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If I can figure out how to post spoiler tags, I'll post the lists discussed so people can follow along with the shows easier.

This is exactly what this is about!!!!! Listen to the Hales brothers! Gonna try and do a Hales brothers episode of the reaction show soon.

I love Johnny. This series isn't about Johnny... or elliot being high.

I had Michaels on my list and don't regret it a bit. The Rockers were pretty awesome in AWA and were easily the best tag team in the late 80s and early 90s in wwf. Plus, I still love his heel run in 97. His big matches post return may be overrated but I like his pre 98 stuff enough that he made his way on my list.

When you want people to listen to a show, you don't apologize and tell people you were stoned doing it. Christ.

Yeah, I'll try and record it again but no promises. I had computer problems trying to record Scarlet Left. I had to beg to get the other 4 shows done.

Everybody is going to take hits now. I have 39 of the top 40 left.

Here are three podcasts I recorded for the GWE project. I had a 4th recorded with El Boricua but it may not be salvageable because Canadians. Anyway, here are the three that survived... #1. Will is joining in the GWE fun with a series interviewing guys who aren’t always featured on P2B podcasts with some interesting ballots, a true Island of Misfit Toys. On the first episode, Will is joined by his buddies Elliott & Brian Hammons (Mando>Eddie) to run down their ballots and defend their picks. Bobby Heenan? Ian Rotten? New Jack? Kamala? B-Boy? Why are these guys considered some of the greatest wrestlers ever? We also hear spirited cases on why 2 Cold Scorpio and El Satanico should be at the top of your list! http://placetobenation.com/good-will-wrestling-greatest-wrestler-ever-series-1/ #2. You may have heard Dylan Hales on the Reaction Shows, Wrestling Culture and many other podcasts since he is a podcast whore. You will not hear him on GWW! Instead, we have his two younger brothers, Devon and Dustin, to discuss their ballots for the Greatest Wrestler Ever! Ace Rockwell? Kyle Matthews? Tank? Shaun Tempers? Why do the Hales boys consider these guys all time greats? Plus, we hear exactly why Terry Funk means so much to the Hales family! http://placetobenation.com/good-will-wrestling-greatest-wrestler-ever-series-2/ #3. It’s a DVDVR Reunion as Will talks to Phil Schneider (Digging in the Crates), Phil Rippa and DEAN~! Rasmussen to discuss their Greatest Wrestler Ever lists. These guys haven’t talked to each other at the same time since 2008. Tons of wrestlers are name-dropped on this show including Jose Lothario, Judy Martin, Rufus R. Jones, Terry Rudge, Necro Butcher, LA Park, and William Regal!!!! The DVDVR guys have been giving wrestling opinions on the internet for more than 20 years and have forgotten more wrestling than you have ever seen! http://placetobenation.com/good-will-wrestling-greatest-wrestler-ever-series-3/ Mando's List... Elliott's List.... Devon Hales List.... Dustin Hales List.... The DEAN~! List.... Phil Schneider's List..... Rippa's List....

Damn, I had Ted at 43.

I see it this way. I wasn't involved at all in 2006, but I feel connected to this list. I'm absolutely using this as a jumping off point for my viewing over the next decade. Because of this list, I'll be delving more into WoS, Joshi, and shoot-style, all of which I didn't make a strong priority. My list represents my "base" opinion and I look forward to fill in gaps using this as a reference. As you should!!!!! In 2006, Bix had Lawler numerous one and Tim Cooke had him pretty high. I was thinking "what the fuck are these guys smoking?" I put together a sampler set and I was fucking sold. Then we did the DVDVR Memphis project and I have been in love with Memphis ever since. The 2006 list wasn't the end of my wrestling journey. It was the spark that helped me get to this point.

