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[1991-11-30-WCW-Power Hour] Missy Does The Mail: Lex Luger & Harley Race
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
Loss has it right; Missy's always been a heel except when she was feuding with Heyman. Unfortunately for all concerned, that's the only time her character's ever been worth anything in WCW. Between her own shortcomings and the awful presentation of her segments (remember her getting chased out of the locker room consistently earlier this year?), she's had virtually no chance for success since she came to Atlanta. You'd have to go back to Eddie Gilbert's '88 run in Memphis to find the last time she was used effectively. Luger and Race really aren't much here. It does feel like Luger's spinning his wheels a little; Rick's just a placeholder challenger until Sting's done with Rude and the fans know it. But what other choice does WCW have at this point? I didn't know that Simmons was legitimately hurt around this time. What was the nature of his injury?- 8 replies
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[1991-11-19-WCW-Clash of the Champions VII] Lex Luger vs Rick Steiner
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
This match actually did more to build up the Luger/Rick program than the Worldwide angle did. This was a vintage Flair match right out of the mid-eighties, the only difference being Luger's use of the belt as a weapon. I didn't much care for the outside interference, since Scotty was supposed to be in Rick's corner specifically to prevent it. But even at that, it was three on two, so it made sense that the one Scotty couldn't get to would interfere when they had the chance, or that Luger would provide a distraction so either Race or Hughes could interfere. At least both of them got their just desserts in the end, even if Rick didn't get the belt. I know you love your football, JR, but going into CFL history to put Luger over was a bit much, especially since the only reason he went to Canada to play is because he was supposedly too big of a hothead to last in college ball. Rick looked like the stronger of the two guys here, which was surprising considering that Luger had the more impressive physique. Maybe he (Luger) was physically dominant in the part of the bout we didn't get to see. Now we know why they were still promoting Rick as the top challenger to the title on the house show circuit later in the month. I wonder if the matches drew, or if the fans were saving their money for Luger/Sting. The movie shown after the Clash was An Eye for an Eye, starring Robert Lansing, Patrick Wayne, and Slim Pickens.- 7 replies
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[1991-11-30-USWA-Memphis TV] Tom Prichard and Eric Embry
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
Great work from both guys, and Embry has a point: I doubt very seriously whether Dr. Tom has too many fans right now, even though he's being portrayed as the "good guy" in this situation. All the dirty deeds he's done are still too fresh in the people's minds. Is it just me, or does Dr. Tom not only sound like Piper, but also look quite a bit like him, even with the different hairstyles of both men? I've liked Marlin getting physically involved for the most part, but picking up a chair to break up a fight that he's not directly involved in is a bit much, even if he does hate Embry's guts. This was a job for Jeff, or maybe even Lawler. Welcome back to the Southern heavyweight title, which has gone AWOL in recent months. I wasn't even aware that Embry had won it until Dr. Tom brought it up during their confrontation. -
[1991-11-30-USWA-Memphis TV] Interview: The Sandman
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
So this is how Hak got started. I've never seen a surfer dude heel before; most surfer types happy-go-lucky gladhanding faces, like Sting. Acrually, Sting vs. vs. this version of Hak might have been a decent feud in WCW around this time, a sort of wrestling answer to Superman vs. Bizarro. Nice use of a WWF-style background. I love Dave, but there are certain types of guys he doesn't have chemistry with, and I have a feeling that Hak would have been one of them. It was probably better for everyone that he got a chance to say his piece uninterrupted, at least for now. -
[1991-11-19-WCW-Clash of the Champions VII] Sting, Madusa and Lex Luger
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
So that's how we got Crow Sting! I never knew that. Thanks, Loss!- 11 replies
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[1991-11-16-WCW-Saturday Night] Dustin Rhodes and Arn Anderson
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Dustin's finally finding his own voice; he starts out doing his dad, but drops the accent about halfway through and starts to talk as his own man, which is more compelling. Arn's the star of the segment, though; he mixes threats and intimidation with seemingly legitimate, if self-serving, concern for Dustin's career. Dustin, of course, is having none of this and wants Arn in the ring, but Arn wants to wait until he's getting paid for the privilege. Not exactly earth-shattering as far as confrontations go, but a good way to build interest for the tag title match at the Clash. No hint of Steamboat's presence yet, but since Barry's injury was legit and they presumably knew that he wouldn't be wrestling, they could have gone ahead and announced that a mystery partner would team with Dustin a few days ahead of time to build anticipation and interest.- 7 replies
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I don't think Sting hijacking the ambulance is silly under the circumstances. He knows that he has no business leaving the hospital with the injury he has, but he won't allow Rude and Heyman the satisfaction of exercising that loophole in the contract and being able to call him a coward and a quitter for the rest of his life. The last time I checked, the only way you can leave a hospital quickly and against medical advice if you don't have access to a car is to steal an ambulance. Let's just hope this one gets Sting to the arena on time! Has any other promotion ever done an angle similar to this? I'm almost positive that this isn't entirely original, but I've honestly never heard of another promotion doing anything like it.
