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A lot depends on the demographics of the voters come 2026, but I'd imagine a lot of the post-2016 NJPW guys are gonna take a big jump, and probably at the cost of a lot of the 80s and less mainstream 90s candidates.

I don't entirely blame him for it, but his influence on modern wrestling has made it so so so much worse.

When he's not running for 60-foot clotheslines, I think he's generally inoffensive, but I can't say great is a word that ever comes to mind when talking about Kuroda.

I'd say he has been easily the best guy in NOAH since the pandemic based on my watching and can't really think of anyone particularly close, although I've been watching less and less NOAH since 2019. He's one of the few guys around anymore that has any sense of hierarchy in his matches and that goes a long way for me. If he's wrestling Quiet Storm or whoever, he's just gonna beat the shit out of him or knock him out, he's not going to set out to have a good match, and that goes a very long way for me.

I think I've seen enough to say Buddy will make my ballot. I'm willing to dock the limited footage guys to a certain extent because I'm partial to the argument that with limited tape and a higher chance of the footage getting lost to time, the stuff we have isn't representative of the whole, but Rogers is in two of the three best matches we have from 1950s and 1960s (Thesz in 50 and O'Connor in 61) and is pretty much always good.

I think, to some degree, it's fine to see gaps in footage and draw some conclusions based on previous work, or do the opposite and say it's wrong to give credit for footage we don't have. I think those are both acceptable viewpoints. I don't think it's in the spirit of the project to rank wrestlers based on 'what could have been' and in Fujii's case, it's not like we are missing footage. I'm pretty sure we have her entire career on tape.

I made the nomination, and I stand by what I wrote then, but closer we get to 2026, the less I see her on my ballot. I just don't see how 3 matches that are good, and strong showings, but not mind-blowing, is enough. I'm willing to project a little for guys like Valentine or Buddy Rogers, where we have limited footage, but we know they had many matches. I'm not willing to say 'well she could have been a great wrestler if she wanted to' is enough to make her one of the 100 greatest wrestlers ever.

So is Grimmas done? We haven't got a new thread for a nominee since March.

I think that all of those bolded matches are on the same level as everything outside the very tip-top of Roman's matches. Outisde of the WM31 match, and one of the Shield/Wyatt matches, I would say the Drew, Sami, and Cody stuff is on the same level of the AJ stuff or the Bryan stuff. I'm not really interested in relitigating the Sami/Roman mudfight, but I agree that if everything in that match was exactly the same, but Sami won, it would have been incredible, but that has nothing to do with Roman the wrestler, outside of the usually top guy politics to remain on top. So, maybe the match could have been better, but I think the one thing you can point to that would improve that match, isn't ultimately on the shoulders of Roman or Sami. As for the length of matches, I love a short match, and I do think you could criticize the Roman main events of being bloated and overbooked, but I personally don't think any of the matches have overstayed their welcome or gone too long.

I don't know if I necessarily agree that his matches have dipped, and I think the Cesaro match was actually one of his weaker singles matches of this run. I thought the Drew match was really good, the Sami match was very good, I liked the Cody match and I'm a low voter on Cody, the stuff with KO and Lesnar was strong. Really, I thought the Cesaro match, and the fact that nothing really came out of it for Cesaro, really hurt him in my eyes. He's one of the only guys who has worked with Roman in this run and came out on the other side in a worse spot. I think that Roman has certainly leaned more into being a character, and relies less on 'having a good match', but I don't think that has hurt his matches. To some degree, that old adage of 'we've already got their money' is true, and when you are over at that level some of that certainly takes over, but I think that it's more of a case where you can get away with doing less when people are invested than it is Roman being worse in-ring.

No, I think it's a borderline business exposing spot. It just looks like light elbows to the shoulder, but I am more than willing to admit that I'm in the minority on that because people seem to love that spot.

Honest and sincere question here. Do you think they look good? Or is it a spot you think is cool and don't care how it looks?

I think he's still a top 10 guy for me, but I will say that the stuff I've seen him do in AEW has really lessened my esteem for him. Like that abysmal 'hammer and the anvil' elbow spot, it always looks awful, a lot of times it ruins the flow of the match, and he does it all of the time. Part of it is that people today eat it up, they love the strike exchanges interspersed with middle fingers and the rest of the workrate slop that's come to dominate wrestling as of late, so in some ways, he's right to lean into that, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or think it's good.

I said this somewhere else, but when you put a poll up in the GWE section, you're going to get a GWE answer. So, Brock's UFC career, star quality, drawing power etc. isn't a consideration. It's based on the footage. I voted Cena, but this is tough. This really comes down to a peak vs quantity sort of deal, where I think Brock at his best is probably better than Cena, although Brock's absolute best match is probably against Cena, but Cena just has so much more stuff, and I wouldn't say its random Raw matches, but matches on PPV, main events, and featured matches that have a very high floor, many of which have a very high ceiling, but he never really hits that sort of pantheon-level HOLY SHIT level Brock can hit.

She's certainly hurt by lack of footage. I don't know how much we have, and I haven't seen any of it if it exists, but her 80s AJW foreign heel stuff seems to be the place to look. Is she on the Houston footage? I don't remember. Anyway, vs Desiree Peterson - Boston Garden 6/22/85 rules.

Not crazy about my guy Dar losing tonight, but Corbin/Carmelo might be good.

I thought his recent run in NOAH was embarrassing, just sloppy and uninteresting outside of the 'Murakami is in current NOAH and wearing a suit' initial reactions.

Greg Valentine, aside from strong stuff with Backlund, pulls out not one but two good matches against Jay Strongbow.

I don't know if it has "consequences" but I am interested to see who wins and what Cody/Brock looks like.

I don't know if I'm gonna end up with Funk at 1 when I submit, but if I do, I'm gonna put Slater at 100 for symmetry.

We are?

I would say vs Patera 4/21/80 is pretty great and the best of the non Slaughter/Backlund stuff we have. He has a good match with DiBiase in 79 I like too, and a TV match with Johnny Rodz that I think is worth checking out. I like Patterson, but I don't see him in the same light as a guy like Johnny Valentine, where we have a small amount of footage but the guy just seems transcendent. He's very good in the footage we have of his late career, and based on his reputation his prime stuff was probably incredible, but I don't get the same NO DOUBT feeling I do when I watch other limited footage guys.

Noam Dar has turned into a really great wrestler. I doubt that in 3 years he'll be one of the 100 greatest of all-time, and having gone back and watched some of his early stuff I don't think he's a hidden gem really, but I'd say given his current output he's one of my guys to keep an eye on in the future.

I don't know if I've ever seen anyone make it look good, some are worse than others, but everyone is bad. Well, other than Gary Goodridge.

I voted for Bryan when this first got posted, but if he keeps doing that terrible looking 'Hammer and Anvil" elbow spot he might fall out of my top 1000 wrestlers