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Kris & David are guestless this week discussing the week that was September 14-20, 1998. We discuss the return of Ric Flair to Nitro in Greenville, South Carolina and how magical of an experience it was. We also talk about Masahiro Chono vacating the IWGP Title, the birth of Toryumon, AAA Verano de Escandalo craziness, Sid Vicious returning to Memphis for Power Pro, and Jacquelyn’s breasts showing on live TV on USA Network. A really fun show so listen now!!!!! 0:00:00 WCW 1:18:43 Japan: NJPW, Fuyuki Army, Michinoku Pro, Toryumon, Pancrase, & LLPW 1:58:52 The Amazon Game, In-House Notes, & Plugs 2:40:46 Mexico: AAA, EMLL, & IWRG 3:15:16 ECW 3:46:14 MPPW & Potpourri 4:20:54 WWF The PWO-PTBN Podcast Network features great shows you can find right here at Place to Be Nation. By subscribing on iTunes or SoundCloud, you’ll have access to new episodes, bonus content, as well as a complete archive of all shows on the Network! For more on the great family of podcasts at Place to Be Nation, click here. To support the show and get access to exclusive rewards like special members-only monthly themed shows, go to our Patreon page and become an ongoing Patron. Becoming a Between the Sheets Patron will also get you exclusive access to not only the monthly themed episode of Between the Sheets, but also access to our new mailbag segment, a Patron-only chat room on Slack, and anything else we do outside of the main shows! www.patreon.com/betweenthesheets http://placetobenation.com/between-the-sheets-61-september-14-20-1998/

It's to the point now where I don't want to do a Reaction show without Devon if he's around.

Monthly.....and yes for $25 you can pick the week and year you want

Kris & David are guestless this week discussing the week that was September 7-13, 1990. We talk about Eddie Gilbert rumored to becoming a producer in the WWF, a long Brother Love segment with Ultimate Warrior & Sherri, Mark Callaway getting a role in Suburban Commando, the greatness of AJPW & NJPW at this time, Jerry Jarrett & Kevin Von Erich going to legal battle, Herb Abrams making a splash, and lots of fun NWA stories. A fun show so listen now!!!! 0:00:00 WWF 0:46:50 Japan (AJPW, NJPW, & UWF) & Europe 1:09:08 The Amazon Game 1:50:20 Latin America: EMLL, UWA, & WWC 2:01:37 USWA & USA East (SAPW, Peach State Wrestling, & FCW)) 2:37:50 USA West (AWA, PWA, UWF, & Portland) & Potpourri 2:58:07 WCW To support the show and get access to exclusive rewards like special members-only monthly themed shows, go to our Patreon page and become an ongoing Patron. Becoming a Between the Sheets Patron will also get you exclusive access to not only the monthly themed episode of Between the Sheets, but also access to our new mailbag segment, a Patron-only chat room on Slack, and anything else we do outside of the main shows! www.patreon.com/betweenthesheets The PWO-PTBN Podcast Network features great shows you can find right here at Place to Be Nation. By subscribing on iTunes or SoundCloud, you’ll have access to new episodes, bonus content, as well as a complete archive of all shows on the Network! For more on the great family of podcasts at Place to Be Nation, click here. http://placetobenation.com/between-the-sheets-60-september-7-13-1990/

Kris Zellner is joined by Scott Bowden (Kentucky Fried Wrestling) to discuss the key people and feuds of Jarrett Promotions in Memphis from the Summer of 1977 to the end of 1981. Scott of course is one of the best managers ever to work the territory and was a fan for many years before he became a performer so he brings a great insight to all the major figures that came through Memphis at this time. We discuss Jerry Lawler’s power as a babyface and a heel, the emergence of Austin Idol, Bill Dundee, Tommy Rich, Jimmy Valiant, and many many more. If you love Memphis…..THIS SHOW IS FOR YOU The PWO-PTBN Podcast Network features great shows you can find right here at Place to Be Nation. By subscribing on iTunes or SoundCloud, you’ll have access to new episodes, bonus content, as well as a complete archive of all shows on the Network! For more on the great family of podcasts at Place to Be Nation, click here. http://placetobenation.com/exile-on-badstreet-31-memphis-madness-1977-81-featuring-scott-bowden/

I imagine a significant portion of the audio that was lost was you guys talking about how awesome it would be to have footage of Lawler vs. Wahoo. It was brought up yes

Cabana was backstage at a show recently and Punk flipped on him calling him a traitor and regarding Bix he can tell that one if he wants......