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[1991-11-09-WCW-Saturday Night] Lex Luger and Rick Steiner
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
Luger actually looked better here than he did against Simmons at Havoc, both in and out of the ring. I like how he still actually considered Rick a friend when he came out, then treated him like a child and expected him to stand for it simply because Luger is the champion. He was a lot crisper once the match got started too, though he didn't get a lot of offense. For whatever reason, he seemed motivated here. Rick, on the other hand, seemed especially dippy even by his standards. We all know that the Dogfaced Gremlin gimmick is basically George Steele with the ability to speak in complete sentences, but even so, watching him greet Lex like it was the old days when they were all part of the Dudes with Attitudes in the light of all Lex has done to guys like Simmons and Windham was a bit tough to take. Even tougher was what we saw afterward. "I thought he was gonna show me some secret new moves he's learned while he's been champ." Really, Rick? Really? Did it ever occur to you to ask your buddy Lex why guys like Harley Race and Curtis Hughes are hanging around him when he's never needed them before? Did you not see the three of them jump from behind and beat up guys like Simmons and Windham? What's it going to take to convince you that Lex isn't your friend anymore? The sad part is that Rick's cut quite a few promos where he's at least had enough on the ball to realize who his true friends and enemies are. Yes, the Dogface Gremlin is supposed to be a little goofy and slow upstairs, but he's not supposed to be completely without a lick of sense in his head. Why he was portrayed here not just as childlike and simple, but actively stupid I have no clue. It certainly doesn't make me more confident that he can prevail at the Clash. The shock will come if Luger, Race, and Hughes don't find a way to outsmart and confuse him as often as they need to during the bout, regardless of Scotty's presence at ringside. Loss, do you have any better suggestions for what they could have done with Luger at the Clash under the circumstances? I understand why Rick's mot exactly dream match material for Lex, especially with the belt at stake, but Simmons has been put down, Windham's out of action, and Sting's busy with Rude. Who else would you rather have seen in Rick's place here?- 8 replies
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[1991-11-19-WCW-Clash of the Champions VII] Sting, Madusa and Lex Luger
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
I forgot about Lex only wanting to work so many dates a year. It kind of makes you wonder why they put the belt on him in the first place; he'd have been better off as a face challenger to a heel Windham, although Barry hasn't missed a beat as a face since the Bash. On the other hand, from all I've heard Vince is in a similar position with Brock Lesnar today, and he works harder than Lex ever did when he's on a show, looking like a monster and popping crowds wherever he goes. So far, Harley and Hughes have both worked circles around Lex, who looked like the blown-up musclehead he's always been against Simmons and really hasn't done much at all outside of a few half-decent beatdowns of Windham right after his turn. He was much better as the face U.S. champion in my book. Thanks for the info, Pete!- 11 replies
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[1991-11-16-USWA-Memphis TV] Music Video: Gravedigger
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
That's understandable, Loss. I never thought of it that way. Still, there's a reason why Taker's an all-time legend and this guy isn't, unless someone like Nash is moonlighting and not telling anyone. Like I said, I'll wait to see this guy work before I make a judgment, although I don't recall seeing him on the matchlist for the rest of this set. Does anyone know who he turned out to be?- 10 replies
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Sting's knee swelled up three or four times its normal size? And he's not going in for immediate surgery? Come on, guys, lay off the hyperbole, for heaven's sake. A guy wrestling with a 106 degree fever makes more sense than that. (Actually, if Sting's knee was swollen that badly, they wouldn't be able to do much with it at all, including take definitive medical tests such as MRIs.) I notice that they went out of their way not to identify the "medical facility" Sting went to, so I'm guessing they were just backstage in a place where no fans could see. Nice use of "technical difficulties" to establish the illusion of distance. Note to the WCW technical crew: If you're going to tell your announcers to get their heads out of camera range, turn your mics off first!
