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This isn't much different than the other Bret/Diesel matches. Bret works over Diesel's knee. Each match in their series is more aggressive than the one before it. Nash blows a few things, but looks fine for most of this, actually. For the most part, Bret is wrestling himself, but on Bret's comebacks, Nash's selling isn't half bad. Shawn takes a bump for the highlight reel off of Bret's punch. You can tell they put a lot of thought into the layout of this match, as the last 5-7 minutes SCREAM Pat Patterson.
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Choshu/Hash is always a fun time. By always, I mean, "I really liked the one match I've seen, even though I know they've had more." But still, it's painfully obvious they match up well. Everything these two do feels life or death, and this has all the great staredowns and lariats and high kicks that you want from them locking up. I know that sounds generic, but it's true. It's not the G-1 final, but it's really good in its own right.
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Lots of fun to see NJ vs MPro. The spots weren't quite as ironed out as they would be in 1996, but this was still really enjoyable. Otani looks awesome, and keeps up with the MPro guys better than anyone on his team. The NJ payback with all the double stomps was fun, too. I wish it had gotten a bigger pop, but this crowd doesn't seem quite sure how to handle all of this until Shiryu does the sequence with Liger and Samurai that gets over great. That's followed up with a super fun dive train, with half the guys landing on the sound table at ringside, and Sasuke putting the icing on the cake. The only reason I don't hold this in quite as high regard as some might is because I know how much better the MPro guys would become. But this is still very much worth checking out.
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I know this is what ECW was all about, but mixing in the actual video with wrestling clips felt ... desperate. HEY LOOK AT US AND HOW CURRENT AND COOL WE ARE. Maybe that's unfair, but that's what I thought watching that. If the actual video wasn't spliced in, maybe I wouldn't have had that reaction, but as it stands, it looks like they're wanting us to think Public Enemy was every bit as big as Coolio at the time, and that's quite the stretch. (I realize ECW always did that, and I always thought that.)
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I am amused by Bischoff and Gene calling this like they are hosting the Macy's parade. This is the ultimate in astroturf excitement. Hogan does a drug-induced promo about bodyslamming Andre the Giant, beating Ted Turner in wrestling and creationism. "Members of the press" ask Hogan questions, but it's painfully obvious they asked bystanders who wanted to be on TV. This is all very bizarre.
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Cheesy effects, but this is a good video. They're hyping Sting up for the Clash match against Flair, in his last match that will mean anything for a long time.
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Flair cuts a good promo, but Hogan hasn't even shown up yet, and you can already see him slipping from where he was earlier in the year.
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So then was the point of this thread to point out that these fans exist? I don't get where the topic was supposed to go from there.
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It's cool that the Guardian Angels, a really good organization, got so much TV time from this Ray Traylor makeover.
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I thought he already had two strikes.
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Jake is the best interview of the year. Even Dirty White Boy has stepped up his game on the mic the last couple of weeks just to keep up, and he was already a strong promo. Either this one or the one last week is the best one he has ever done.
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Morton does a great promo giving Candido and Lee the what for about the upcoming series of unsanctioned piledriver matches. Morton asks for Tammy to come out. She obliges, but seems nervous. Robert Gibson sneaks up behind her and pours ... fertilizer?? ... on her and we now know that Jim Cornette loves to book babyfaces pouring crap on Tammy. He's done it in two promotions.
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Doug Gilbert is out in Brian Christopher's face. After watching the best UWFI show I've ever seen, Christopher standing there making silly faces while Doug tries to provoke him is lame. Once Doug is out of the way, this gets much better. 1994 USWA is weird for me in that I like most of the parts individually, but when I think about the collective, I'm generally negative. Not sure how to explain that. One of my famed Nuanced Opinions , I guess. The best part of this is hearing Cory Maclin say ri-dick-uh-lus. Doug is back in right after the match, but Lawler makes the save.
