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Because no matter how bad things are, if the right person comes along at the right time in the right place, they can make a difference. We've seen a lot of guys who can't draw, but eventually, another will come along who can.
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Thinking Bret would show up on Nitro with the belt to be a ridiculous idea is not a retroactive opinion. Why are people who think that would happen ignoring that the WWF had lawsuits pending against WCW for stuff like that at the time? You go with the original plan to have Bret drop it to Shawn the next month in Springfield.
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Angle hasn't moved the needle in TNA. Neither has Sting or two of the biggest draws in wrestling history -- Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan. I think it's more something that I'd point to as a positive if he did lead to a turnaround than something I'd point to as a negative for not doing it. I think anyone short of Austin, Rock or Cena going to TNA wouldn't turn things around.
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Yes, but look at that time period: * July 2000, Fully Loaded -- Selling point was the Benoit/Rock and HHH/Jericho matches. * August 2000, Summerslam -- Headlined in a three-way with Rock and HHH. Hard to say he was put in a position to sell the show, especially after doing a clean job to Undertaker the month before. * September 2000, Unforgiven -- HHH/Angle was the biggest match on the show, but Steve Austin's return was the selling point of the show. So while I do agree that this was the peak of his appeal as a character, when exactly was he put in the key spot to sell a show? If you can point to one that's disappointing, I think that's when you can call Angle a failed draw. As it stands, I don't think Angle was a failed draw -- I just don't think he was often put in a position to draw.
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Wrestlemania 19 didn't do huge numbers, but even if it did, the credit/blame for that show goes to the most hyped match on the card -- Hogan vs Vince. Angle/Lesnar was not put in the position to sell that show. And while some have called this point of view scapegoating, I have always agreed with those who said because the war in Iraq had just started, people had their minds on bigger things than wrestling. Perhaps the lineup factored into the buyrate, but I think world events at the time were also a key factor. If you look at Angle's entire run in the WWF, I can't really point to any shows where he was the central focus of the build when the company was hot -- except maybe Summerslam and Unforgiven in 2001. You can argue that he would or would not have been successful as a draw, but he wasn't. Perhaps that was through no fault of his own, but the HOF isn't a place to right wrongs.
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I'm not an Angle defender, but Paul is right -- he didn't hold the title long enough to be considered a bomb. If there's a compelling argument to make against Angle, it's that the way he was booked in his first two title runs -- comedy figure with brother Eric and his whole family in Christmas hats the first time, no decisive title defenses, short second reign -- hurt him. I also think he got the belt way too soon. The second time, he was ready, but they hadn't made the decision to turn Austin babyface yet, so they were still keeping Austin strong because the planned WM main at that time was for him to drop the belt to a returning HHH. When he insisted on turning face after seeing his merch numbers, Jericho ended up filling that role.
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I actually do know conservatives who fit into all of those categories, but yeah, not in the modern, mainstream sense.
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I guess I saw it as less dire because that's not the first time Dave has said that. He mentioned a few months back that it seems to be a weekly thing.
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Possibly to all that, but I think the logical explanation is much simpler -- he's getting older, needs to walk away and won't.
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Flu-like symptoms carny for cocaine problem? Who re-worded that? They made it sound far, far more dire than Dave did.
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When nothing has consequences, why should anyone care?
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This is the first I've ever heard of that being a group. Where did that info come from?
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[1995-12-29-ECW-Holiday Hell] Mikey Whipwreck vs 2 Cold Scorpio
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