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[1991-11-19-WCW-Clash of the Champions VII] Sting, Madusa and Lex Luger
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
Luger as the sender of the boxes was a good thought, but there's been no build to it, not even a hint. Is this supposed to mean that Cactus and Abby were working for him the whole time? Has Heyman been in on it? If so, was he responsible for hooking Luger up with Race and Hughes in the first place? It's a pretty safe bet that none of the above questions entered Dusty's mind for a minute. The truth most likely is that he wanted to run Sting/Luger on pay-per-view, and this is the start of the buildup to it. Okay, but then why bother to bring Rude in and feud him specifically with Sting? Even if you want him to take the U.S. belt, why? Wouldn't a matchup of the reigning U.S. champion against the reigning World champion generate more interest, similar to what happened with Hogan/Warrior at Mania VI? I know that we like to see guys handle more than one feud at a time, but the Stinger still has to finish up with Cactus and Abby, and the issue with Rude's barely even begun. There's such a thing as feud overload, and right now I think Sting has it. I don't fault Sting for paying attention to Medusa; name me a red-blooded male who wouldn't, even if she was working for his sworn enemies. But did he have to act so thrilled? Did he really think that Medusa had reformed, or was he just so horny that he couldn't have cared less? Fun-loving Sting is one thing; hormone-crazed middle school punk Sting I can do without very nicely. I couldn't tell that Luger attacked the wrong knee, but does it really make a difference? No matter which knee you bang off of a heavy wooden platform, there's going to be significant damage. In fact, I'd have probably told Luger to go for Sting's good right knee if I were Dusty; one wrong bump on the repaired one and we're talking the legit end of a career.- 11 replies
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Oh, good grief. This interview was going so well until Medusa showed up with Sting talking about how he was going to introduce Rude to what WCW is all about at the Clash. Then Medusa comes out with her bad imitation of a cross between Marlene Dietrich and Zsa Zsa Gabor, and all of a sudden middle school recess breaks out. How many bad puns can one possibly make about the words "rude" and "stinger"? I think we may find out before this angle's over, unfortunately. Worse yet, Medusa's distracted Sting so badly that he forgets to collect the belt from JR and has to come back for it. This is supposed to be the angle that takes WCW by storm? No wonder Corny turned it down. One good thing: Dusty is finally trying to wrap up the whole gift box angle that led to Cactus and Abby's debuts. It's nice to see continuity whenever it appears in wrestling. That said, couldn't that part of the story have been wrapped up a little sooner so Mick and Abby, who will have nothing to do with the Dangerous Alliance, could be a part of the blowoff?
