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I was in a good mood because of how good Payback was

Indeed

Kris & David are joined by Pete Lederberg (WFIA) to discuss the week that was April 26-May 2, 1987. We discuss the early stages of Jim Crockett’s Global Domination, Riki Choshu back in New Japan, the awesomeness of Austin Idol vs. Jerry Lawler’s steel cage hair match, and a great Bob Backlund story that came out of nowhere. Really fun show so check it out. 0:00:00 JCP: Main circuit, CWF, & UWF 0:54:11 Int’l: AJPW, NJPW, AJW, & UK 1:24:06 Eastern USA: Continental & Memphis 1:50:23 Western USA: AWA, Portland, WCCW, & Potpourri 2:22:30 WWF The PWO-PTBN Podcast Network features great shows you can find right here at Place to Be Nation. By subscribing on iTunes or SoundCloud, you’ll have access to new episodes, bonus content, as well as a complete archive of all shows on the Network! http://placetobenation.com/between-the-sheets-41-april-26-may-2-1987-with-pete-lederberg/

What I wonder though is there a disconnect among people that watch more modern wrestling in numbers posting message boards now compared to just a few years ago. It seems to me that more of your modern wrestling fans that aren't inclined to watch older wrestling don't even go to message boards anymore and mainly use social media as their platform.

And in the end that's all that matters.....

I stayed away from all the stuff in the threads going over the list release for that reason and it all caught up to me after reading Dylan's great post. Trav is right though we all get caught up in our own personal lists and beliefs it overshadows the fact that people like what they like and went that way with their list which what can you do, it's human nature. I said on the podcast there is no real right or wrong and if everyone did have the same ballot it wouldn't be fun because then we would be communists.

I don't think it was, actually. It was Greatest Wrestler Ever. Who you happen to think are the 100 greatest wrestlers of all time may not necessarily come from all possible styles of wrestling. To quote the man himself, "not all styles are created equal". How many North American female wrestlers did you have on your list? Ultraviolent workers? Wrestlers from mainland Europe? South America? Puerto Rico? What you'd call "the entire world of wrestling" is really just what you deem important and accessible enough to include. Different people have different cutoffs as to where that line is. I had World of Sport, Puerto Rico, & Death Match wrestlers on my list which I went into detail talking about on the podcasts I did about it. I understand where people don't like what I posted and everyone has their own beliefs in what they like and what they don't like. I'm just upset that people dismiss stuff they didn't "understand" or just didn't care. I did listen to your podcast, I just couldn't remember specifically. My point remains the same. How much French or German wrestling did you consider for the project? Are they not just as much a valid area of the wrestling world than the others? If it was so important to include joshi, why not include North American women just as equally? Why not give quotas to all the different areas to make sure they're all adequately represented? I'm being snippy here but you get my point. You drew a line about representation just like everyone else did. Everyone just had their own personal line. Not to mention I am so not on board on the idea of being forced to represent any style or wrestler because you're "supposed to" when you don't care for it or understand it. If you can't see the greatness, how are you supposed to rank their greatness as some of the greatest ever? I understand where you are coming from but then if that is the case then the list should be Your 100 Personal Favorites List. Regarding your point about French, German, etc some of that is because we don't have the proper amount of footage to go by to give an accurate representation of them under this criteria for this particular project which relied heavily on footage.

I don't understand this. If I don't like Lucha, why would I rank Lucha wrestlers on a Greatest Wrestler Ever list? Am I supposed to realize Negro Casas is a top competitor even if I don't like his matches? And if I do like him, how do I rank him against wrestlers who I enjoy so much more? It's not baseball where there are stats that can act as objective reasoning why one person is better than another. It's possible to like wrestlers that represent a style I don't go crazy over, but then it's like am I ranking Casas because people say he's great or because I personally think he's better than other people on my list? It's not a favorites list, but that has to play some part in it. As mentioned before, I didn't rank guys like Misawa and Kobashi because there's no way I could put them on my list without the reason being "Everyone says they are great, therefore they must be in my top 25". I wish I could have, but for this list I honestly couldn't do it. But I'll keep trying to explore new areas. And saying people who didn't do that should have voted is BS and you know that. In that case, just get your 20 best wrestling buddies and make a niche list so you can show us all what it should have looked like. I'm re-watching the entire summer of 1989 NWA on Youtube right now as the beginning of my follow-up journey to this list. Soon I'll be watching the Funk/Hansen matches and so on and so on. This list is going to influence my viewing habits for the next decade. If it doesn't have the same impact on some of you, it's all good. But let's not act like the list was a test of "real fandom" vs "lazy fandom". Can't we all just get along? This should definitely be a point where another list like this in 10 years should be better and the fact that you are watching more stuff that you haven't seen because of it is what is the most important. We need more people to watch more stuff outside of their comfort zone to experience it. Maybe I was abrasive in what I originally posted but shit I just get pissed off at people that totally dismiss whole styles of wrestling or any form of entertainment because they don't like or understand it.

