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Yeah - I assume that voters are smart enough to understand that whenever they essentially vote for one person in a category, they're in essence casting a no vote anyone else excluded. For categories that have less than a hundred voters (Europe and Pacific Islands - maybe Mexico) your non-vote are essentially 1% to 2% off the total count which isn't an inconsequential amount. To your question, I might have a slightly lower tolerance - say, 60%, but I think the threshold for me would be strong understanding of at least a third of the candidates, and an good knowledge of at least half of them (or the circumstances - promotion or timeframe - they were popular in.)

You can read the thread over at wrestling classics - http://wrestlingclassics.com/.ubb/ultimate...=7;t=000546;p=1 There's some discussion about whether it should be Apter, Weston or jdw's discussion on whether a broader group like, "London Publishing" is more appropriate.

This year I was terribly surprised to discover Dave sent me a ballot. I found it to be a really tough experience choosing; at times you can start to feel so overwhelmed that you almost feel bad voting or not voting for anyone. I really appreciate the passion and effort of everyone in this thread contributing some really good analysis & thoughts & anecdotes on why certain wrestlers were worthwhile. After a month of crunching some numbers in my own way (warts and all), I finally decided to send my ballot in 3 days ago based on my thinking at that moment with my WWF-analysis bias firmly fueling my thinking. Here was my ballot: I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES X Batista X Edge X Brock Lesnar X Pedro Morales X Dick Murdoch X Rock & Roll Express (Ricky Morton & Robert Gibson) X Sgt. Slaughter NON-WRESTLERS X Jimmy Hart X Takashi Matsunaga X Gene Okerlund I didn't end up voting for Ivan or Patera but I do hope they stay on the ballot so I can give them several months of thoughts rather than trying to cram a whole year's worth of pondering into a couple weeks. I listened to the Karl Stern's HOF podcast after I submitted my ballot, and thought Dylan's Patera argument was compelling (which I'd read earlier, but hearing it again gave me another chance to process it) to give me pause. Likewise, I don't know if I would vote for Edge or Pedro or Murdoch or Batista next year. I don't think Batista will do well; Edge will probably doing middling, but not terrific numbers except among his modern peers. Murdoch should pull the same numbers are before. I think Patera will stay on the ballot until next year. I believe this is R&R's year. In the end, you're one voter among more than a hundred, and I tried to keep my impact narrow so I didn't dilute votes in Mexico, Japan or Historical categories where I may have favored one candidate, but I would essentially be casting non-votes for a lot of other people just by becoming part of the voters.

I'll shamelessly plug the podcast I recorded last night with @voiceswrestling ..... Voices of Wrestling welcomes wrestling statistician Chris “Mookieghana” Harrington. In this episode, Rich and Chris discuss his look at Hulk Hogan’s drawing power in the 80s and and his "predictive" model to see who the superstars of the future might be. You can read Chris’ statistical work on http://indeedwrestling.blogspot.com and indeedwrestling.com and follow him on Twitter @mookieghana. If pre-ordering his book “Wrestlenomics”, please email him at [email protected] for details on pricing and delivery options. Two articles referenced throughout the 70 minutes: * Hulk Hogan Drawing Power (1984-1990): http://indeedwrestling.blogspot.com/2013/0...84-1990-by.html * Star Ratings vs. Age: http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2013/09/1...ightest-future/ Podcast is available at: http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2013/09/2...ana-harrington/ The most significant discussion of all of this is really that Fit Finlay & Scott Hall were born on the same day. I had a lot of fun, and talked far more and longer than I intended to.

I just finished a large revamp of the WWWF/WWF/WWE database (1963-2013). After spending a lot of time cleaning up names, I ran a little experiment. I looked at four variables: # of total matches, total attendance on all cards where I had attendance, total number of shows with 10,000 or more people, total number of matches where wrestler was in the same match as the world Champion. Again, this was just for WWWF/WWF/WWE but I thought it might provide some interesting comparison for the some of the candidates with strong WWE backgrounds such as Brock, Edge, Pedro, Owen, Slaughter, Hennig, Slaughter and Snuka. This methodology is going to skew some results since I don't have nearly as many attendance figures for the 60s and 70s as I do for the 80s, 90s, and 00s. I took the current WON HOF and entered them as 1.0 for the variable. Everyone who was over 35 years old with at least a hundred matches in the database was entered with a 0.0. I removed everyone was on the ballot currently or under 35 years old. Only male wrestlers were included. Regression Equation = 0.071745297 -0.000108284 *matches + 3.60933E-08xattendance -0.000322576x10k_houses+0.001103713*matches_with_world_champion It's an interesting equation because it essentially punishes you for having tons of matches without being involved with the world champion. Guys with thousands of WWF matches that weren't top talent such as Baron Mikel Scicluna(0.02), Tony Garea(-0.06) or Johnny Rodz(-0.1) score quite lowly. The attendance/10k+ houses number ends up being a positive variable. It plays strongly for HOF inductees such as Bret Hart, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Randy Savage, John Cena, Hulk Hogan. In the end, among the people who aren't on the ballot and aren't inducted, the people in the top 30 who aren't being considered for the ballot were: Big Show(0.58), Glen Jacobs(0.53), JBL(0.39), Ultimate Warrior(0.33), Yokozuna(0.3), Alberto Del Rio(0.3), Mark Henry(0.29), Kevin Nash(0.27), Jeff Hardy(0.25), Booker T(0.24), Christian(0.2), Sid Vicious(0.2) The people already inducted in the top 30 were: Bruno Sammartino(1.84), Hulk Hogan(1.17), John Cena(1.1), Bob Backlund(1.07), Triple H(1), Undertaker(0.84), Bret Hart(0.6), Randy Savage(0.58), Shawn Michaels(0.51), Chris Jericho(0.47), Rock(0.47), Kurt Angle(0.45), Steve Austin(0.44), Ric Flair(0.42), Rey Mysterio Jr(0.34), Superstar Billy Graham(0.31), Chris Benoit(0.28), Mick Foley(0.26) Other HOF inductees that were in the 450+ person dataset were: Ted Dibiase, Vader, Eddie Guerrero, Killer Kowalski, Roddy Piper, Bill Miller, Road Warrior Hawk, Road Warrior Animal, Harley Race, Antonio Inoki, Bill Watts, Freddie Blassie Curtis Iaukea, Tatsumi Fujinami, Terry Funk, Stan Hansen, Jerry Lawler, Bobby Heenan, Andre the Giant, Bobo Brazil, Dusty Rhodes, Ernie Ladd, Ray Stevens, Ricky Steamboat, Johnny Valentine, Al Costello, Capt Lou Albano, Bruiser Brody, Pat Patterson, Dynamite Kid. Obviously, some of of these were inducted for the quality of their work or success in territories besides the narrow WWWF/WWF/WWE scope that I'm considering. So, what does this equation say about the chances of the people on the ballot? Here were their calculated values: High Edge(0.69) Batista(0.68) Medium Pedro Morales(0.35) Owen Hart(0.27) Brock Lesnar(0.24) Sgt Slaughter(0.23) Gorilla Monsoon(0.22) Low Curt Hennig(0.16) Ivan Koloff(0.14) Spiros Arion(0.09) Jesse Ventura(0.09) Ken Patera(0.09) Dick Murdoch(0.07) Mario Milano(0.07) Jimmy Snuka(0.06) Again, this only looks at things through the lens of a single territory. However, I thought it was an interesting experiment, and I hope to replicate the results with AWA and JCP/WCW in the near future. Also, I think continues the case that at least Big Show should be given a chance on the ballot.