I figured that was Joe Malenko especially with the comment about "he sure was in demand" later. Maybe..................................................................................................................................................

Some stuff we can't say because we don't want to get sued....... The deal with Punk & Cabana involves the lawsuit Punk has against WWE and what happened with Cabana's involvement recently

Yeah it was a freak accident...

And now for the notes for the missing part of the show The Oregon state athletic commission had a meeting on 9/1. Don Owen had petitioned the state to do away with its ruling that there had to be metal barriers separating crowd from the ring area and mats on the floor to protect the wrestlers taking bumps out of the ring. Owen claimed he couldn't afford to haul the mats and the barriers because they don't fit in his ring truck and would have to get a second truck and second drive. Sierra was there without his mask and said that the mats weren't safe and he has often twisted his ankle in them. After all that, the commission ruled that Owen would have to comply with the new regulations within two months. One of the commission members then questioned Sierra about a forehead wound, which looked fresh. Sierra said the wound was from two years ago. The commission re-affirmed its policy against blood, either from the blood or "hardway" style. They said any match with blood would be stopped immediately and the person would be suspended for 30 days. Owen and Sierra both publicly said they were all for that ruling, which sounds funny since Owen's territory has a history of bloodbaths and is the only territory when faced with an anti-blading commission to actually have its wrestlers do blood the hardway. Don Owen will be having some new competition in this area after all. Mel Saracema purchased the assets of the recently-folded Oregon Wrestling Federation from Billy Jack Haynes and will start up a new group called the Pacific Coast Wrestling Association which has set 10/1 as an opening target date with Joey Jackson, Tiger Chung Lee, Coco Samoa, Mike Miller, Moondog Moretti, Rip Oliver, Ole Olson and Tim Flowers rumored as being the talent. I don't see any way that an area of this size can support two full-time promotions, particularly with the WWF coming in and running monthly cards in Portland and Seattle plus running spot shows in the smaller towns. I think Owen himself would be doing well to survive Titan's small town excursions around the territory. The Beach Boys (Buddy Rose & Avalanche) captured the Northwest tag team titles from the Southern Rockers (Steve Doll & Scott Peterson) on 9/3 in Portland when Avalanche came off the top rope to pin Peterson. A surprise newcomer to the area is Dennis Condrey, who debuted on 9/3 beating Art Barr and is working here full-time as a heel. In Wrestling Forum, Greg Anderson mentioned that Condrey had a great line about why he’s going to be a singles wrestler when doing guest commentary on the opener. Paraphrased: “When I lose a tag match, my partner might be the reason, but when I lose a singles match there’s only one person to blame: The referee.” Newcomer The Top Gun is David Sierra, who was formerly The Masked Assassin who lost a loser leaves town match to Buddy Rose. The angle here is really funny, in fact I should mention that Buddy Rose as one of the Beach Boys is one of the most inspired gimmicks of '88 and should play on a major circuit. Rose & Avalanche as Beach Boys enter the ring to Beach Boys music and carry big Beach balls to the ring. 9/3 in Portland also saw Grappler beat Mike Golden in a death match,Two Eagles beat Madril via DO, Top Gun beat DeBeers via DQ and Condrey pinned Barr. POTPOURRI From Wrestling Forum: “Dusty Rhodes’ son is beginning his professional wrestling career down in Florida for Mike Graham’s promotion. He’ll be using the name Dustin Rhodes and I believe he will be billed as Dusty’s son. He was trained by Skandor Akbar (which is a surprise because we had always been led to believe that Dusty and Skandor were mortal enemies in real life) and Akbar has nothing but good things to say about Dustin. Okay.” It was revealed in Wrestling Forum Lou Thesz has opened a wrestling school in Virginia where he’ll be training wrestler in freestyle and Greco Roman wrestling. The idea is that he’ll start a shoot-style promotion in the U.S., but even if that doesn’t catch on, he thinks he can get his trainees work in Japan Former Los Angeles wrestling promoter Mike LeBelle pleaded guilty to possessing 61 U.S. Spring access codes which he gave others so they could make charge calls without paying. LeBelle was arrested as part of