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As somebody who was in a fight or two or a dozen in his teenage years... did Bill Watts cover the wrestler's bail, court cost, and medical bills resulting from said fights he encouraged? As a grown man, I find fighting moronic. There is no winning from fighting. Also, like I said, wouldn't a guy like Dibiase, who was a heel and cheated to win every match with a loaded glove, wouldn't him whipping ass in a bar fight (which as a former college football player he was more than capable of) or the Midnight Express and Cornette whipping somebody's ass expose the business? I get why a promoter would in theory want their badass guys like Steve Williams or Dick Murdoch in street fights for street cred, but why the guys who cheat to win?
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I haven't seen anybody mention Kevin Steen/Owens. I hate him more than I hate Davey Richards. I hate him for all the same reasons that I hate Davey Richards. I don't see how you could enjoy Owens' matches and dislike Richards' matches, they suck for all the same reasons.
Masahiro Chono. Not a fan. Everything after the neck injury in 91 kinda sucks. I mean I'm not even that wild about his matches that have been really hyped.
Abdullah the Butcher. The only Abby matches I enjoy at all is the feud against the Funks in AJPW.
Yoshinari Ogawa. Awful, just awful.
Ian Rotten. Have no clue why some people around here hype him. I have a hard time suspending disbelief when the wrestler is this out of shape and unathletic. It becomes even harder when the wrestler tries to work a BattlArts type match.
I'd like to see a thread for wrestlers we love but nobody else does.
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I honestly think Meltzer makes a lot of stuff up. Seriously. He has a column and a podcast to fill, so he just guesses.
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Here is something I've always thought... If a wrestler is a chickenshit heel, wouldn't you want him to try to talk his way out of any bar fight, so that he looks like chickenshit even at the bar? And if they wrestler is a white meat babyface, don't you want that guy carry himself in public with some class and be above getting into bar fights? Just some thought.
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So the top guys who are out - Cena, Bryan, Orton, Rollins, and Sting. Is that about right?
Who is left? Reigns, Brock, Taker, HHH, Jericho, Rock (maybe), Sheamus, Del Rio, Owens? I can't see any combination of those 9 guys headlined by Reigns vs HHH selling 105,000 tickets.
There is a rumor out there that Bryan has been cleared by WWE and they are just playing everything close to the vest until Royal Rumble where Bryan will be a surprise entrant and win the title.
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Aight so fantasy booking CMLL main event scene for the next two years ahead I have it something like this.
Right now they have Caristico and Mistico tagging together. Sometime in the next month or two Caristico turns on Mistico, rips off his mask, beats the shit out of him. Cuts a promo saying its his mask and fuck the fake Mistico basically. Caristico is now a rudo. They begin the build towards Caristico vs Mistico Mask v Mask at the Anniversary Show.
Rush and the rest of Los Ungobernables beat the shit out of Super Porky for no appearent reason other than because they can. Maximo makes the save. Begins build toward Rush vs Maximo hair v hair at the Anniversary Show as a secondary aupusta match.
Bushi comes over for his excursion drops his title to Dragon Lee.
83rd Anniversary Show Main event is Mask vs Mask Caristico over Mistico. Semi Mains are Rush over Maximo Hair vs Hair and Dragon Lee defending Lightweight and Welterweight titles. After Mistico loses Rush comes out defending his brother, the way he came out defending La Sombra last year. Only Caristico doesn't carry himself with class and Rush and Caristico brawl. Los Ingobernables cease to be a thing.
After the Anniversary Show, Rush is now a technico teaming with his brothers. The build is towards Rush vs Caristico at the 84th Anniversary Show.
Sometime over the winter of 2016-17 Dragon Lee drops his welterweight belt to Caristico.
Throughout 2017 Caristico fueds with the Gonzalez brothers leading to him taking Rush's hair at the 84th Anniversary show.
After taking Rush's hair, the build shifts to Mask vs Mask Caristico vs Atlantis at the 85th Anniversary.
Does that make sense? If it does would that prevent CMLL from doing it?
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As a truly WWE inside joke/rebranding, AJ Styles should get a country trucker gimmick with "I've been everywhere" as his theme music.
AJ Styles, (maybe) Daniel Bryan, and Samoa Joe in WWE in 2016. What a time to be alive.
Out of the guys from the early 2000s indy boom who has been the most places? Danielson? Punk? Joe? Ki? AJ? Daniels? Corino? Cabana?
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Styles and Nakamura are obvious talents to me. I see Nakamura as being one of the only 2 or 3 Japanese guys capable of drawing real money outside of Japan. There aren't many 6'9" guys that move the way that Gallows moves and are as skilled as he is, so for me, he's a 6'8"- 6'9". He's always reminded me of Kane in that regard, so he makes total sense. As for Anderson, I kind of see him as a mechanic. But he's not even as good or as big as some of the mechanics they already have.
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The Sandman Raven feud was good tv. The angles, the characters, the promos were all relateable for a male audience. I feel the exact opposite way about what ROH is trying to do.
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They had to have opened their wallets for Styles in a big way in order for the jump to make sense for Styles.
Oh yeah. Whats Styles asking price on the indies? I've heard between $3,000 and $4,000 an appearance. Multiply that by 80 to 90 matches a year for the past two years and that is somewhere around $240k to $360k a year that the WWE has to at least match for it to make sense financially.