Yes, that's an exceptionally fair point. And I am not certainly the methodology behind the drawing calculation is even meaningful. It was more of an interesting thought exercise and I wanted to see if it suggested some people that I hadn't considered as very strong draws. I'm still refining it and will probably move to a more year-by-year approach (akin to what I did with WCW) instead.

Yeah, as I did my regressions, I noticed that he came up as a significant draw at least once for both WWE (2009-2013) and WCW (1998). I was wondering if Big Show had ever been voted on for WON HOF? I actually googled that earlier today but didn't find anything. Randy Orton is a couple years away, but when he's eligible, I wonder how his reception will be. I feel like if Edge makes it, Orton should too.

I also did a bunch of regressions looking at top wrestlers by 5 year periods 1963-2013 for WWF/WWE for the top talent; here's the initial analysis suggested: HIGHLY EFFECTIVE DRAWS (high coefficient, low p-value) Modern Era low p-value (statistically relevent) 1989-1993.. Hulk Hogan (+5826) 1984-1988.. Hulk Hogan (+5470) 1999-2003.. The Rock (+4782) 1999-2003.. Triple H (+3359) 1994-1998.. The Rock (+3259) 2004-2008.. Umaga (+3217) 2004-2008.. The Undertaker (+3211) 2009-2013.. Randy Orton (+3135) 1984-1988.. Andre the Giant (+3037) 2004-2008.. John Cena (+2892) 1984-1988.. Roddy Piper (+2881) 1989-1993.. Rick Rude (+2734) 2009-2013.. Dolph Ziggler (+2342) 1994-1998.. Steve Austin (+2293) 2009-2013.. Chris Jericho (+2288) 1999-2003.. Steve Austin (+2251) 2004-2008.. Shawn Michaels (+2101) 1989-1993.. Randy Savage (+2094) 2009-2013.. The Big Show (+2066) 1999-2003.. Rob Van Dam (+2056) 1999-2003.. Chris Benoit (+2048) 1984-1988.. Randy Savage (+2028) 1989-1993.. Ultimate Warrior (+2001) 2004-2008.. Batista (+2000) 2009-2013.. John Cena (+1988) 1984-1988.. Iron Sheik (+1933) 2004-2008.. Mark Henry (+1835) 1999-2003.. Chris Jericho (+1749) 1989-1993.. Roddy Piper (+1740) 1999-2003.. Kurt Angle (+1719) 1984-1988.. Paul Orndorff (+1701) 1994-1998.. Mick Foley (+1677) 1984-1988.. King Kong Bundy (+1664) 1994-1998.. The Undertaker (+1641) 1989-1993.. The Undertaker (+1638) Historic Era low p-value (statistically relevent) 1969-1973.. Bruno Sammartino (+10773) 1974-1978.. Bruno Sammartino (+9497) 1974-1978.. Bob Backlund (+8118) 1963-1968.. Buddy Rogers (+7369) 1979-1983.. Andre the Giant (+5778) 1979-1983.. Hulk Hogan (+5067) 1979-1983.. Bob Backlund (+4965) 1963-1968.. Bruno Sammartino (+3795) 1979-1983.. Pedro Morales (+3295) 1969-1973.. Victor Rivera (+3220) 1969-1973.. Chief Jay Strongbow (+2975) 1974-1978.. Ivan Putski (+2880) 1979-1983.. Ivan Putski (+2813) 1979-1983.. Don Muraco (+2481) 1969-1973.. Pedro Morales (+2382) 1979-1983.. Tony Atlas (+1886) Historic Era high p-value (statistically questionable) 1969-1973.. The Sheik (+3182) 1969-1973.. Tarzan Tyler (+3009) 1969-1973.. Tony Garea (+2444) 1969-1973.. Mr Fuji (+2235) 1974-1978.. Jimmy Valiant (+2188) 1963-1968.. Bobo Brazil (+2178) 1963-1968.. Dr Jerry Graham (+1965) 1974-1978.. Superstar Billy Graham (+1870) 1963-1968.. Bill Miller (+1660) 1963-1968.. Hans Mortier (+1646) 1974-1978.. Haystacks Calhoun (+1620) 1963-1968.. Gorilla Monsoon (+1576) MODERATELY EFFECTIVE DRAWS low p-value 1994-1998.. Glen Jacobs (+1560) 1989-1993.. Bret Hart (+1517) 2009-2013.. Rey Mysterio Jr (+1492) 2004-2008.. CM Punk (+1448) 1984-1988.. Greg Valentine (+1444) 1984-1988.. Ricky Steamboat (+1421) 1984-1988.. Junkyard Dog (+1403) 2004-2008.. Triple H (+1386) 2004-2008.. Chris Jericho (+1369) 1999-2003.. Glen Jacobs (+1320) 1984-1988.. Ted Dibiase (+1296) 1994-1998.. Yokozuna (+1287) 1994-1998.. Scott Hall (+1276) 2009-2013.. Edge (+1219) 2009-2013.. Glen Jacobs (+1205) 1999-2003.. Sean Waltman (+1182) 2004-2008.. Randy Orton (+1156) 1994-1998.. Kevin Nash (+1135) 1994-1998.. Bret Hart (+1106) 1994-1998.. Vader (+1002) 1984-1988.. Davey Boy Smith (+986) 1989-1993.. Curt Hennig (+959) 1984-1988.. Honkytonk Man (+959) 1989-1993.. John Tenta (+915) 1994-1998.. Shawn Michaels (+899) 2004-2008.. Rey Mysterio Jr (+878) 1984-1988.. Big John Studd (+847) 1989-1993.. Yokozuna (+814) MODERATELY EFFECTIVE DRAWS high p-value 1999-2003.. Mick Foley (+1216) 2009-2013.. Mike Mizanin (+1050) 2009-2013.. Mark Henry (+914) 1999-2003.. The Undertaker (+895) 2009-2013.. Alberto Del Rio (+848) 2009-2013.. CM Punk (+827) 2004-2008.. JBL (+807) Historic Era high p-value 1974-1978.. Mr Fuji (+1450) 1979-1983.. Pat Patterson (+1329) 1963-1968.. Bill Watts (+1238) 1974-1978.. Chief Jay Strongbow (+1235) 1979-1983.. Sgt Slaughter (+1143) 1974-1978.. Killer Kowalski (+1110) 1979-1983.. Rick Martel (+1014) 1974-1978.. Tony Garea (+982) 1979-1983.. Greg Valentine (+868) 1974-1978.. Stan Stasiak (+804) NON-EFFECTIVE DRAWS low p-value 1989-1993.. Big Bossman (+763) 1984-1988.. Brutus Beefcake (+706) 1984-1988.. Tito Santana (+706) 1989-1993.. Shawn Michaels (+703) 1989-1993.. Ted Dibiase (+558) 1994-1998.. Davey Boy Smith (-1448) NON-EFFECTIVE DRAWS Historic Era low p-value 1979-1983.. Tony Garea (-1762) 1969-1973.. Killer Kowalski (-4748) NON-EFFECTIVE DRAWS Modern Era high p-value 2004-2008.. Kurt Angle (+788) 1999-2003.. Booker T (+625) 1994-1998.. Dustin Rhodes (+496) 1994-1998.. Owen Hart (+487) 2004-2008.. The Big Show (+476) 2004-2008.. Glen Jacobs (+467) 1999-2003.. The Big Show (+467) 1999-2003.. Test3 (+441) 1989-1993.. Jake Roberts (+383) 2009-2013.. Sheamus (+382) 2009-2013.. Bryan Danielson (+272) 1989-1993.. Ric Flair (+254) 1999-2003.. Rikishi (-12) 1994-1998.. Triple H (-34) 2009-2013.. Christian (-170) 2009-2013.. Jack Swagger (-316) 1999-2003.. Big Bossman (-405) 1989-1993.. Sgt Slaughter (-407) 2004-2008.. Edge (-503) 1994-1998.. Sid Justice (-661) NON-EFFECTIVE DRAWS Historic Era high p-value 1963-1968.. Baron Mikel Scicluna (+733) 1969-1973.. Gorilla Monsoon (+656) 1979-1983.. Jimmy Snuka (+468) 1974-1978.. Gorilla Monsoon (+450) 1969-1973.. Haystacks Calhoun (+427) 1963-1968.. Johnny Valentine (+345) 1979-1983.. Masa Saito (+295) 1969-1973.. Prof Toru Tanaka (+202) 1963-1968.. Killer Kowalski (+198) 1979-1983.. Mr Fuji (+174) 1969-1973.. Gito Mongol (+165) 1979-1983.. George Steele (+151) 1963-1968.. Prof Toru Tanaka (+114) 1969-1973.. Nikolai Volkoff (-9) 1974-1978.. Peter Maivia (-206) 1963-1968.. Waldo Von Erich (-442) 1974-1978.. Ken Patera (-494) 1969-1973.. Ivan Koloff (-505) 1963-1968.. Bulldog Brower (-666) 1969-1973.. Freddie Blassie (-815) 1974-1978.. Spiros Arion (-836) 1974-1978.. Larry Zbyszko (-896) 1963-1968.. Smasher Sloan (-1145) 1963-1968.. Luke Graham (-2308) My top take-aways here were: + Brock doesn't fit well into these five-year periods so he couldn't be evaluated. + Batista does get some credit for being a draw in the mid-2000s. + Pedro should get some credit for being a draw in the 1969-1973 and 1979-1983 eras. + Edge will need to get in on his merits as a worker, not as a draw. + Similarly, Snuka and Slaughter would need to get in on his merits as a worker, not as a draw. + For his WWF run, neither Patera or Koloff are noticeable, but that's not surprising. For modern, I'm leaning Batista (draw), Edge (work), Rock & Roll (work & draw), Slaughter (work). Both Koloff and Patera are interesting, but I'm still looking for the key to push me. Brock remains tough to nail down. After this attendance analysis, tempted to vote for Dick Murdoch and Pedro Morales, who I hadn't considered previously.