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[1991-11-16-WCW-Saturday Night] Interview: Rick Rude & Paul E. Dangerously
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
I think I've changed my mind a bit about Rude. I still prefer the sleazier WWF version for now, but he's impressing me as a serious character a lot more now than he did when he was challenging Warrior. The "where you've been, I've been" stuff may not be strictly true, but it certainly helps the fans to see them as two athletes on the same level and creates more excitement for a match that just a few months ago might have been seen as only semi-competitive based on Rude's previous reputation. Heyman, on the other hand, is off to a bad start. He has the potential to be the Bobby Heenan of the nineties, but screaming about Clarence Thomas and the new governor of Louisiana so loudly that he can barely be understood isn't the way to fulfill it. More importantly, he comes across as not really caring about Rude or the U.S. title; he wants Sting crippled for his own totally separate and distinct purposes. That's all well and good, but there are guys already on the roster who fit the description of crippler better than Rude, two of whom Sting's already feuding with. Why bother creating the Dangerous Alliance? Why not simply attach yourself to Cactus and Abby, who already want to cripple Sting? Why spend your own money to being in Rude and Medusa if your ultimate plan doesn't really need them to be successful? They really need to get these two in sync goalwise if this partnership is to be believable. JR doesn't help at all with his eyerolling and impatience. Plenty of guys have spewed bullshit just as unbelievable if not moreso than Heyman's over JR's long career; that's the nature of the business. But given how grumpy we know JR to be behind the scenes, and how he's always tended to treat Heyman as a real-life pain in the ass while on camera, I can't believe he's entirely working here, and that's bad. If he continues to think so little of the Paul E. character, and Heyman himself can't dial it back to at least somewhat saner levels going forward, this whole angle could end up as cartoonish as anything Vince has put out since expansion. I've always heard good things about the Dangerous Alliance in WCW, so I'm willing to sit tight and see where this all goes. But it's not exactly off to a rousing start in my book.- 7 replies
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[1991-11-16-USWA-Memphis TV] Music Video: Gravedigger
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
It's when you see knockoffs like this that you realize just how awesome (in a literal sense) the Undertaker gimmick was and still is. Maybe it's because I know that this guy will be nothing more than one of Lawler's Freaks of the Week, to be beaten and forgotten in the same evening, but I couldn't get into this at all. I can't see how this could be creepier than one of Taker's entrances, either. I'll give them points for actually showing the guy (supposedly) digging a grave, but that's as far as I'll go until I actually see him wrestle, assuming I ever do. What this really makes me want to see is Taker and Percy invade Memphis once the working agreement between the WWF and the USWA begins. I wouldn't doubt that the two of them have wrestled each other while Calloway's been Taker, but I can't seem to recall any sort of program between them. (I remember that they faced off while Calloway was in Memphis as the Master of Pain back in early '90.) Did the Gravedigger turn out to be anyone we should know?- 10 replies
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[1991-11-16-USWA-Memphis TV] Interview: Nate the Rat
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
Pete called this guy a cross between Paul Bearer and Brother Love. I think we ought to throw the WWF version of Jimmy Hart in there as well. I don't know what to say about the rats crawling all over Nate's body, except that I hope they're domesticated. Gravedigger, Undertaker. Same difference, or so Lawler probably thought when he came up with the idea. . -
[1991-11-16-USWA-Memphis TV] The Spirit of America vignette
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
Why Embry's wasting his time with someone we're not supposed to have ever heard of before is something I can't understand. This gimmick seems to be one of those "so babyfaced he's a heel" type deals. We're supposed to get behind someone who picks up trash for fun? Even if this guy's supposed to be more patriotic than Hulk Hogan, Jim Duggan, and Sgt. Slaughter put together, this is way too much. This guy needed to debut in the ring first to win over the fans, then start with the vignettes and a possible Embry feud. -
[1991-11-04-WWF-Primetime Wrestling] Genichiro Tenryu in the studio
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