I don't quite see it that way. I see it more as a case where "revisionists" (for lack of a better term) don't have diametrically opposed takeaways after from watching the footage from those who did at the time. It's more that the differences in opinion from generally established canon get more discussion because they warrant more discussion. But it's not like the idea that Ric Flair or Jushin Liger is a great worker is controversial in any corner of wrestling fandom online. Brock and Kurt are surprisingly high, no doubt, but I don't think that serves as a referendum on the entire process. We spend a lot of time talking about Shawn Michaels, Kurt Angle, Tiger Mask and Hiroshi Tanahashi because the opinions some hold are a little more rare. But it's not like our ideas about All Japan in the 90s, for example, are all that controversial -- be it here or anywhere online. Nomination threads are great, but sometimes they made cases for greatness that weren't necessarily quantified. To a novice, pointing out someone's greatness may mean anything from that wrestler being a number one contender to that wrestler being somewhere non-specific on the list, which is why quantifying it is important. I'll also add that individual threads for each nominee -- and this is just a thought I had today -- fosters siloed discussions of wrestlers when the whole purpose of the project is to make comparisons. Ultimately, I think the comparison threads probably were more fruitful in terms of getting others to compare like wrestlers with unlike wrestlers. You could argue that in terms of a new way to look at and think about wrestling, this list shows how tiny what we sometimes think of as our circle really is compared to Internet-based smart wrestling fandom at large. But I'm surprised that anyone wouldn't already know that, or expect the results to show anything but that. Can you explain what you mean by quantifiable? Are you talking about a system like BIGLAV? Do you mean a list of matches or a specific length of high end output? Do y o u mean the volume of discussion that took place?

Ok... has there ever been an NXT champ that hasn't moved up to the main roster? From what I understood, Joe was signed specifically to be an NXT talent. I can't see them looking at his age and his experience with the idea of not moving him up to the main roster.

People really need to stop looking at this list as a be all end all on the debates we are having. The results aren't disappointing if you stop looking at the ranks as "Who is better". Dick Murdoch ended up as 53. I ranked him 11. DEAN ranked him 3. Nobody on earth is going to be able to prove to Dean Rasmussen that 50 other wrestlers are really better than Dick Murdoch. However, people who value Deans opinion are going to seek out more Murdoch or Ray Gonzalez or LA Park. So Jim Breaks didn't crack the Top 50? So What??? People a couple of years from now will find this list, look at Breaks in the Top 100, see all the glowing praise, and seek him out. The list isn't the end of a journey. It's the beginning.

Murdoch isn't a PWO favorite. He is more of a DVDVR favorite.

Did Angle pop up yet? Did you put Angle on your list.

It's not 2 Cold Scorpio either

I think that is the issue. I think only 57% of voters have watched enough Memphis. I noticed when I did the podcasts that half of the ballots were missing Lawler and Dundee only appeared on a couple. Memphis isn't for everybody and I am ok with that.

I am not blaming Jericho for that. I blame Vince McMahon and shitty creative for AJ being less over.

Exactly!!! People need to stop looking at wrestlers as better or worse according to rank.

Blame me. Complete oversight on my part. Hell I ranked Han and not Tamura.

Not better... just different.

You clearly have me confused with someone else.

My 31-40 list is dropping like flies. 31. Yuki Ishikawa 32. Daisuke Ikeda 36. Dick Togo 37. Blue Panther 38. Villano III 39. Atlantis 40. Pirata Morgan Farewell Japanese and Lucha dudes.

Chip off the old block then. It's the old nurture vs. nature debate. Is it in her nature because she is a Blanchard or was she nurtured by Magnum TA to be a trouble maker?

I"ll be interested to see how AJ vs. Reigns plays out in a couple of weeks. The same people criticizing Jericho have been pimping Reigns so no excuses for AJ this time around. Anyway, here is a rundown of the guys in the Top 100 that have been knocked out so far... 1. Daisuke Ikeda 2. Atlantis 3. Kerry Von Erich 4. Ron Garvin 5. Sangre Chicana 6. Bob Backlund 7. 2 Cold Scorpio 8. Terry Gordy 9. Tito Santana 10. Chris Jericho 11. Dr. Death 12. Tajiri 13. L.A. Park 14. Cesaro