I'm continuing to pour through the WWF and WCW results to run statistics against various time periods and which wrestlers appeared on those shows looking for correlations between wrestlers and attendance. Yesterday, I tackled JCP/WCW covering about 1800 shows with attendance figures. I looked for wrestlers who competed on 10+ shows within the attendance database for that year, and on those shows had a significantly (500 people or more) higher paid attendance than the annual attendance average. It's not a perfect system because as you see - major events (i did exclude PPVs) like TV tapings can heavily skew the attendance. I also tried to use "paid" attendance, but that number was only available for some events. 1986 (118 shows): Baby Doll (2386), Jim Cornette (2102), Road Warrior Hawk (1538), Road Warrior Animal (1460), Jimmy Garvin (1166), Rick Rude (1150), Nikita Koloff (1122), Ric Flair (1120), Dusty Rhodes (1040), Nelson Royal (1015), Brad Armstrong (957), Dick Murdoch (923), Robert Gibson (860), Tully Blanchard (754), Arn Anderson (651), Ricky Morton (592), Black Bart (519) 1987 (126 shows): Buddy Roberts (5059), Terry Gordy (4051), Chris Adams (2687), Steve Williams (2495), Dick Murdoch (2488), Vladimir Petrov (1949), Road Warrior Hawk (1638), Dutch Mantell (1560), Dusty Rhodes (1529), Rick Steiner (1522), Road Warrior Animal (1484), Black Bart (1375), Wahoo McDaniel (1313), Ray Traylor (1312), Sting (1252), MOD Squad Basher (1191), Ivan Koloff (1183) 1988 (126 shows): Paul Ellering (2665), Robert Gibson (2329), Ricky Morton (2078), Russian Assassin (1902), Brad Armstrong (1314), Jimmy Garvin (1251), Ricky Santana (1246), Dusty Rhodes (1216), Dick Murdoch (1193), Arn Anderson (1175), Mike Rotundo (1116), Tully Blanchard (1084), Kevin Sullivan (1053), Jim Cornette (949), Ivan Koloff (823), Nikita Koloff (749) 1989 (75 shows): Al Greene (1371), Brad Anderson (1110), Tommy Rich (1010), Ric Flair (820), Rip Morgan (816), Sid Vicious (514) 1990 (141 shows): Kevin Sullivan (1775), Shane Douglas (1617), Jack Victory (1321), Rip Morgan (1251), Paul Orndorff (1212), Vader (1125), Lex Luger (688), Road Warrior Hawk (630), Road Warrior Animal (597), Ric Flair (586) 1991 (163 shows): Sid Vicious (1374), Fidel Sierra (1325), Dan Spivey (1087), Ric Flair (780), Rick Rude (747), Scott Steiner (542) 1992 (185 shows): n/a 1993 (163 shows): Raven (1502), Michael Hayes (1131), Kevin Nash (1026), Shane Douglas (812), Vader (698), Paul Orndorff (518) 1994 (93 shows): Hulk Hogan (2461), Diamond Dallas Page (1144), Ric Flair (588) 1995 (87 shows): n/a 1996 (126 shows): Scott Hall (697), Kevin Nash (697), Syxx (611) 1997 (66 shows): Ric Flair (1671), Syxx (1256), Scotty Riggs (794), Disco Inferno (641), Psychosis (568) 1998 (89 shows): Hulk Hogan (6697), Scott Putski (6296), Ultimo Dragon (5482), Booker T (4879), Psychosis (3261), Bill Goldberg (2894), Sting (2356), Rey Mysterio Jr (2111), Scott Norton (2025), Giant (1951), Chavo Guerrero Jr (1810), Norman Smiley (1601), Alex Wright (1392), Lex Luger (1311), Disco Inferno (1241), Scotty Riggs (1187), Billy Kidman (1082), Wrath (852), Scott Steiner (608), Scott Hall (541) 1999 (141 shows): Scott Steiner (5586), Kevin Nash (3623), Wrath (3372), Hulk Hogan (3261), Scott Hall (2689), Scott Norton (2187), Chris Jericho (1988), Brian Adams (1985), Sandman (1314), Kenny Kaos (1273), Bam Bam Bigelow (1190), Raven (984), Rey Mysterio Jr (877), Diamond Dallas Page (765), Bill Goldberg (567), Psychosis (520) 2000-2001 (124 shows): n/a Clearly, the TV tapings (Nitro/Thunder) are causing some of the distortions. I didn't filter only for top matches, so some interesting jobbers show up on the list as well. By far the weirdest result was SCOTT PUTSKI who wrestled on some huge shows during the 1998 boom (Georgia Dome, Astrodome, TWA Dome) WCW @ Atlanta, GA - Georgia Dome - July 6, 1998 (41, 412) WCW @ Hartford, CT - Civic Center - August 17, 1998 (12, 655; sell out) WCW @ Terre Haute, IN - Hulman Center - August 25, 1998 (3, 556) WCW @ Peoria, IL - Civic Center - August 26, 1998 (7, 128) WCW @ Pensacola, FL - Civic Center - September 7, 1998 (6, 379; sell out) WCW @ Mobile, AL - September 8, 1998 (3, 988) WCW @ Amherst, MA - September 22, 1998 (3, 000) WCW @ Minneapolis, MN - Target Center - October 19, 1998 (15, 722) WCW @ Wichita, KS - Kansas Coliseum - November 16, 1998 (13, 981) WCW @ Houston, TX - Astrodome - December 7, 1998 (32, 067) WCW @ St. Louis, MO - TWA Dome - December 21, 1998 (29, 000) In the end, I think the more interesting metric is number of years someone appeared on the list - Ric Flair leads with 7 years followed by a legion of people with three (Robert Gibson, Road Warrior Animal, Dick Murdoch, Scott Steiner, Dusty Rhodes, Ricky Morton, Hulk Hogan, Road Warrior Hawk, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Lex Luger, Tully Blanchard, Psychosis, Nikita Koloff). Most of those I would consider people that were draws for the time. However, we're comparing very disparate time periods - early 90s was so terrible that 500 more people is incredible. Late 90s was so hot that 500 is less than margin of error! The person that I was hoping would jump out during this analysis would be Sting - who really didn't.

