left on Smackdown. If Benoit walks this month that's another upper card guy down. This leaves JBL, Matt Hardy, Rey Misterio, Booker T and Randy Orton as the main guys left. So what do they do. Finally end the split or import Raw stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spaceman Spiff Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 If there was ever a time for them to seriously push the cruiser division, this is it. London, Kendrick, Mexicools, Kid Kash, Scotty, Funaki are already on the main roster. Move Helms over, call up Knoble. Use Funaki & Scotty as jobbers in the division, and push the talented guys. Don't have them be fodder for the big guys. Move Shelton and/or Conway over to SD for a fresh start. Bring Doug Basham back up. Maybe move Chavo back to SD. Call up a few talented guys from OVW, and make all these guys carry the US Title division. Push the tag team division. They have plenty of teams on the SD side to make it work. Use London/Kendrick & Mexicools here if they don't have anything going on in the cruiser division. Dump the mini's bullshit. Dump the Boogeyman. With the cruisers/tag/US Title guys, there should be plenty to hold up the lower & mid card. Bump Rey, Hardy, and Book up to ME. I'm pretty sure they'll do everything they can to keep Benoit around in the wake of Eddie's passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 I could see them offering Benoit another lowball deal thinking he'll be too upset to fight them over a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest savagerulz Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 I genuinely think they couldn't do any worse than just overpush a couple of guys like Lashley and Kennedy. They need to start throwing some things about and hoping someone catches fire. Both have the potential to do so. Cruiserweight's? Nobody's going to care about that division no matter what they do with them and Vince isn't going to stop them being restricted in what they do so they'll pale in comparison with TNA's X division. I'd be more tempted to scrap the Cruiser's all round than to worry about pushing them more. Tag division's non existent and again, don't see how it's gonna be saved or people are gonna start caring about that either. Book in the main event's a bad idea in my book and would only serve to demonstrate how weak SD is. He's just not main event quality anymore, he's really not. As for Rey and Hardy? It's possible to work. With Baista out injured they need a new World Champion. So I'd actually do the thing they rarely do these days and have him forfeit because of the injury. Have a 16 man title tournament They need Taker to start putting people over. Feeding him the roster to squash never does them any favours. And yeah, I really think it's time to just take a gamble and overpush a couple of guys. The Rey's, Taker's, JBL's, Benoit's are as over as they're ever gonna be. They need competition up there. Push Lashley and Kennedy to the moon, in different ways. I'd love to think they could work the Cruiser's properly but they won't, so forget about them. And the tag division can just carry on doing what it's doing. Vince will only start breaking up any of the tag teams that get over for singles feuds anyway in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Lashley is in no way ready to be above a mid-carder. He barely has a grasp on how to work and he'd die horribly in a match longer than 5 minutes. Kennedy's ok but I don't think his gimmick has staying power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest savagerulz Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Why at this stage does he need a match longer than 5 minutes? Have him tear up the roster squashing people left right and centre, and off screen have him working with the Benoit's to learn how to work better for when you get that big pay off monster trainwreck with Batista when he returns. And Kennedy, the gimmick does't need to have staying power. He comes across as a guy who can play face, or heel, and who could take on most gimmicks and get them over. He's fine as he is for a while, if they keep pushing him. It's no good trying to get the Rey's, Taker's, Benoit's, Hardy's over when to an extent they already are, and are as over as they'll ever be at this point in all of their careers. SD needs new stars, so you either have to ship some over or work with what you've got. Creating new main eventers is what's needed, not fooling around too much with the existing ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Because, you can't have five minute matches as upper card stuff for PPVs. If Lashley hits the higher cards he has to start selling. Kennedy will have to be completely repackaged when this gimmick dies out. You can't push completely unproven talent to the top. They've been on Smackdown for a couple of months. You don't need to totally burn through years of their careers because of an injury and a death. Plus they've shown no capacity to carry a show on their backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest savagerulz Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Because, you can't have five minute matches as upper card stuff for PPVs. If Lashley hits the higher cards he has to start selling. I'm not saying he'll be working any upper card PPV matches for a while anyway. I'm saying have him kill jobbers and build him up. Then maybe a brutal yet short match on PPV with someone like Holly, leading into the clash of the monsters when Batista returns. Hell, even have him kill Benoit if he's still around, who could definitely put on a decent match with him. Besides, Goldberg, and Jeff Hardy, are decent case in point that you don't need to have much cnocept of how to work a great 25 minute masterpiece, and still be over and credible. Kennedy will have to be completely repackaged when this gimmick dies out. I don't see that at all, not at all. I liken him a lot to the Rock, and the Rock was never ever really repackaged as such, just jus slowly evolved and as one line or thing he was doing grew stale he'd tweak slightly to adjust. That's how I see Kennedy and I really don't think he'd need a complete overhaul at all, ever. You can't push completely unproven talent to the top. Goldberg They've been on