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  1. JerryvonKramer

    Ric Flair (sigh)

    Just to mention that while I really don't want Ric stepping into the ring again, there is a long precedent in pro-wrestling for this including Thesz and the Funk Brothers. I just hope he doesn't try to run the ropes.
  2. JerryvonKramer

    Break it down 2: Alternative match structures

    Thought might be worth revisiting this thread after a decade. What else have we learned? NWA champ formula is where heel champ gives hometown babyface 85%+ of the match before pulling out a cheap win.
  3. JerryvonKramer

    Ted Dibiase runs the gauntlet

    Ted DiBiase vs Randy Savage (handheld 1/29/93) Didn’t know these two had a match this late. Ted is tag champ here comes out with Jimmy Hart but not IRS. Savage was just a commentator? Crowds seems pretty hot for it considering it is apropos of nothing. After a slowish start action goes outside. They don’t seem willing to do much more than headlocks and punches in this match seemingly. Ted stats on top for a good few minutes until Savage gets a surprise nearfall. Then a backslide for two. Finally Ted hits a suplex in the first high spot of the match but then straight into a chinlock. Savage comeback now. Hits a double axhandle from the top to the outside. Misses the Savage elbow! Ted locks in the Million Dollar Dream! Savage breaks. DDT! And Ted eats the pinfall. Strangely awful match.
  4. JerryvonKramer

    Abdullah The Butcher

    Abdullah the Butcher and Tor Kamata vs Mr Fuji and Mr Sakurada (10/17/80) Browsing through Matt D’s uploads and there was no way I could let this total randomness go unchecked. Can’t recall seeing Fujinin AJPW before. He’s pretty spirited here too and does a lot of John Silver from Karate Kid Part 3 style antics. Goes in pretty hard on Abby who then retaliates. We even get colour from Fuji. Surprisingly good match considering who is involved.
  5. JerryvonKramer

    Harley Race

    Harley Race vs Ted DiBiase (10/31/83) This came up in the side bar after the last match and it was uploaded by someone called Matt D, whoever that is. Never seen this either: from the aforementioned All Japan tour. Ted has an “Italian Stallion” robe. He’s rocking the black glove. Race is in full Starrcade 83 look here with the mutton chops and tache. A lot of bombs early doors here, Race hits a piledriver. Ted hits a double underarm suplex which I don’t recall him ever doing and his own piledriver. Pretty hot action to be honest. Race working stronger than he usually does, maybe for the Japanese crowd. Sleeper by Ted, action goes outside, quite a good nearfall when Ted breaks the duplex in for a pin attempt. He manages to get the figure four on but Race makes the ropes. Ted works the leg now with some nicely focused attacks and goes for the spinning toehold. Catches Race from the top, goes for it again. And then again. Hits that sweet scoop powerslam but Race manages to steal a pin with a cradle. Pretty good match!!
  6. JerryvonKramer

    Harley Race

    Harley Race vs Ted DiBiase (11/10/83) Just stumbled on this on YouTube. It has fan commentary and is from Central States. No DQ. Kansas crowd are hot for Harley. Ted completely dominates early but then there are some commercials from 1983 and when we come back Harley has taken over. Good intensity and action went outside a lot so they played into the stip. Ted has a pre-match promo about beating Race in his own back yard. I don’t think there was much of a story behind this, Ted was back from a Japan tour and going into a Georgia stint and dropped in for this one date in Central States. The hopeless TV footage was already promoting shows with Flair as champ by the way.
  7. What's up Parv? You and Chad did wrestling podcasts before it was a thing. When u actually had to go to iTunes and download it. 

    I miss ur classic shows. When u reviewed WCW supercards, it wasn't easy to watch this stuff. This is pre network, and now in the US we are post network. I had SuperBrawl 2 and most of early 90s clash episodes,  but quality was not great. So I give u respect for your dedication to this crazy art of television wrestling. And of course your titans series with that crew. 


    I just checked in the forums to post about death of Paul Orndorff. 