I love his match with Owen Hart (Blue Angel) in WWF: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x37aau_bl...arry-horo_sport Great example of a long, solid competitive bout that really stood out in WWF. (This is probably more appropriate in the Microscope thread)

I would say there's a problem with the math when Liger is that high. I don't think he was the draw in a single match on a single dome. The closest was simply being the last opponent Choshu faced in his retirement. Tenzan is questionable to me, as his true Dome main events would have come in the period when New Japan tanked. I confess that I don't get how that number for Taue could be arrived at. Yeah, I just took the 16 guys (using Excel, so standard multi-variable regressions are limited to 16 variables) who appeared most in the 1985-2013 total list (which included both domes and the Sumo Hall, Budokan Hall shows) for the NOAH, AJPW, NJPW cards irrespective of their actual position on the card. I'll play with this approach some more later (weighting it towards "main eventing"); it was just an interesting exercise - I'm still refining the methodology (I also did WWF 1963-2013 with the same methodology) and considering the results to figure out if it's all just silly or whether there is any meaningful insights to be gained. Just for completeness, I went back and reordered the top list so you got points according to your place on the card. The 16 guys who popped out were Antonio Inoki, Genichiro Tenryu, Hiroyoshi Tenzan, Mitsuhara Misawa, Kenta Kobashi, Jun Akiyama, Keiji Mutoh, Shinya Hashimoto, Yuji Nagata, Masa Chono, Toshiaki Kawada, Riki Choshu, Tatsumi Fujinami, Satoshi Kojima, Akira Taue, Kensuke Sasaki which seems like a more representative list. I did all years and all locations (447 shows covering both domes, halls, etc) for NOAH, NJPW, AJPW - so it's a slightly different group that the original analysis. The unadjusted r-squared is only .56 and the adjusted is down .29 so it's certainly nothing to bank on but it gives a feel for which people had very strong drawing records (like Inoku or Tenryu) and which aren't really strong stories (Kojima, Taue, Sasaki). Obviously timing (which halls/domes were run and were not run by the companies in the 80s, for instance) are going to influence things. Name (coefficient) Statistically relevant (p-value under 0.05): Antonio Inoki (12268), Genichiro Tenryu (6781), Hiroyoshi Tenzan (6000), Mitsuhara Misawa (5614), Kenta Kobashi (5308), Jun Akiyama (5272), Keiji Mutoh (4318), Shinya Hashimoto (4263), Yuji Nagata (3978), Masa Chono (3193), Toshiaki Kawada (2851), Riki Choshu (2721) Statistically questionable (p-value above .25): Tatsumi Fujinami (1387), Satoshi Kojima (1341), Akira Taue (896), Kensuke Sasaki (796)

