Thunderlips

Guessing there's no interest.

My thought would be that someone picks a territory and they get the default roster from Jan 1980. After that, you can trade wrestlers and have feee agents.

Gauging to see if there's any interest in doing territories starting in 1980. Details can be worked out before things get officially started.

Disregard this. We will look at alternatives to the way this works. I find it fair that I got a talent coming back to All Japan. Rusher is still a major player for the company

Since things changed and i'm AJPW now, i will only send Rusher Kimura in a talent exchange only.

Exactly. I will just need your guys help putting together those lists for the Japanese talent. I'm onboard with this also.

The problem with that is that the Japanese promotions aren't allowed to be in the fresh face draft. I have said this multiple times... we are not going to give up US talent to come over and be Japan exclusive. There are Japanese free agents and fresh faces. We will work out those details. It is simply part of the process. There are a ton of Japanese wrestlers who debut in 85 and 86. If we figure out a way for them to be part of it... we can add you guys in the draft but only allow you to pick from the Japanese talent. It seems to be that this game is really tilted towards the US promotions when it's time for a new rule or decision to be made. You are right. It has been tilted that way based off its foundation. Like I have said numerous times... we are ever changing. With this vote, you can see that it was voted to scrap. You have the option to follow that or not continue the game. I hate to throw it out there that way, but everyone is on board with you pming us and setting up different tours. You may be surprised as to who you get instead of going against what we have decided. So plain and simple... for everyone to read... There are NO SET GAIJIN TO TOUR OUTSIDE OF Hansen, Brody, Abdullah, and Mil. Any data from wrestling data or cage match is WHAT did happen... you now have full control over who comes over. Thunderlips, you need to do what Gordi did and communicate with everyone about the tours. I have said this a couple of times. We are not entitled to send you anyone... but everyone here has already said they would... you just need to talk to us. I am sorry for being so hard on this but I have said the same thing over and over. I haven't been able to physically be online and type. I didn't like the fact that decisions were made before I could even chime in on them. To me, that makes things seem sneaky, especially when I told you that I was having the surgery and couldn't be available. This isn't my first foray into booking territories and it won't be my last.

What are you hoping to get out of them? L Train and Stennick have been online. Communication. You ask a lot of questions it seems.

Which in theory is great however you have guys like the Bulldogs who were WWF guys that went to AJPW while the others went to NJPW. Then you have the individuals who we have on our rosters who are touring talents who weren't initially with our promotions back in the 80s. I really think the best thing is what Gordi has done. Plain and simple. He has reached out to us and given us his touring schedule. If Thunderlips does that, he will get the same kind of response and we will give him the talent needed to make his tours special. Everyone here has been sent the dates of each All Japan tour and their dates for every tour. Also listed was the real life wrestlers and the dates they worked for each tour.

The problem with that is that the Japanese promotions aren't allowed to be in the fresh face draft. I have said this multiple times... we are not going to give up US talent to come over and be Japan exclusive. There are Japanese free agents and fresh faces. We will work out those details. It is simply part of the process. There are a ton of Japanese wrestlers who debut in 85 and 86. If we figure out a way for them to be part of it... we can add you guys in the draft but only allow you to pick from the Japanese talent. It seems to be that this game is really tilted towards the US promotions when it's time for a new rule or decision to be made.

I was following the wrestlers who were already coming over according to wrestledata.com

Been home since Thursday the 15th. Have a 9-10 inch scar in front on my dominant shoulder. Having problems just moving around, let alone "1 finger" typing that I've been doing on here.

Any word from the other 2 " new" American promotions?

I hope to be writing as soon as late Dec for Jan 1st. I had a major Shoulder replacement and I'm really unable to do anything but " 1 finger type" currently. We are open to work with all promotions and see All Japan as a true independent. We except all WWF/NWA/AWA champions and title matches and can help out with the booking also, We will also be willing to push your mid-carder into an upper mid-card role for All Japan also.

I'm willing to send over a few young lions from All Japan to CMLL if you want a few.

To show my flexibility, i'd be willing to let New Japan have Brody for the entire year of 1985, as long as I can get something back in return

I have already sent out a statement saying that the bigger the star that gets sent over, the better they get pushed to the moon. I have no problems in giving a semi-regular a title belt. I feel that a wrestler could be used to work in both New & All Japan. I'm willing to let a worker who has a tour that's 30 days in length, work 10 days or so for New Japan. Also, I plan on using the real life tour dates as my schedule.

So if a particular wrestler was scheduled to come over then they will come over no matter what, correct?