an investigation into a nationwide ring suspected of marketing unauthorized codes which U.S. Spring claims cost them nearly $3 million. This past week on the Global Wrestling TV show they claimed that Reverend Johnson bought the TV show and it's now called the BWA (Black Wrestling Alliance) and only blacks are wrestling on the TV show. That is a real strange angle. . . Pro Wrestling This Week is scheduled to go back to its one-hour format on 10/1. Host Joe Pedicino is hopeful that the switch back to one hour will allow PWTW to get back on in the major markets once again. Congrats to Joe Pedicino, whose wrestling block in Atlanta moved from Ch. 36 to Ch. 69 over Labor Day weekend, and has come out looking good as he's finished fourth in the time slot (behind only network programming and beating out TBS) each week, and leads all independents throughout the seven hour block. . . He's aired some tapes of FLAIR, the women's group out of Houston, which I'm told are pretty poor. The crowds are non-existent as when they do hot spots, they do cutaways to either World Class or AWA crowd shots. Carolina Championship Wrestling drew 2,180 fans and $12,500 on 9/2 in Roanoke Rapids, NC which was an SRO crowd mainly because of Robert Gibson. Top bouts saw Jimmy Valiant pin Buddy Landel and Robert Gibson & Lazertron (Hector Guerrero) over The Mod Squad. 9/3 in Medina, OH drew 500 fans for Great Lakes Wrestling which brought in Jerry Lawler who pinned Wahoo McDaniel in the main event of a match where Lawler was a total heel. Other matches involving name talent saw Kevin Von Erich & Michael Hayes beat The Spoiler (Don Jardine--who was famous as The Spoiler in the 70s) & Adrian Street, Kimala pinned Jimmy Valiant and Madusa Maceli went to a double DQ against Flabulous Moolah in, and this shocked probably each and every fan in attendance, a brawl all over the building and the best match on the card. Apparently the two never worked out a match beforehand, which normally is a disaster, especially considering Moolah's age and Maceli's ability, but it worked out fine. Great Lakes wants to start up a full-time circuit using local wrestlers plus occasional AWA and World Class folks and guys like Bobo Brazil, Bulldog Brower, Johnny Powers and the Mighty Igor who live in the area. Jerry Grey is running a group called Southern Wrestling Federation in Florida drawing between 200 and 500 fans working three to four shows weekly. Hiro Matsuda, Dory Funk and Wendi Richter have worked shows for him as have Bill Mulkey, Bob Cook and Tommy Wright. Former WWF wrestler Butch Reed has been competing on the rodeo circuit as a bulldogger since his wrestling departure after Wrestlemania IV. Jesse Ventura is currently in Toronto filming a movie called "Thunderguard," directed by David Mitchell. There aren't any well-known actors in the flick and Ventura has the leading role. The 9/2 issue of USA Today in Jeannie Williams' gossip column reported that the New York Daily News is seriously considering running a weekly pro wrestling column. I believe the decision will be made within a week or so. Vince McMahon isn't going to like this column from what I understand. Leroy Rochester, who used the ring name "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown," passed away this past Tuesday (9/6) in a hospital in Savannah, GA at the age of 38. Brown had been hospitalized since suffering a stroke on 8/27 and had been in bad shape ever since. Brown also used the ring name Elijah Akeem, as one-half of the Zambuie Express tag team with Kareem Muhammad (Ray Candy). At 6-foot-5 and weighing between 300 and 350 pounds, Brown's size catapulted him to main event status almost from the start of his career in 1975. He got his ring name from a popular song by Jim Croce, as Bad Bad Leroy Brown from the South Side of Chicago, and as a trivia note, was the first wrestler in the modern era of pro wrestling to use entrance music (the song of the same name), which was popularized several years later by The Freebirds and nowadays is used by just about every key figure in the business. Another wrestler, Sylvester Ritter, who his ring name from the same song, as Leroy was not only badder than King Kong, but meaner that the Junkyard Dog. Brown hit most of the major promotions in the U.S. during his career, save the WWF and the AWA (which pretty well has a policy of rarely pushing blacks) and due to his size, generally received a decent push. He pretty much faded from the scene by 1985, but was brought back by Bill Watts in late 1986 and along with Bill Irwin held the UWF tag team titles. After being fired early in 1987, his name popped up sparingly, generally on small independent shows in the Georgia area.