I would say there's a problem with the math when Liger is that high. I don't think he was the draw in a single match on a single dome. The closest was simply being the last opponent Choshu faced in his retirement. Tenzan is questionable to me, as his true Dome main events would have come in the period when New Japan tanked. I confess that I don't get how that number for Taue could be arrived at. Yeah, I just took the 16 guys (using Excel, so standard multi-variable regressions are limited to 16 variables) who appeared most in the 1985-2013 total list (which included both domes and the Sumo Hall, Budokan Hall shows) for the NOAH, AJPW, NJPW cards irrespective of their actual position on the card. I'll play with this approach some more later (weighting it towards "main eventing"); it was just an interesting exercise - I'm still refining the methodology (I also did WWF 1963-2013 with the same methodology) and considering the results to figure out if it's all just silly or whether there is any meaningful insights to be gained.

Beats me. Prowrestlinghistory.com would have it. In the end, it's just a number. We can say he "main evented" twice against Kawada and it drew a ton. But that number 2 and the average crowd they drew really tell us nothing on how much we can credit Kawada or Sasaki for that. John Yes, I love me some PWH. Campbell has a handy spreadsheet on his site ( http://prowrestlinghistory.com/supercards/eventinfo.xls ) My count on his list brings me to 44 with Sasaki. Promotion Venue Date Attendance Top Matches NJPW Fukuoka Dome 11/2/1997 48,000 Mutoh & Chono vs. Fujinami & Tenryu; Sasaki vs. Choshu NJPW Fukuoka Dome 5/3/1995 48,000 Mutoh vs. Hashimoto; Sasaki vs. Tenzan; Inoki & Kitao vs. Tenryu & Choshu NJPW Osaka Dome 11/13/2004 15,000 Fujita & Kashin vs. Nakanishi & Nakamura; Sasaki vs. Suzuki NJPW Osaka Dome 4/9/2001 18,500 Hashimoto vs. Sasaki; Fujita vs. Norton NJPW Osaka Dome 5/3/1997 43,000 Hashimoto vs. Ogawa; Kojima & Nakanishi vs. Choshu & Sasaki Noah Tokyo Dome 7/18/2005 52,000 Misawa vs. Kawada; Kobashi vs. Sasaki; Tenryu vs. Ogawa NJPW Tokyo Dome 1/4/2004 27,500 Nakamura vs. Takayama; Nagata vs. Sasaki; Sapp & Mutoh vs. Tenzan & Chono NJPW Tokyo Dome 1/4/2002 52,000 Akiyama vs. Nagata; Sasaki vs. Ogawa NJPW Tokyo Dome 10/8/2001 47,000 Nagata & Akiyama vs. Hase & Mutoh; Fujita vs. Sasaki All Japan Tokyo Dome 1/28/2001 30,000 Kawada & Sasaki vs. Tenryu & Hase; Mutoh vs. Kea NJPW Tokyo Dome 1/4/2001 52,000 Kawada vs. Sasaki; Choshu vs. Hashimoto NJPW Tokyo Dome 10/9/2000 54,000 Kawada vs. Sasaki NJPW Tokyo Dome 1/4/2000 53,500 Sasaki vs. Tenryu; Chono vs. Mutoh NJPW Tokyo Dome 10/11/1999 48,000 Hashimoto vs. Ogawa; Mutoh vs. Nakanishi; Tenryu vs. Sasaki NJPW Tokyo Dome 4/10/1999 53,000 Mutoh vs. Frye; Sasaki & Koshinaka vs. Tenryu & Fujinami NJPW Tokyo Dome 4/4/1998 57,000 Inoki Retirement; Fujinami vs. Sasaki NJPW Tokyo Dome 1/4/1998 55,000 Sasaki vs. Mutoh NJPW Tokyo Dome 1/4/1995 52,500 Hashimoto vs. Sasaki; Steiners vs. Hase & Mutoh; Inoki vs. Sting NJPW Tokyo Dome 3/21/1991 54,500 Fujinami vs. Flair; Muta vs. Sting; Steiners vs. Hase & Sasaki NJPW Budokan 11/1/1990 14,014 Choshu vs. Hashimoto; Hase & Sasaki vs. Mutoh & Chono; Liger vs. Benoit NJPW Budokan 6/12/1991 14,014 Choshu vs. Sasaki; Vader vs. Norton NJPW Budokan 6/26/1992 14,214 Choshu vs. Chono; Steiners vs. Vader & Bigelow; Hase vs. Sasaki NJPW Budokan 2/15/1998 16,000 Koshinaka vs. Chono; Norton vs. Sasaki NJPW Budokan 2/14/1999 14,000 Mutoh vs. Sasaki NJPW Budokan 6/2/2000 10,000 Sasaki vs. Nakanishi NJPW Budokan 6/7/2002 9,000 Nagata vs. Sasaki; Takayama vs. Nakanishi Noah Budokan 7/16/2006 16,500 Akiyama & Misawa vs. Takayama & Sasaki Noah Budokan 7/18/2008 9,500 Morishima vs. Rikio; Sasaki vs. Kenta Noah Budokan 9/6/2008 9,000 Sasaki vs. Morishima Noah Budokan 12/7/2008 7,500 Sasaki vs. Siato; Akiyama vs. Morishima Noah Budokan 3/1/2009 14,200 Akiyama vs. Sasaki; Kenta vs. Nakajima Noah Budokan 5/11/2013 17,000 Kobashi, Sasaki, Mutoh, & Akiyama vs. Taniguchi, Kanemaru, Shiozaki, & Kenta New Japan Sumo Hall 12/13/1990 Hase & Sasaki vs. Iizuk a& Koshinaka New Japan Sumo Hall 4/30/1991 11,500 Super Junior Finals; Choshu & Fujinami vs. Hase & Sasaki New Japan Sumo Hall 2/20/2000 11,500 Chono vs. Sasaki; Hashimoto vs. Norton; Frye vs. Nagata New Japan Sumo Hall 2/18/2001 11,000 Sasaki vs. Ohtani; Mutoh vs Murakami; Frye vs. Chono New Japan Sumo Hall 2/16/2002 11,000 Nagata vs. Yasuda; Nakanishi vs. Sasaki New Japan Sumo Hall 3/28/2004 8,000 Sapp vs. Sasaki; Nagata vs. Chono New Japan Sumo Hall 10/9/2004 11,000 Sasaki vs. Fujita; Chono & Frye vs. Tenzan & Nigata All Japan Sumo Hall 10/31/2004 11,500 Mutoh & Misawa vs. Hase & Sasaki; Kawada vs. Kea New Japan Sumo Hall 11/3/2004 10,000 Chono & Choshu vs. Tenzan & Nagata; Sasaki vs. Tanahashi Wrestle-1 Sumo Hall 8/4/2005 8,000 Muta vs. Akebono; Sasaki vs. Choshu All Japan Sumo Hall 8/26/2007 8,200 Sasaki vs. Suzuki All Japan Sumo Hall 3/1/2008 8,500 Sasaki vs. Kojima; Mutoh & Hase vs. Kawada & Kea EDIT: MATH~! For the extra step, I went ahead and loaded in the all of the Dome shows I could find for NOAH, AJPW, NJPW from the ProWrestlingHistory site. After separating out the wrestlers among the matches, I looked at who appeared the most from 1985-2013 - Akira Taue, Hiroyoshi Tenzan, Jushin Liger, Keiji Mutoh, Kensuke Sasaki, Manabu Nakanishi, Masa Chono, Masa Fuchi, Mitsuhara Misawa, Riki Choshu, Satoshi Kojima, Shiro Koshinaka, Takayuki Iizuka, Toshiaki Kawada, Yoshinari Ogawa, Yuji Nagata. Doing a regression against which shows these people were on suggested: Statistically Relevant - large draws: Mitsuhara Misawa (7924), Keiji Mutoh (6513), Jushin Liger (5478), Hiroyoshi Tenzan (3837), Toshiaki Kawada (3638), Riki Choshu (2945) Statistcally Questionable: Akira Taue (3723), Masa Chono (2275), Shiro Koshinaka (1008), Kensuke Sasaki (982), Manabu Nakanishi (877), Satoshi Kojima (799), Yuji Nagata (140), Yoshinari Ogawa (-516), Masa Fuchi (-960), Takayuki Iizuka (-1398) I didn't really think the exercise would give me a clear, definitive answer, but the result certainly doesn't suggest to me that Sasaki was an enormous draw in isolation.