Tenryu came halfway around the world to be treated like an ignorant foreigner who neither speaks nor understands English (except for "weasel", of course) and to listen to grade-school racial jokes from Heenan? That tax write-off better have been huge. The worst part was Mooney mispronouncing Tenryu's name. That almost had to be on orders from Vince, because someone as detail-oriented as he is wouldn't let crap like that go by accidentally. If I'd been in charge of SWS, I'd have told Vince to keep his money and his rings and choke on them after seeing this segment. Then again, since SWS was (I'm pretty sure) Tenryu's baby to start with, he most likely helped plan the whole thing, which raises the unfortunateness of it to a whole new level. At this point, I'm openly pining for the glory days of the bananaphone, Jamison, and the Rosatti Sisters, not to mention Gino and some actual arena matches. No wonder Raw was only a little over a year away.- 8 replies
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[1991-11-19-WCW-Clash of the Champions VII] Battlebowl Commercial
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
This seems like a mixture of the Survivor Series and the Royal Rumble, which is intriguing in theory. But if what I've read about the execution (both this year and in future years) is true, they'd have been better off not bothering, especially since it meant a total absence of championship matches on the card. Could you imagine WrestleMania, which Starrcade is supposed to WCW's equivalent of, with no title matches whatsoever? I can't either. They needed to make this its own pay-per-view, or do a dry run at a Clash similar to the WWF debuting the Royal Rumble on USA in 1988 in order to get the kinks out of the rules and see if it could be a viable concept for future pay-per-views.- 7 replies
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[1991-11-16-WWF-Superstars] Sgt. Slaughter vignette
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
After thinking it over, I think I've come up with at least one reason why Vince chose to do Sarge's turn this way: Adnan and Sheik were both so physically limited that a Slaughter turn and feud simply wasn't going to work no matter what, and there was really no other way for Sarge to turn that didn't involve some sort of altercation with them. I have a match on a Sarge set I picked up, a handicap match from December of '91 at MSG where Sarge squashes both of them in less than five minutes of disc time, which includes entrances from both sides. I think Adnan actually looked more capable than Sheik did, if my memory's right. Faced with that as an alternative, Vince probably saw these vignettes as a safer way to go. That doesn't excuse how poorly they were written, nor does it excuse Sarge being every bit the obnoxious blowhard he was when he was supporting Iraq. But it provides at least some explanation of why Vince chose to go this route instead of the others Pete mentioned, both of which seemed like givens considering the people involved. Sure, there might have been a few house show matches like the one I just mentioned, but a long-term, or even short-term, angle where Sarge's opponents could neither work well nor cut promos- remember, Adnan had never spoken English in the WWF, and Mustafa would be exposed as Sheik the second he opened his mouth, which Vince wanted no part of- would have been just as big a disaster as these vignettes were. -
Another big win for the Misawa side, and things feel a little more even in general, with Jumbo submitting to Misawa and almost getting pinned by Kawada, now Taue getting beaten here. (I know that the Jumbo/Kawada singles match actually took place two weeks after this, but I've already watched it.) This seemed almost like a showcase for the third-stringers, as Ogawa and Kikuchi did most of the work and looked very good doing it. There were enough teases of the other combinations to remind viewers of past battles, and no one looked like they were the so-called "designated jobber", which always makes for an exciting bout. I understand what Pete's saying about Misawa coming back from his beating on the floor too quickly, but I think this was one of those times when realism was sacrificed for the sake of a crowd-popping finish. Almost everyone seemed to have a version of a sleeper or front facelock-style submission, which makes sense considering the stories being told in the last few matches. Even though Misawa's facelock didn't directly lead to Taue's loss, it certainly played a part in it, so now the last three matches we've seen between the sides in chronological order on the Yearbook have seen a Jumbo sleeper submission over Kikuchi, a Misawa facelock submission over Jumbo, and Misawa pinning Taue after severely weakening him with the facelock, plus Kawada nearly putting Jumbo out with the sleeper on several occasions during their 10/24 singles match. It'll be interesting to see how this trend plays a role in upcoming matches. If the six-man still to come five days later is better than this, it'll be a Match of the Year candidate. Looking forward to it!