Don't like that idea one bit. It really screws over the Japanese promoters and allows the US promotions to essentially not have to send anyone over if they don't want to. I took AJPW over because I knew that I would get certain talent for a period every year. Example, Stan Hansen works for me 88 times in 1985. That's an opportunity that I wouldn't have without the pre-arranged tours.

The problem with that is that the Japanese promotions aren't allowed to be in the fresh face draft.

I'd prefer the predetermined dates as well. That's how I planned everything out. I still think that it would allow New/All Japan to work together at least several times a year. You want it to be special. I would compare it to the real life NJPW/ROH situation. It use to be special when NJPW would have wrestlers appear on ROH shows, no it seems like a regular thing and it loses it's appeal.

All Japan had shows starting 1/2/85. I personally won't be doing much of anything for another 3 weeks or so. Have a 9 inch scar in front of my right shoulder. http://wrestlingdata.com/index.php?befehl=shows&sort=liga&kategorie=3&liga=14&jahr=1985&showart=0&ansicht=0&seite=5

Here is the proper tours for All Japan in 1985. Not all wrestlers work the entire tour. The dates that are Bolded ​that are next to each wrestlers name is the dates they worked. Gekitoh All Stars: 1/2/85 - 2/5/85 Brazo de Oro Brazo de Plata Davey Boy Smith Dynamite Kid Giant Haystacks 1/2 - 1/28 Kabuki Gypsy Joe Jerry Lawler 1/30 - 2/5 Jimmy Valiant 1/30 - 2/5 Killer Khan Tiger Jeet Singh Gekitoh Exciting Wars: 2/22/85 - 3/14/85 Bruiser Brody Chavo Guerrero Harley Race 3/1 - 3/8 Killer Khan Road Warrior Animal 3/8 - 3/14 Road Warrior Hawk 3/8 - 3/14 Tim Brooks Violence! Super Power Wars: 3/29/85 - 4/25/85 Bob Brown Dick Slater 4/8 - 4/25 Killer Khan Ric Flair 4/23 - 4/25 Ron Bass Stan Hansen Ted Dibiase 4/6 - 4/25 Big Lariat Festival: 5/10/85 - 5/16/85 Ben Bassarab Davey Boy Smith Dynamite Kid Killer Khan Stan Hansen Gekishin Thunder Wars: 5/17/85 - 6/13/85 Ben Bassarab Davey Boy Smith Dynamite Kid Killer Khan 5/17 - 6/4 Road Warrior Animal 5/31 - 6/13 Road Warrior Hawk 5/31 - 6/13 Terry Gordy Tiger Jeet Singh Heat Wave Summer Action Wars: 6/28/85 - 7/31/85 Texas Red (Cousin Luke) Harley Race 7/18 - 7/31 Gypsy Joe Jerry Blackwell Killer Khan Stan Hansen Steve Regal Summer Dream Festival: 8/2/85 - 8/8/85 Kamala Killer Khan Dynamite Wars 1985: 8/23/85 - 9/19/85 Dory Funk Jr. 8/23 - 8/30 Terry Funk 8/23 - 8/30 Kabuki 9/1 - 9/19 Harley Race 9/6 - 9/19 Killer Khan Marty Jannetty Miguel Perez Jr. ​Stan Hansen 8/23 - 8/31 Ted Dibiase 8/23 - 8/31 Tim Brooks Tim Horner Tiger Jeet Singh 8/23 - 9/7 AJPW World Champion Carnival: 10/4 -10/31 Billy Robinson 10/4 - 10/24 Chavo Guerrero 10/11 - 10/31 Dory Funk Jr. 10/4/ - 10/25 Terry Funk 10/19 - 10/25 Kabuki 10/11 - 10/31 Killer Khan Ric Flair 10/9 - 10/14 Rick Martel 10/9 - 10/14 Road Warrior Animal 10/19 - 10/31 Road Warrior Hawk 10/19 - 10/31 Terry Gordy New Wave in Japan 1985: 11/1/85 - 11/7/85 Kamala Killer Khan Terry Gordy Real World Tag League: 11/23/85 -12/12/85 Curt Hennig Davey Boy Smith 11/23 - 12/10 Dynamite Kid Dory Funk Jr. Harley Race Jesse Barr Nick Bockwinkel Stan Hansen Ted Dibiase

Now that all the dates have been put "up front" for everyone... double check them on your end and put them in your calendars. I will try and go through this and do it by tour date to clean up the presentation in the initial post, but we will work from this list. I go into the hospital tomorrow for a major operation, but if I have time today (son is home sick), I'll try and put each wrestler if the proper tour.