I've been doing some regressions of WWF attendance from 1963-2013 looking for correlations between certain guys on the card and the live attendance. The datasets are scattered, incomplete and have a host of other issues, but my initial analysis had some interesting take-aways. For my 1984 and later list, you have usual culprits like Hogan/Rock/Andre/Cena sticking out, along with some interesting people (Warrior, Roddy, Rude, Taker, Umaga (!), 2004-2008 HBK, Y2K Jericho) with Batista in that latter set (part of the 1500+, statistically significant) crew which actually would put him in a group that's an entire tier ahead of the likes of Bret Hart, Kevin Nash, Edge, WWE champion Rey Mysterio, Yokozuna or Kane. I'm still synthesizing the information and trying to judge whether it's meaningful or not, but it certainly gave me some great food for thought.

The websites that I tend to use: Databases wrestlingdata.com profightdb.com cagematch.net genickbruch.com prowrestling.wikia.com moonsault.de luchawiki.com wikipedia.org Helpful for Research http://www.gerweck.net/ - best TV ratings data I could find http://www.prowrestlinghistory.com/ - Pro Wrestling History http://www.garywill.com/wrestling/decwres.htm - Gary Will deceased Pro Wrestlers Random http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~qy3i-hmn/index.htm - Japanese Indy Wrestling http://www.geocities.com/smokyrobmoore/jparchive.htm - Masa Horie - View from the Rising Sun http://www.ddtdigest.com/ - DDT Digest (best place for filling in holes with WCW results) Last Cheap plug: http://www.indeedwrestling.com - my website with links to random data & analysis

If anyone enjoys snowflake counting, I updated my analysis for WWE, ECW, WCW, ROH, TNA through August '13. https://sites.google.com/site/chrisharringt...o_star_by_match Also, has a 2002-2013 look to focus on the last decade in the TNA/WWE/ROH world – Angle, Edge, AJ, Ortons, Cena, Benoit are modern leaders for Non-lucha NA since '02.

Karl Stern on his last F4W podcast was openly asking for listeners to provide him with the case for Patera. Posted a link to the Wrestling Culture profile show and a link here. I will probably be back on the The Board early next week. Is it worth the trouble for me to drag over all of the Patera stuff to his forum or not? There's a two page ironic thread in the Pro Wrestling section. Start a thread in the Classic Wrestling section. I have to say there's it's incredibly disappointing there's a forum for WON subscribers, which instead is so filled with trolls and mindless banter, that you have to go to other forums just to have the smallest amount of serious conversation about the WON HOF ballot.

Dave is goofy like that. When he sent me a ballot this year (first time voting), he responded to an email that I sent him in May 2010 about "UFC Impact on WWE PPVs". Could the CHIKARA time rift have opened up a portal which split the Dave's into two? Is one treadmill mullet leather jacket Dave while the other is just has kids and Rousey? The mysteries abound.

