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  1. Thanks OJ. Thats why I love this board, I'm always learning. I knew the Rikidozan movie didn't do well at the box office but I just assumed that's because it was poorly reviewed and not very good. Its interesting because I always thought Rikidozan and Kimura were the cultural equivalent of Jessie Owens, Babe Didrickson, Jackie Robinson, Lou Gerhig, Joe Louis, or Muhammed Ali in the states. Athletes who are still house hold names over a half century later because of their contribution not just to their sport but to American society as a whole. Which Japanese professional athletes are on that level of cultural and historical signifigance?
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    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    Except they haven't legitimately sold the Dome out since 2003. They did respectable numbers with Jericho vs Omega, Omega vs Okada and Omega vs Tanahashi but they weren't sell outs.
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    2020 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    100%. If the argument for Kenny Omega being in the HOF is his drawing power in New Japan then Devitt, Styles, and Jay White all should be in as well as they drew similar attendance figures when in that same spot as the top gajin heel. Really the better argument for him as a draw in Japan is the attendance figures for DDT. They managed to sell 11,000 seats at the Budokan with him on top! The only other Westerners who impacted a Japanese indie's attendance figures like that were Terry Funk and Mick Foley.
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    All Elite Wrestling

    Ok so I think this got side tracked. My question was more the mechanics of how and why guys signed to ROH/Impact/MLW/etc aren't appearing on AEW as there isn't a scheduling conflict. Because there seems to be a couple dozen really talented guys working in the US right now who AEW isn't using and who appearing once every week or two wouldn't interfer with any of their other bookings or commitments. Now Rovert said that ROH and Impact have contracts that exclude their wrestlers from appearing else where on TV. And I ask how is that possible for a company that only runs 40 dates a year (in the best of years) to tell their independent contractors what they can and cannot do on the other 325 days of the year? I wasn't trying to open up debate as to whether or not Sami Callihan would do better in that "lower card jobber that gets some offense in" spot than Janela does (the answer is yes by such a wide margin that I didn't know we could debate this). I instead was was just wondering why we aren't seeing more guys under contract elsewhere like a Sami Callihan (or the other dozen of examples I listed) make an appearance on AEW Dynamite from time to time.
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    All Elite Wrestling

    Awesome answer... now how could a company like ROH/Impact/MLW/etc that runs less than 40 dates a year dictate who and where their independent contractors work for on nights where they don't run shows? Doesn't that violate independent contractor status and how would small companies be able to get away with doing that?
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    All Elite Wrestling

    I've said it here before about the AEW roster... Which of those guys I threw out there would be able to defend themselves if the average drunk fan came at them? O? That's what makes them indie sleaze, being on TNT for the last 18 months doesn't make them credible all of the sudden. The fact that they have been doing indie shit on TNT instead of an American Legion Hall for the past 18 months doesn't change the fact that they are indie wrestling acts and aren't credible as actual professional athletes. That is my point, instead of having a bunch of regular guys playing pro wrestler filling up the undercard and making portions of the show look bush league, why not co-operate with some of the "bigger indies" and use their top guys to fill up those spots with actual pro wrestlers. But if we can't agree that untrained guys like Joey Janela and Jack Evans aren't real pro wrestlers but ordinary guys playing pro wrestler like we all did in the backyard as kids then we will never agree on anything in modern wrestling.
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    All Elite Wrestling

    But they do look totally second rate with some of the guys on their roster. They look incredibly indie when they got 20 guys on their active roster not good enough to land in one of the indies that has TV. So why not use guys who work in the top indies that have TV? why only use guys who work lower level indies. Would they look more indie if guys like Rush, Jacob Fatu, Davey Smith Jr., Briscoe Brothers, Rhino, Joe Doering, Sami Callihan, LA Park, King Mo, Tom Lawlor, Brian Pillman Jr, Dragon Lee, Bandido, Good Brothers, Ken Shamrock, Nick Aldis, etc were filling out the roster as opposed to guys like Private Party, Best Friends, Kip Sabian, Super Smash Bros, Hybrid2, Luther, Marko Stunt, Joey Janela, etc, etc..... I think their product would look far less indie and far more main stream and far more professional is my point so why don't they use some of those guys, its not like they are doing anything on Wednesday's is point.
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    All Elite Wrestling