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[1991-10-27-WCW-Halloween Havoc] Lex Luger vs Ron Simmons (2/3 falls)
garretta replied to Loss's topic in October 1991
I hated this one. Luger looked legitimately bad, completely gassed from almost the beginning to the end. He wasn't selling or building drama, he was just lethargic and musclebound. No wonder they were so happy to see him go to Vince; I would be too if he stunk up my pay-per-view like that. I can understand why so many people called this a solid heel performance, because Flair got his ass kicked this way so many times. But he looked a thousand times more energetic doing it, both taking and giving offense. The only good thing Luger did was sell his back to cover for his lethargy, and I'm convinced that's what it was. I'm not even sure he wanted to be out there. That's a shame, because Simmons worked his heart out for all three falls, putting on the performance of his career so far to no good end. He won't even sniff another shot at the belt for a while after getting cleanly pinned in the third fall with the piledriver, which is the only move Luger truly executed all night. I thought the setup, with Ron knocking himself for a loop on the post, was inspired. Race and Dusty were tremendous, particularly Dusty, who sounded exactly like a coach would in keeping with the football theme of the match. Harley worked harder than Luger, particularly when it came to the second fall DQ, which I've never seen anything like in my life. I'm surprised JJ didn't do something like that for a Horsemen title match back in the day. In keeping with my feelings about Luger regarding this match, I wonder if the reason we didn't hear more (actually, almost nothing) from Luger's corner is because he looked so lifeless and Harley was legitimately pissed at him for stinking up the joint so royally, no pun intended. That kind of performance couldn't have been easy for him to watch. Of course, that kind of reaction also added drama to the story being told, as Harley could be portrayed as scared to death that Luger was going to drop the title. JR and Tony were terrific here, and for once JR's football analogies added to the match, as he was able to compare and contrast football and wrestling seamlessly, plus weave in anecdotes about each man's legit college and pro football credentials. Tony was wonderful picking up the strategic points that JR missed along the way, and I'm impressed with these two as a team. I also liked Tony pointing out the past history between Dusty and Harley; each of them was still enough of a player that it meant a little something even all these years later. The crowd wasn't nearly as lively as I thought they'd be, and Luger's living trainwreck of a performance didn't help one iota. Still, they really didn't pop for Ron either, even after he beat Luger so cleanly and quickly in the first fall. I think Dusty was smart to speed things up a bit after this and get to the Luger/Sting buildup; that's the match most WCW fans had wanted since the Bash, and probably the only one involving Luger that would have really excited them on this night.- 14 replies
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[1991-10-24-AJPW-October Giant Series] Jumbo Tsuruta vs Toshiaki Kawada
garretta replied to Loss's topic in October 1991
I don't know if I'd call it one of '91's best matches, but it's certainly a showcase for Kawada, as he gets to dominate Jumbo in a way few others have to this point. Unfortunately, he can't quite bring home the victory that's within his grasp, as he applies the sleeper on multiple occasions but is always thwarted by Jumbo getting to the ropes. The last time, he inexplicably lets go of the hold just before Jumbo goes to dreamland and never gets the chance to apply it again, as Jumbo comes up with just enough offense to escape with the Triple Crown intact, ending with a Jumbo Driver so powerful that Kawada is left motionless in the ring. Nice work on the head and neck by Kawada to set up the sleeper. Actually, the head and neck has been Jumbo's Achilles heel throughout '91 and going back into late '90. It's amazing that all of his opponents don't target it as relentlessly as Kawada does here. Showing the entrances of each wrestler in detail gives any match a big-time feel, and this was no exception. It really put the thought in the fans' minds that this could be Kawada's night, although it turned out not to be. That's the kind of attention to detail that you seldom find anymore in wrestling. Glad to see that Kawada gets at least one more shot at Jumbo down the road. In the meantime, I'll enjoy the two big six-mans yet to go this month (at least on my watch list). They should be real classics!- 12 replies