Kris & David are joined by Jordan Breen (Sherdog) to discuss the week that was August 31-September 6, 1988. We discuss the potential sale of the NWA and why Dusty Rhodes was such a douchebag on TV at the time, we also talk about Antonio Inoki being a total opportunist, Maritimes Memories from Jordan, Memphis vs. Continental on FNN, World Class management issues, and the impending birth of Akeem the African Dream. Part of the show didn’t record and it’s talked about during the show but other than that this is a really great show!!! 0:00:00 Jim Crockett Promotions 1:31:05 Japan: AJPW & NJPW 2:03:20 The Amazon Game & in-house notes 2:52:35 Other North America: Canada, EMLL, UWA, & WWC 3:11:17 USA East: CWA, CWF, & SCW 3:48:27 USA West: WCCW & AWA 4:07:37 WWF The PWO-PTBN Podcast Network features great shows you can find right here at Place to Be Nation. By subscribing on iTunes or SoundCloud, you’ll have access to new episodes, bonus content, as well as a complete archive of all shows on the Network! For more on the great family of podcasts at Place to Be Nation, click here. http://placetobenation.com/between-the-sheets-59-august-31-september-6-1988/

In real life yes.....he was not a good man

He wasn't that bad....just boring in ways...

YES Boricua always comes through in the clutch

OVW was never the same after Cornette left......the Heyman years had it's moments but it was like watered down ECW

Yeah there are a lot of mishaps on my part on this show I'm sure

Kris & David are guestless this week talking about the week that was August 24-30, 2005. We talk about the wackiness of Wrestle Reunion and how the WWE was treating the Dudleyz, PRIDE at their peak in Japan and the United States, Antonio Pena’s health going down, CIMA & Shingo Takagi debuting in ROH, the difference of OVW under Heyman compared to Cornette, TNA going to Spike and how WWE was caught in the crossfire. This is long but interesting show! 0:00:00 WrestleReunion 0:59:20 MMA: Pride & UFC 1:12:35 Japan: AJPW, NJPW, Noah, Zero-One, BJPW, DDT, Futen, Pancrase, & LLPW 1:53:39 Europe: IWA Switzerland & UK News 2:03:31 The Amazon Game 2:28:56 Latin America: AAA, CMLL, IWRG, Monterrey, IWA Puerto Rico, & WWC 2:53:11 U.S. Indies: ROH, IWC, OVW, TNA, & Potpourri 3:41:21 WWE The PWO-PTBN Podcast Network features great shows you can find right here at Place to Be Nation. By subscribing on iTunes or SoundCloud, you’ll have access to new episodes, bonus content, as well as a complete archive of all shows on the Network! For more on the great family of podcasts at Place to Be Nation, click here. http://placetobenation.com/between-the-sheets-58-august-24-30-2005/