    Something I haven't understood about AEW from day 1. They run every Wednesday and 1 Saturday every 4 months... so how is it that they don't use guys under contract to ROH, MLW, Impact, NWA, etc? MJF and Thunder Rosa are the only exception of a workers under contract somewhere else that they've used. It doesn't make sense seeing as how there would never be a scheduling conflict. It leaves them filling out their mid card and bottom of the card with guys who work the bottom barrel indies instead of the top indies. It just doesn't make sense to me.
  9. Yeah Jake Hager presents a lot of same problems that legit shooters who can't work present. He's 6'7" and as legit of an athlete as there is in wrestling so by old school logic there's no way he should do any jobs to anybody, ever, under any circumstances. But at the same time, even after 15 years of experience, he still looks pretty green and inexperienced at times so there is no way he can go over anybody of worth. Plus you add in that he can't talk and is unreliable and he can't be anywhere near a main event, even though he's one of the 3 or 4 most legit guys in all of wrestling. I actually think AEW has done a great job with him just using him as a heater for Jericho.
  10. Those 2 posts are more of an explanation of what's going on than I got last night. Its just like I tune in to Raw probably once every 3 weeks or so and the guys who were wrestling each other 3 weeks before are now teaming up and vise versa with no explaination of what happened or who to root for or who to boo. It just doesn't make any sense. I can nitpick the gaps in AEW's bookings logic to death but at least there seems to be some sort of a plan there. WWE nothing makes any sense at all.
  11. I've been watching for the past hour and absolutely nothing makes sense. Nothing has explained through vinegettes and promos or by the announcers. Nothing that happened seems to be going anywhere that won't be forgotten in a week. I can't tell who the faces and heels are. Its just bad.
  12. Not really. The win over Blassie happened in 62, and yeah it was Rikidozan's first clean win against an American champion and probably only his 3rd or 4th clean singles victory over any big name American so it absolutely legitimized him but by that point Rikidozan was already a national hero. It was being part of the first nationally televised sporting event in 1954 vs the Sharpes and the subsequent rematches that really are considered the most historically important part of his career. I'm not sure I'd put the Blassie match ahead of the Thez tour of 1957 either. Rikidozan and Thez went broadway 8 times in two weeks in sold out baseball stadiums across the country.
  13. Rikidozan and Kimura vs Sharpe Brothers is taught in school. It came up in a couple of different college courses I took. Globalization of Sporting Cultures and History of World Sports. I took some interesting electives in college. Anyways my understanding from those classes is that Rikidozan and Kimura are taught in school in Japan similar to how Muhamed Ali vs Joe Fraiser is mentioned in a US history class as a reflection of the civil unrest and turmoil of the 1960s and 1970s and the waning popularity of the Veitnam War etc. In that same way Rikidozan and Kimura vs the Sharpe Brothers is discussed in a Japan History class as a reflection of post WWII era Japan and the effects of the American occupation and rise of television, etc. Somebody who actually lives in Japan (looking at you Gordi) feel free to correct me or elaborate. So I don't think Meltzer is off based at all. But I could be wrong.
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    AEW Full Gear 2020

    Tag title match was very, very good. It lived up to the years and years of hype behind it. Everything else ranged from watchable to good. The buy in was good and aimed at talking people on the fence into buying the show rather than getting a bunch of random guys a pay day. Thats what I like about AEW, they don't seem to repeat their misteps. They make a lot of misteps but not the same one twice. The opener was good, and I'm digging the long term booking of Omega eventually beating Mox a year a half after their first match, and having Hangman chase him that whole time. Orange Cassidy and Silver was not bad, good for what it was it was. Darby and Cody was fun, I liked the surprise finish and the little angle afterwards to set up TV matches going forward for the next couple of months. Weakest match on the show was the women's title match, and while it wasn't good it was at least watchable and nobody got seriously hurt which is a win for a Nyla Rose match. Like I said earlier, the tag match was really, really good and the finish left the door open for more from these two teams down the road. The Hardy skit/match was a perfect break from wrestling after the emotional roller coaster of the tag title match. MJF vs Jericho was solid. I think this was the best MJF match I've seen and I really like the finish. The main event was brutal. Honestly for me it may have been a little too much as the match just seemed to unravel a little bit as soon as the barbed wire bat and thumbtacks came out, but then they managed to tie it all together in the finish. All in all a good show that likely set up several more good shows to follow.
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    AEW Full Gear 2020

    Mox and Kingston talked me into buying it this past week. The build up to Revival vs Bucks and Omega vs Hangman has been so convoluted and so poorly done that ultimately I think it will actually hurt the PPV. 2 months ago I could tell you why those matches needed to happen and I had some sort of emotional attachment. After all the twists and turns and break ups and make up I don't remember why Revival and Bucks are fighting in the first place and I don't remember why I wanted to see Hangman beat up Omega 3 months ago... BUT MOX vs Kingston, that's been bringing me back these past few weeks and will get me to buy the PPV.
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