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The match portion of this wasn't as bad as I thought it would be after reading the comments. Considering that the gimmick itself was insane, the action wasn't bad. It was kind of like WarGames without the teamwork, and almost everyone I've read, myself included, thinks that WarGames is the ultimate cage match. I could have lived without the Chamber of Horrors being smack dab in the middle of the ring, but where else could it have conceivably gone? The only thing I might have done differently would have been to eliminate the small cage and just have the chair in the middle, but that would have increased the chances of guys tripping over it or inadvertently sitting down in it before it was time for the finish. We didn't need the ghouls or the guys popping up out of caskets. They should have put weapons in the caskets instead and have regular officials be the stretcher bearers, though I have to admit that it was fun to see Abby and Mick beat the ghouls up after Abby escaped the chair. Kudos to Tony for pointing out how dangerous this match was for Sting and the U.S. title, even if you ignore the fact that he was also the soon-to-be number one contender for the World title. So it was Mick who wasn't supposed to be in the match, according to JR. We all assumed it was Vader because he wasn't part of the buildup. I thought Mick was the reason for the match, that it was something that only people as crazy as Cactus Jack and Abdullah the Butcher could be at home in. I wonder how they would have justified Windham actually being on the heel side; maybe since Abby was so big, Barry would have joined the faces and the match would have been fought five-on-three. I didn't mind the Refer-Eye; as crazy as this match was anyway, why not have Patrick wear a camera on his head? The puns and references to electricity were there right from the ring announcements, and they sort of trivialized the match, at least in my eyes. If the action hadn't been so gritty, talking about the match that way would have made it seem like even more of a gimmick than it was. I saw the tombstone for the Twins; it was a cute (but ultimately fruitless) inside joke. I don't think they had much choice on the date if they wanted the card to be done before Halloween, especially if Vince was still enforcing the clause in his contract prohibiting the likes of Viewer's Choice from running competing pay-per-views within thirty days of a WWF event. This one just made it over the line; October 27 was thirty-one days before the November 27 Survivor Series. If the line about Abby not wanting to be in heaven was Tony's best of the night, "He's well done, guys!" was second, especially considering Larry Shreeve's choice of a second career. This may be Tony's best pay-per-view performance to date, regardless of role or promotion.
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[1991-11-02-WWF-Superstars] Bret Hart and The Mountie
garretta replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
On watching this at first, I thought it was well-done. But the holes start to appear when you think about it for a while. The biggest one has already been pointed out by Kevin: Why would Jacques, who's looking for a championship match, attack Bret before the bout ever started, thus ensuring that Bret can't wrestle? Why not either goad Bret into putting up the belt verbally or just get in there and beat him? Of course, Jacques could be ensuring that Bret signs for more than one title match once he recovers, but who knows if he will, the way he was shocked? This hole goes hand-in-hand with another: What does Jacques being a jailbird have to do with the IC title? That's one hell of a lame excuse in my book, although it certainly got the crowd to pop, which was the idea. All Bret would have had to do was call Jacques a loser instead and the same point would have been made. Besides, if he's a loser and a jailbird, shouldn't you be able to beat him rather easily, even with the belt on the line? The attack itself was done well, although having Jacques come back for two or three extra shocks was overkill and made the refs look powerless. One shock, maybe two, would have more than sufficed. I thought the water was an inspired touch that not many other promotions would have thought of; this is a time when Vince's attention to detail paid off positively. Jacques on the mic beforehand was annoying, constantly repeating himself like he did, but the gimmick was designed that way, so it came off as deliberate and in character rather than Jacques not knowing what else to say. The announcers were okay here, although Vince trying to paint Jacques as the WWF's number one heel ahead of Jake, Flair, and Taker (in that order) was ridiculous. Piper had the line of the segment with the "breakfast from jail" comment about what Jimmy was carrying to the ring, and good on Savage for reminding the world that Jacques isn't a pimple on Jake's ass when it comes to being hated. You can tell that the Hart Foundation is no more, by the way; only Bret's wearing the pink and black. I think Neidhart was wearing some checkered getup when he was attacked by Enos and Bloom. With the three gentlemen I mentioned above otherwise occupied, I'm not sure who else Bret could have had an issue with at this time outside of Curt, who was hurt. This needs a little more flavor to really connect with the audience, though. Maybe bring Canadian national pride into the mix, or mention Bret's past with Jimmy. Overall, even with all of its flaws, this was another surprisingly mature WWF angle that adds to the tasty batch they've cooked up since SummerSlam.