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Bill Watts saying a black man is only good for shining shoes and carrying a white mans bags. Racism gets heat I get it, but it was the spring/summer after MLK had been shot and he was wrestling Bobo in Washington DC. The city had just been burnt to the ground in the riots. Seriously whole neighborhoods in DC didn't recover for 30 some years from the civil unrest of that spring and Bill Watts was cutting racist promos like 6 weeks later to promote his feud with Bobo.
Fritz forging his dead sons' (sons plural) autographs on 8 by 10s and selling them is probably the slimiest Fritz one for me.
Col Parker managing Harlem Heat.
Terrorist Angle on 7/7
Anytime any wrestler has a well known very public drinking/drug problem, it becomes part of their storyline and a promotional tool. That sickens me. Jake Roberts, Hawk, Scott Hall, etc.
Any of the hypocritical shit WWF/E does.
-Firing Hulk Hogan when the company has Donald Trump in the Hall of Fame and has had countless racist gimmicks over the years.
-Doing a PR campaign "Stand By the WWE" for the company right when Linda was running for senate to try and white wash the fact that she was on a show that was 1 step above Springer for several years.
-That they did the "Be A Star" anti bullying campaign when they were the same company that had the Vince McMahon kiss my ass club... I cant see anybody but Vince McMahon getting any pleasure out of that. I know I didn't.
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Ah... just looked at the map and saw my home state as half white half Crockett... did not see the fantasy booking forum... Sorry
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As its been told to me by people older than I, my home state Maryland, was kind of up for grabs in 83-86. People have told me that they attended WWF, Mid-Atlantic, Georgia, and Florida shows in either Landover or Baltimore during that 2 to 3 year time period.
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Anybody point me to where I can watch the show with Japanese commentary? Kevin Kelly and Striker make this unwatchable.
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Brody vs Hogan, Gordy vs Hogan
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Streak or no streak, Cena vs Undertaker at WM is still the biggest possible match WWE could make. Tell me, did Mayweather vs Paquiao stop being a huge draw just because Paquiao lost twice and was over the hill?
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Mania is Cena vs Taker and Brock vs Reigns. CMLL Anniversio is Carastico vs Atlantis mask vs mask or Carastico vs Rush mask vs hair. Bryan Danielson ends up in NJPW. Timothy Thatcher and AJ Styles end up in NXT.
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Volk Han, Dragon Lee, Jerry Lawler. Lee is only 19. Lawler went from setting up the ring, to being a ref, to wrestling in a matter of weeks. He had his first main event feud like 2 years in.
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Going with ones nobody has mentioned-
Austin vs Brock
RVD vs Austin
Cena vs Undertaker
Hogan vs Rude
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Man did I love this back in 8th grade. ECW TV had just came to my area earlier that summer so this was my first time seeing ECW PPV. As a bunch of 8th graders growing bored of WCW and WWF we all loved this. We loved the angle to set up the 3 way dance, we loved the crazy crowd, we loved Awesome and Tanaka murdering each other. I mark this PPV, this angle and this match in particular, as the point where I really fell in love with wrestling.
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Here's the thing about Ian Rotten to me at least. I've seen a few of his hyped Mid South "trailer trash RINGS" "methlab BattlArts" matches and in all of them at some point there a moment that is business exposing. He is so clumsy, so awkward, so lacking in actual shoot ability required for shoot style matches, that anything beyond punch kick stuff is business exposing. Yeah in the Hero match both guys sell the knee like it was shot, and the shoot headbutts are cool, beyond that everything is so clumsy and is such obvious cooperation that it is borderline unwatchable. He isn't even the best Rotten.
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Hope its alright that I start a new topic being a new guy.
There is no Ogawa thread on this board and he's one of my personal favorites. He was involved in probably my favorite fued in NJPW with Hashimoto. He had a handful of random awesome matches with different people in the early to mid 2000s in NJPW, Zero 1 and Hustle. He was a legit shooter. A legit badass in an age when MMA was becoming a thing and legit tough guys in puroresu were scarce. His heel work against Hashimoto, Misawa, Kawada, etc is awesome. He just had that presence. He had an ear for the crowd. Also his gaga/ crowd work was outstanding. He oozed charisma. Just imagine how big he would have been had he not lost to Fedor in the mannor in which he did. I know he was no longer the draw he once was at that point, but losing in a minute to Fedor stripped him of his baddass aura. Anyways I'm a fan. Many people are not and throw around sayings like "cancerous to the business" Just wanted to see where people here stand.
Recommend watching-
4/12/97 vs Hashimoto (debut)
3/5/97 vs Hashimoto
1/4/99 vs Hashimoto (this one turns ugly)
10/11/99 vs Hashimoto
1/4/00 w/ Murakami vs Hashimoto and Iizuka
4/7/00 vs Hashimoto
4/18/01 w/ Murakami vs Misawa and Rikio
6/41/01 vs Fujiwara
5/2/03 w/ Hashimoto vs Muto and Kojima
7/6/03 w/ Hashimoto vs Muto and Kawada
12/14/03 vs Kawada
1/4/04 vs Goldberg
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I'd rank them Misawa, Kawada, Kobashi, Taue. I would have all 4 as top 10 to 20 all time.
Bill Watts and wrestlers in bar fights
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2 things first- first cost money- medical bills, bail, court costs, lawyer fees, etc. Did Bill Watts cover this as a business expense or did he just have his wrestlers go fight guys and leave his employees out to dry after encouraging them to break the law? It doesn't make sense from financial prespective. Second as I've stated if your gimmick is a pussy, why would you be getting into bar fights if you aren't the fighting type. If your character is a classy good guy, why would you be getting into bar fights? So it doesn't make sense to me from a kayfabe point of view either.