For curiosity and mookie-esque fun... I took my 1970-2012 WWE results database and cross-referenced it against the WONHOF list. I did a regression against three variables: (a ) number of matches (b ) number of singles matches with a WWWF/WWF/WWE/WCW/Raw/Smackdown World Title holder (c ) number of times on the "last match of the night" There was 44 guys from the WONHOF list that were in my database with 100+ matches: Hulk Hogan (115%), Bob Backlund (106%), John Cena (99%), The Undertaker (96%), Triple H (88%), Randy Savage (84%), Bruno Sammartino (69%), Andre the Giant (62%), Bret Hart (52%), Steve Austin (47%), Kurt Angle (45%), The Rock (42%), Superstar Billy Graham (39%), Shawn Michaels (37%), Ric Flair (35%), Roddy Piper (35%), Chris Jericho (31%), Chris Benoit (24%), Rey Mysterio Jr (22%), Killer Kowalski (22%), Mick Foley (22%), Ted DiBiase (21%), Eddie Guerrero (17%), Pat Patterson (16%), Stan Hansen (16%), Ricky Steamboat (15%), Capt Lou Albano (15%), The Dynamite Kid (14%), Dusty Rhodes (14%), Masa Saito (13%), Freddie Blassie (12%), Ernie Ladd (12%), Bruiser Brody (12%), Terry Funk (12%), Vader (11%), Bobo Brazil (11%), Ray Stevens (10%), Harley Race (10%), Dory Funk Jr (10%), Bobby Heenan (10%), Road Warrior Hawk (9%), Mil Mascaras (8%), Jerry Lawler (7%), Road Warrior Animal (6%). Obviously, some of them were inducted for their WWF (Austin, Graham, Cena) work while others for work in other territories (Vader, Brody, Lawler) so it's hardly a perfect comparison. The formula was: Chance You're in WON HOF = 0.0804 + (-0.0002)xWWE_matches + 0.0005*World_Title_Singles_Matches + 0.0011*Last_Match_of_Night Essentially, your chance goes up by 2% for every 41 world title singles matches or 1% for every 9 last match of the night. Inherently, the criteria I used only rewards people in the singles world title game, and not the people that might have been managers or superior tag candidates. Likewise, I didn't include attendance, ratings, PPV buys or a zillion other factors that would actually tell you something about business. It's just a fun little list. I has an interesting formula in that it actually penalizes you having a ton of matches without every being in the world title/"main event" picture. [For instance, the dirty dozen at the bottom of the list are old hands: Sho Funaki (-6%), Barry Horowitz (-6%), Jose Estrada Sr (-7%), Koko B Ware (-7%), Shelton Benjamin (-7%), Billy Gunn (-10%), Val Venis (-11%), Bob Holly (-13%), Matt Hardy (-13%), SD Jones (-15%), Johnny Rodz (-19%) and Steve Lombardi (-20%). ] Mookie's Ridiculous WWF Projected WON HOF Likelyhood Calculation (20% and higher list in full with WON HOF already removed) Randy Orton: 1381 matches (383 World, 583 Last) = 65% Batista: 922 matches (264 World, 494 Last) = 58% Pedro Morales: 1379 matches (269 World, 561 Last) = 57% Chief Jay Strongbow: 1809 matches (31 World, 708 Last) = 54% Edge: 1568 matches (321 World, 530 Last) = 53% Ivan Putski: 1524 matches (13 World, 633 Last) = 50% The Ultimate Warrior: 1022 matches (173 World, 455 Last) = 48% the Big Show: 1544 matches (219 World, 483 Last) = 43% CM Punk: 946 matches (261 World, 273 Last) = 33% Glen Jacobs: 2088 matches (199 World, 488 Last) = 32% Sgt Slaughter: 959 matches (158 World, 306 Last) = 31% Big John Studd: 895 matches (53 World, 330 Last) = 30% Yokozuna: 627 matches (161 World, 218 Last) = 28% Ivan Koloff: 499 matches (85 World, 205 Last) = 25% Mr Fuji: 1302 matches (34 World, 366 Last) = 25% Ken Patera: 909 matches (54 World, 285 Last) = 25% Paul Orndorff: 776 matches (83 World, 242 Last) = 24% Prof Toru Tanaka: 592 matches (35 World, 225 Last) = 23% Brock Lesnar: 326 matches (120 World, 139 Last) = 23% Sheamus: 525 matches (168 World, 150 Last) = 23% Afa: 707 matches (25 World, 237 Last) = 22% Greg Valentine: 1994 matches (68 World, 436 Last) = 21% Rick Rude: 658 matches (45 World, 214 Last) = 21% Jake Roberts: 1197 matches (3 World, 318 Last) = 21% The Junkyard Dog: 858 matches (0 World, 260 Last) = 20% George Steele: 980 matches (66 World, 251 Last) = 20% Don Muraco: 1237 matches (76 World, 289 Last) = 20% Gorilla Monsoon: 689 matches (3 World, 225 Last) = 20% Jimmy Valiant: 512 matches (21 World, 185 Last) = 20% Spiros Arion: 468 matches (49 World, 165 Last) = 20% Johnny Valiant: 618 matches (10 World, 207 Last) = 20% Stan Stasiak: 585 matches (46 World, 185 Last) = 20% ... Jimmy Snuka: 1141 matches (24 World, 270 Last) = 17% (right by Blackjack Mulligan, Booker T, ADR and Haystacks Calhoun) Curt Hennig: 1098 matches (56 World, 186 Last) = 10% (right between Dean Ho, Bob Orton Jr, Scott Irwin and John Tenta) Dick Murdoch: 164 matches (3 World, 27 Last) = 8% (right by Nailz, Ray Traylor, Buddy Rose and Dino Bravo) Owen Hart: 1470 matches (80 World, 197 Last) = 5% (right by Outback Jack, Mike Shaw, Duane Gill and Pete Austin)

Jojo Andrews: I wrestled with Tony Garea. I knew Tony Garea. Tony Garea was a friend of mine. Brotha, you're no Tony Garea. (Prolonged shouts and applause.)

I can't figure out how to make the thing big enough to read. Any advice? Noting your caveat on sorting, I note it doesn't seem to have a title challenge for Mad Dog to Bockwinkel in 1983. I'd need to see the list bigger to be sure I'm reading it right, though. EDIT: Looking/squinting at it again, I think I was wrong and it says 11 title matches in 1983, which would be more accurate. Don't lose your eyesight! https://sites.google.com/site/chrisharringt...ics/awa_results The full-sized chart is linked there.