Kris & David are guestless this week discussing the week that was August 17-23, 1993. We talk about Jim Herd meeting with the Justice Department regarding WWF, the Lex Express rolling on, Terry Gordy having a serious health issue, SMW’s First Ever Fan Week, Vince McMahon comes to Memphis, and the debut of the Shockmaster. This is a loaded show so listen!!!!! 0:00:00 WWF 0:44:39 Japan (AJPW, NJPW, FMW, Michinoku Pro, RINGS, SPWF, AJW) & CWA 1:18:51 The Amazon Game 1:46:41 Other North America: WFWA, EMLL, & UWA 2:04:09 Eastern USA: ECW, SMW, & USWA 3:00:01 Texas & Potpourri 3:32:06 WCW The PWO-PTBN Podcast Network features great shows you can find right here at Place to Be Nation. By subscribing on iTunes or SoundCloud, you’ll have access to new episodes, bonus content, as well as a complete archive of all shows on the Network! For more on the great family of podcasts at Place to Be Nation, click here. http://placetobenation.com/between-the-sheets-57-august-17-23-1993/

Kris (Between the Sheets, Exile on Badstreet) is joined by Pete (Titans of Wrestling, This Week in Wrestling), Johnny Sorrow (Titans of Wrestling, Brainbuster!) and Devon Hales (Hales family – check out his Good Will Wrestling GWE podcast) to break down this year’s SummerSlam. How great was AJ Styles/John Cena? What did they think of the Universal title belt and match? What about the main event finish? Hot takes galore – be sure to check out the most entertaining reaction show out there! http://placetobenation.com/ptbn-reaction-show-wwe-summerslam-2016/

Do you think pre-WWF Jake was a star on the level of Ted, Piper, Greg, Duggan, or Steamboat? If so, completely news to me. Just never thought about his GCW or Watts runs in that way and I've watched most of the Watts stuff. Don't see him in that light. How much does it underrate him not to? He was definitely at the level of DiBiase & Duggan.....Piper & Valentine were already in WWF and Steamer had his long JCP run. The deal with Jake was you wouldn't know how big of a star he was by his pushes........he was extremely way more over than his push......

There is a lot of ridiculousness in this thread but I want to touch on one thing....... Jake Roberts was a star in the wrestling world before going to WWF.....national TV on TBS in both GCW & Mid-South.....national TV with World Class in syndication. DDT was the ultimate killshot wrestling move before he went into WWF....WWF took him and made him a bigger star but he was definitely a star before he went there.

Kris & David are joined by Jim Valley (Pro Wrestling Torch) to discuss the week that was August 10-16, 1989. We talk about Ric Flair’s trials as the head booker of the NWA with some incoming talent coming to help. We talk about Big Van Vader winning the IWGP Title and the USA/Russians/Team Japan competition. We also talk about the debut of Texas Dirt in Memphis as well as the epic Buddy Landel vs. Nightmare Freddy match. We also talk about the first ever USWA show in Dallas and just why didn’t the WWF make a bigger deal about jobbing out Andre the Giant on house shows to the Ultimate Warrior. This is a really fun show so check it out!!! 0:00:00 WCW 1:12:07 Int’l: AJPW, NJPW, UWF, FMW, Stampede, & WWC 1:57:43 The Amazon Game & in-house notes 2:36:42 USA East-ish: CWF, CWA, & USWA 2:59:49 USA West (AWA & Portland) & Potpourri 3:46:01 WWF The PWO-PTBN Podcast Network features great shows you can find right here at Place to Be Nation. By subscribing on iTunes or SoundCloud, you’ll have access to new episodes, bonus content, as well as a complete archive of all shows on the Network! For more on the great family of podcasts at Place to Be Nation, click here. http://placetobenation.com/between-the-sheets-56-august-10-16-1989/

Absolutely.....this is the US indies renaissance period in full force and it was a beautiful time