I don't think it was, actually. It was Greatest Wrestler Ever. Who you happen to think are the 100 greatest wrestlers of all time may not necessarily come from all possible styles of wrestling. To quote the man himself, "not all styles are created equal". How many North American female wrestlers did you have on your list? Ultraviolent workers? Wrestlers from mainland Europe? South America? Puerto Rico? What you'd call "the entire world of wrestling" is really just what you deem important and accessible enough to include. Different people have different cutoffs as to where that line is. I had World of Sport, Puerto Rico, & Death Match wrestlers on my list which I went into detail talking about on the podcasts I did about it. I understand where people don't like what I posted and everyone has their own beliefs in what they like and what they don't like. I'm just upset that people dismiss stuff they didn't "understand" or just didn't care.

The one big takeaway I had from the whole procedure was seeing people talk about how they weren't voting for certain people or certain styles because they didn't like those styles.....if that was the case then you should not have voted in this period......if you were not able to put away your biases towards styles of wrestling or even certain people then your ballot caused more damage than good. I've gone on record in the past of not really caring about Joshi as a style...it's not my thing....but I definitely appreciate all the workers of the style and I fully recognize how great they were and how important they were to the entire sport of wrestling. There was no way in hell I could've done a list without having some Joshi representation on the list even if it meant that some of my personal favorites didn't make it. This wasn't a personal favorite list, it was a list that was supposed to encompass the entire world of wrestling and sadly in some cases it failed to achieve that goal.

Flair won.......well we tried

Yeah this is a mic drop post if there ever was one.......this is what fandom of any form of entertainment is all about

I totally agree with Dylan about the Lucha stuff but it doesn't surprise me as Lucha even with the most ardent of fans like myself and other WON HOF voters can't come to a consensus to get guys elected, I totally figured that in this project there would be a lot of disconnect among the Lucha "novices" or people that just didn't give a shit.

Okay there is a ton of fucking stupidity in these threads lately which is why I've stayed out of them but two things. 1) Finally I was the top vote for someone and it was the greatest Japanese born wrestler ever in Tatsumi Fujinami 2) Like Dylan said earlier......the only list that really matters to me in the end is my own list.......

It was an explosion no doubt.....Jakks already had figures out a year or two earlier but this was amazing to watch

Kris & David are joined this week by Emil Jay (CZW Dojo Wars) to discuss the week that was April 19-25, 1998. We discuss the RAW before Unforgiven which was pretty dull but we get to talk about Jeff Jarrett, Harris Twins, & Sawyer Brown. Giant Baba screwing Johnny Ace ironically, Antonio Pena suing people, Shane Douglas getting injured yet again, Austin Idol no-showing Memphis yet again, and the complete monster known as WCW. This is a really good show so check it out!!!! 0:00:00 WWF 0:41:17 Int’l: AJPW, NJPW, BJPW, RINGS, AJW, UK, AAA, & EMLL 1:07:19 Other USA: ECW, MPPW, & Potpourri 1:54:12 WCW Part 1 2:39:18 WCW Part 2 The PWO-PTBN Podcast Network features great shows you can find right here at Place to Be Nation. By subscribing on iTunes or SoundCloud, you’ll have access to new episodes, bonus content, as well as a complete archive of all shows on the Network! http://placetobenation.com/between-the-sheets-40-april-19-25-1998-featuring-emil-jay/

He is definitely in the pantheon......Top 3 easy

It's the theme that always plays when a woman used to be on the show but not the "piece of ass" song

The Premier Podcast Brand (Kris Zellner & Dylan Hales) are here to discuss the Top 50 on their Greatest Wrestler Ever list on the Pro Wrestling Only Message Board on prowrestlingonly.com In what basically became the War & Peace of wrestling podcasts, we discussed some of our personal favorites plus debate the placements on each others list as well as the reasoning why we left off certain people. This show will definitely prove that there is no true group thinking among our circles as we have a vast difference of opinion on some of our choices here. http://placetobenation.com/premier-podcast-brand-2-pwos-greatest-wrestler-ever-50-1/

Probably higher

I know what I like and I like what I know

Kerry is awesome....just ask Will

There ya go.....there were a lot of Moreno's running around

Alda I think

Recorded Part 2 today and it went over 8 1/2 HOURS