I took a stab a question someone asked me: What were Hulk Hogan's attendance numbers like, on average, in the 80s? I looked at 19,000+ WWWF/WWF/WWE shows from thehistoryofwwe.com from 1963-2013 and pulled attendance numbers for the shows from the descriptions (about six thousand of the shows had attendance numbers). Keep in mind: * Attendance quotes from this era are hardly a scientific number because "announced" figures were exaggerated and I have no idea where these estimates originally came from. * Obviously Hogan was going to work the largest cities. The other crews went to the smaller markets, so it's likely to be skewed towards the tours that Hogan (as the top guy) was on. * I have estimates for a portion of the shows, usually about 40% from 1984 through 1991. The smaller cities are more likely to be the cities without estimates so you're getting an incomplete picture. * Exceptionally large events (like PPVs) are going to skew the numbers which Hogan was very likely to work. 1984: 693 shows (65 shows w/ attendance figures and Hogan matches, 94 shows with attendance figures without Hogan matches) 1985: 668 shows (84 shows w/ attendance figures and Hogan matches, 169 shows with attendance figures without Hogan matches) 1986: 746 shows (106 shows w/ attendance figures and Hogan matches, 185 shows with attendance figures without Hogan matches) 1987: 754 shows (123 shows w/ attendance figures and Hogan matches, 225 shows with attendance figures without Hogan matches) 1988: 637 shows (66 shows w/ attendance figures and Hogan matches, 191 shows with attendance figures without Hogan matches) 1989: 640 shows (88 shows w/ attendance figures and Hogan matches, 146 shows with attendance figures without Hogan matches) 1990: 670 shows (63 shows w/ attendance figures and Hogan matches, 220 shows with attendance figures without Hogan matches) 1991: 490 shows (71 shows w/ attendance figures and Hogan matches, 133 shows with attendance figures without Hogan matches) Average Attendance 1984: 10,857 attendance for shows with Hogan / 5,737 attendance for shows without Hogan 1985: 11,437 attendance for shows with Hogan / 6,407 attendance for shows without Hogan 1986: 11,756 attendance for shows with Hogan / 6,292 attendance for shows without Hogan 1987: 10,440 attendance for shows with Hogan / 4,770 attendance for shows without Hogan 1988: 10,354 attendance for shows with Hogan / 5,338 attendance for shows without Hogan 1989: 10,983 attendance for shows with Hogan / 5,802 attendance for shows without Hogan 1990: 10,404 attendance for shows with Hogan / 4,778 attendance for shows without Hogan 1991: 9,767 attendance for shows with Hogan / 5,233 attendance for shows without Hogan 1984-1991: 10,804 attendance for shows with Hogan / 5,483 attendance for shows without Hogan Is it definitive? As you go through the cities, you certainly find examples of both where Hogan drew more in a given city than the tours without him and times when the numbers are very similar. Consider: a city like Vancouver, British Columbia; we have six shows with attendance figures - three with Hogan (average 10,500) and three without Hogan (average 4,148). Still, they're in different years, with different line-ups. Here were the cards: Hogan Shows WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - BC Place - July 5, 1986 (16,000+) WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Big John Studd Also included WWF Tag Team Champions Davey Boy Smith & the Dynamite Kid WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - PNE Coliseum - December 2, 1990 (about 10,000) WWF Tag Team Champion Jim Neidhart pinned Demolition Smash Black Bart pinned Koko B. Ware The Legion of Doom defeated the Orient Express & Mr. Fuji in a handicap match Tugboat pinned Dino Bravo Davey Boy Smith pinned Buddy Rose Sgt. Slaughter pinned Jim Duggan WWF IC Champion Mr. Perfect defeated Kerry Von Erich via count-out; Roddy Piper was the guest referee for the bout Earthquake defeated Hulk Hogan via count-out WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - Pacific Coliseum - July 7, 1991 (5,500) Ricky Steamboat vs. the Brooklyn Brawler Tugboat vs. Koko B. Ware Shawn Michaels & Marty Jannetty vs. Paul Roma & Hercules Bret Hart vs. IRS Virgil vs. Ted Dibiase The Legion of Doom vs. WWF Tag Team Champions the Nasty Boys Davey Boy Smith vs. WWF IC Champion Mr. Perfect WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan vs. Sgt. Slaughter (Desert Storm match) Non-Hogan Shows WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - December 6, 1984 (1,700) Gama Singh defeated Ben Bassarab Bret Hart defeated Mr. Fuji Moondog Spot defeated Steve Austin (Ray Evans) Angelo Mosca defeated the Iron Sheik in a Death Match WWF Women's Champion Wendi Richter defeated the Fabulous Moolah George Wells defeated Nikolai Volkoff via disqualification Tony Atlas defeated Moondog Rex Tito Santana defeated WWF IC Champion Greg Valentine via count-out WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - PNE Coliseum - September 9, 1986 (7,000) Owen Hart pinned Moose Morowski Iron Mike Sharpe pinned Terry Gibbs Danny Spivey pinned Bret Hart Jim Neidhart pinned Mike Rotundo Billy Jack Haynes defeated Bob Orton Jr. via disqualification Tito Santana pinned Nikolai Volkoff WWF IC Champion Randy Savage defeated George Steele via count-out Big & Super Machine defeated Big John Studd & King Kong Bundy via disqualification WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - July 21, 1990 (3,744) Shane Douglas pinned Black Bart WWF World Champion the Ultimate Warrior pinned Rick Rude Paul Roma pinned Paul Diamond Nikolai Volkoff pinned Boris Zhukov Koko B. Ware pinned the Genius The Bushwhackers defeated Greg Valentine & the Honkytonk Man via disqualification The Big Bossman pinned Ted Dibiase It is conclusive proof? Hardly; but it's an interesting example. However, there's a lot of missing attendance figures for other cards in this city including: WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - February 25, 1985 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - January 26, 1985 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - November 9, 1986 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - PNE Coliseum - May 16, 1986 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - PNE Coliseum - September 5, 1986 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - January 22, 1987 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - Pacific Coliseum - May 14, 1987 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - PNE Coliseum - September 1, 1987 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - PNE Coliseum - November 10, 1987 (Had Hogan wrestling) WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - PNE Coliseum - January 18, 1988 (Had Hogan wrestling) WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - July 1988 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - Pacific Coliseum - August 27, 1988 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - Pacific Coliseum - December 12, 1988 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - PNE Coliseum - October 17, 1988 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - Pacific Coliseum - February 28, 1989 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - PNE Coliseum - December 8, 1989 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - PNE Coliseum - July 1, 1989 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - March 19, 1990 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - May 24, 1991 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - Pacific Coliseum - February 20, 1991 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - Pacific Coliseum - November 2, 1991 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - January 10, 1992 WWF @ Vancouver, British Columbia - Pacific Coliseum - June 11, 1992 Without all of these other datapoints, there's certainly a lot of selection bias and incomplete datasets in play when you're looking at which cities Hogan went on tour and which cities Hogan did not.

I few years ago, I threw together a whole bunch of AWA records from the Clawmaster Here are the challengers to the AWA Champion from that source. (Note, I filtered explictly on singles matches involving "AWA Champion"; if the championship was not explicitly noted, I would have missed the match.)

Well, Misawa did go to Mexico along with Koshinaka for EMLL as the heel tag team as "Kamikaze Misawa" and "Samurai Shiro." When he returned to Japan as Tiger Mask (8/26/84), it was against La Fiera who had been his trainer in Mexico.

Eventually, it should end up on my website (indeedwrestling.com) which has most of the larger projects I've worked on; this stuff I've been posting on twitter (which isn't a central place) and on my blog (indeedwrestling.blogspot.com). Hardly. I was just motivated today after spending a week without access to a computer.