Smackdown for a couple of months. But with the development that these guys get, and the talent around to work with them, I don't see how that's a problem? I think you misunderstand me anyway, I'm not saying get the belt on either of them, I'm saying build them and create new main event stars. Surely you can agree that's neccessary, whether you agree with who I'm talking about or not? I'm not saying stick Kennedy into the main event on SD, or on PPV tomorrow. I'm saying push him so that he gets there quickly, same goes for Lashley. You don't need to totally burn through years of their careers because of an injury and a death. No, you don't, but things move quickly these days. This isn't the 70's and 80's where nobody won World Title's unless they'd been around a few years. SD needs new stars, it can't rely simply on the existing ones it has, not at all, that's proven by the fact that SD sucks and they've not really created any new talent, not at a higher level. SD needed new stars created anyway, that is now even more apparent. I don't see what's so wrong with Taker putting someone over for once, and it being Kennedy after a decently written well worked programme between the two. Plus they've shown no capacity to carry a show on their backs. Who has after a few months on SD? Hate to point out to you but at this point neither has anyone else on SD either. Taker can't anymore. JBL can't do it without the right talent around him. Rey's a complete no no to carry any show on his back. Matt HArdy? Please. Booker T's midcard all over. Holly's over, but never the guy to carry any show. And Orton's potentially right for that slot but he still needs to be pushed right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Famous Mortimer Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Goldberg had way more of an idea how to work when he got to the main event than Lashley does at the moment. He may not have been all that bothered about wrestling, but he did what he had to do well. You dismiss the cruisers, and Vince being Vince you're probably right to do so, but he's made some great tag teams in the past and has used them very well. I don't see why a few teams linking themselves up, repackaging themselves as a team and maybe drafting in a few managers won't work, and nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest savagerulz Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Goldberg had way more of an idea how to work when he got to the main event than Lashley does at the moment. Yes but when Goldberg was in this part of his career, the same as Lashley, he had no more of a concept of how to work a match. Push him hard, and he has time to learn. Again, I don't think I'm making my point that clear. I'm not saying have him main event tomorrow, I'm saying push him hard now to get to the main event quickly, a la Goldberg. You dismiss the cruisers, and Vince being Vince you're probably right to do so Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if it was different but it's just not. If Vince put some stock into them, let them go, and gave them some meaningful storylines as well as not having them facing each other one week, and jobbing to the heavyweights the following week, then there's bags of potential there. I just don't see it happening. but he's made some great tag teams in the past and has used them very well. I don't see why a few teams linking themselves up, repackaging themselves as a team and maybe drafting in a few managers won't work, and nicely. Again, I can see bags of potential in doing so, I just don't personally see it happening. Sure they've tried harder in that respect and are getting back to having some genuine teams and a genuine division but the tag division, more than any other, just gets killed by the brand split in my opinion. One show a week isn't enough to promote a division that should really consist of 10-14 or so solid teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Some Guy Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Goldberg had way more of an idea how to work when he got to the main event than Lashley does at the moment. He may not have been all that bothered about wrestling, but he did what he had to do well. Granted, I've only seen one Lashley squash but he seems to be at about the same level Goldberg was when he was squashing jobbers on his way to becoming the second biggest star in wrestling in 1998. Lashley could be a huge star if pushed properly. The only problem is that he will most likley run into the "Goldberg" chants like Lesnar did when he was getting the "Goldberg Push." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SweetMama Scaat Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 How bout they jus keep doing what theyre doing but without batista, christian and eddy... Lashley and Kennedy jus showed up and need time to improve their craft. We all know how Goldberg went from household name to embarassing industry joke. The last thing WWE needs to do with them is one of their stupid super pushes where A wrestler is main eventing the weekly show and is sure to be the future of wrestling and then the guys jus end up at the bottom of the midcard again in three months. One of these days you guys are gonna have to explain to me why everybody and their mama thinks that ending the roster split is gonna magically save WWE and world wrestling entertainment will produce an epic rennaisance. Shitty people in charge, piss poor writing and terrible real life tragedies are still gonna be around. All ending the roster split will do will limit the workers you see. Yall can say gooodbye to the cruiserweight division and all the jobbers. If they currently wrestle on heat and velocity then they will be out of job. I wouldnt plan seeing any future stars made since their wont be ANY room to call up anybody from OVW. Yall can also take pride in knowing you got to witness the hey day of Shelton Benjamin, Chris Masters, Carlito and the rest cause with all the jobbers and jobber to the stars gone someones gonna need to lose all the curtain jerk matches. I dont mean to be a bitch, but eliminating the brand split isnt gonna do a damn thing for anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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