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This was a match where I didn't appreciate what they were doing until we got to the final ten minutes and I realized how good of a job they had done building this. It felt like they were just laying stationary much of the time, but I think what they were aiming for was more to do a slower, less-is-more main event to get the crowd rocking, and they succeeded. This is one I'll likely rewatch when I go through all the 90s yearbooks at the end, because I could see it getting better with repeated viewings. Everything has so much meaning in the final few minutes that it made me appreciate the slower opening much more. Not anywhere near the top of UWFI matches for matwork, but really well constructed, and for once, I get why Takada is so over. Similar to Bull Nakano vs Devil Masami in '93 for me in that when you see the finished product, it makes the stuff you weren't sure about during the match better. Builds like a high-quality U.S. main event.
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Tamura goes for a slap right away, Vader takes off the head gear in frustration, the crowd starts a big "TA-MU-RA!" chant and I guess things are about to get really fun. Tamura gets in a few shots, but wrestles very hesitantly, while all Vader has to do is swat him like a fly and he goes halfway across the ring. Tamura spends the next few minutes ducking and running, but Vader corners him. You think it's all over but the cryin', but Tamura makes a surprise comeback out of the corner. He's getting in a few quick kicks, and you keep expecting the tide to turn in Vader's favor, and it doesn't. Once Vader starts in with the strikes, Tamura suffers, but he's still way more in the fight than you expect. Vader bomb and this is history. This is a very good, very fun match, and in some ways is like a UWFI version of the Vader/Dustin Clash match.
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Kakihara looks awesome here. I'm looking forward to seeing his early 00s AJ and NJ stuff. Sakuraba looks good too, but doesn't really look like the star he would become. Lydick does an awesome German suplex on Sakuraba, and they get the traditional pro wrestling rhythm really going from there, as Nelson tags in and they start working him over. There is a lot of drama near the end of this, with Sakuraba making a dramatic comeback and getting the hot tag to Kakihara. Yes, the hot tag in UWFI, and the crowd eats it up. Lydick running in and eating a kick would have put this on another level of awesome, but this was still superb. In the final few minutes, Sakuraba is tagged back in and eats another few suplexes which look really nasty while Kakihara encourages him, Lydick taunts the crowd, they do a post-match altercation and yes, this is very, very, very pro wrestling.
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I don't mind generic opinions. To me, they're no better or worse than outlier opinions. As long as you explain why something is your opinion, that's fine with me. And if you don't, and you say something like "I dunno why I like it. I just do,"* then my reaction would probably be something along the lines of "Yeah, sometimes it can be hard to explain why certain things resonate more strongly than others."* But I'm not a very confrontational person. *Please note that neither of these quotes is intended to serve as an exact representation of anything that anyone has said. Please also note that I am not ruling out the possibility that someone, somewhere, actually has said these things. No worries, Gregor, I have no desire to troll you.
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I want to try to work those things into daily conversation. "It's raining again! Ugh, damn Russo! Everything is his fault."
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In the future, if something is a paraphrase, indicate that. It shouldn't go in quotes. You went from direct quotes, to telling me 4-5 people say this in every single thread on other message boards where divisive topics are discussed, to "You know what I mean." I honestly don't have a clue. Wrestling is pretty easy to understand. The idea that you have to be part of it to understand it is silly. That doesn't mean we know everything, but no one knows everything about wrestling. The last people whose opinions I care about are wrestlers. I don't even know any wrestlers. I like what I like. I don't like what I don't like. I usually post about it either way. That's it. It's not some attempt to change wrestling, or hope that someone in power reads my posts and has an epiphany that they have been doing everything wrong. That's awfully egocentric. Who cares if we're mislabeled by people in wrestling? Many wrestlers apparently think all pro sports are worked. We don't own their opinions, and there's nothing we can do about their opinions.
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He said they were exact quotes! I seek to understand.
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I'm not going there. Why purposely open myself up to something that you say I won't like? But I refuse to believe that anyone would actually say, word for word, that everything is Vince Russo's fault. Everything? Hunger? Political corruption? The lack of good radio stations? The collapse of the banking system?
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Someone actually said, in those words, that a match isn't good unless it's a 30 minute spotfest? People in wrestling have really thin skin and look down on people who aren't in wrestling. I'm not sure they should care what we think, nor am I sure we should care what they think. By whom?