  8. JerryvonKramer

    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    Incidentally, I took the decision not to include outlaws in the 70s or Indies in the 90s because the crowds were mostly negligible. As an example, ROH's record crowd to date in 2008 was at the Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC -- that holds 2,500 and they couldn't even sell it out. In the 70s, Ivan Koloff vs. Mil Mascaras drew 14,000 for the IWA so I figured if indies moved the needle at all for 80s or 90s numbers, they'd just get blown away by outlaws from the 70s anyway.
  9. JerryvonKramer

    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    So I just looked at some of those 1971 cards from SF where Patterson was working on top to look at who was on the undercard. Tony Parisi is one example. Here are his dates for June 1971. 1 Show @ Stockton 1971/06/01 @ Memorial Civic Auditorium in Stockton, California (United States of America) Mighty Brutus defeated Tony Parisi 2 Show @ Modesto 1971/06/04 @ Uptown Arena in Modesto, California (United States of America) Paul DeMarco defeated Tony Parisi [2 out of 3 Falls Match] 3 Show @ San Francisco 1971/06/05 @ Cow Palace in Daly City, California (United States of America) Mighty Brutus defeated Tony Parisi 4 NWF @ Cleveland 1971/06/17 @ Cleveland Arena in Cleveland, Ohio (United States of America) Tony Parisi defeated Dr. X 5 BBP @ Cobourg 1971/06/17 @ Cobourg Memorial Rink in Cobourg, Ontario (Canada) Eric the Red vs. Tony Parisi - winner unknown 6 Show @ Pittsburgh 1971/06/18 @ Civic Arena in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (United States of America) George Steele defeated Tony Parisi by referee stoppage 7 Show @ Amsterdam 1971/06/23 @ Amsterdam, New York (United States of America) Tony Parisi defeated Kurt Von Hess 8 Show @ Johnstown 1971/06/26 @ Johnstown, Pennsylvania (United States of America) Dominic DeNucci and Tony Parisi defeated Baron Mikel Scicluna and George Steele 9 WWWF Pittsburgh TV 1971/06/26 @ Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (United States of America) Tony Parisi defeated Jack Vansky Looking before and after, Parisi seems to have left SF in mid-June and gone back to New York. Let's pretend he was a $50 a night guy. That was $450 for June which is $2,991 in today's money. He worked 104 dates that year so let's say $5,200 which adjusted for inflation is $34,563. That's quite rough but still a living just about. But who knows, those pay days in New York might have been better.
  10. JerryvonKramer

    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    Looking at Pat Patteron, as one example, a draw for Shire in San Francisco, in 1971 he worked 168 matches. If you pretend he made $150 a night -- might have been more or less in 71 I don't know -- that would be $25,200. Adjust that for inflation and in today's money it would be $167,499. I'm not entirely sure what a top guy would have made in 1971 but considering by the 80s prelim guys on WWF cards were making $150 a night, that's got to be a low-ball guess.
  11. JerryvonKramer

    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    May be of interest but using the data above I calculated that there was a 91% decrease in live shows from the 70s to the late 90s. The combined total 1970 to 1975 is 36,812 For 1985 to 1990 it is 11,824 For 1996 to 2001 just 3,490 Was this really driven by fan behaviour or just by Vince pushing PPV as the big moneymaker?
  12. JerryvonKramer

    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    Does anyone know why no one in the NWA would run shows against Verne?
  13. JerryvonKramer

    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    Amazing info, thanks!
  14. JerryvonKramer

    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    How exactly did the Toronto booking work? Would Tunney “lease” his venues to Sheik/ Crockett / Vince? Also I’d heard about Sheik burning out Detroit but not Toronto. What’s the story there?
  15. JerryvonKramer

    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    San Francisco was a proper territory run by Roy Shires, their key venue was the Cow Palace but they ran many smaller shows. The official name for San Francisco was “Pacific Coast” or “Big Time Wrestling”. Pat Patterson was one of its biggest stars. LA was a proper territory run by Mike Labell, their key venue was the Grand Olympic, but they ran shows all over. It was called “NWA Hollywood.” Big stars were Fred Blassie and John Tolos. Detroit was a proper territory run by The Sheik, confusingly this was also called Big Time Wrestling and even more confusingly The Sheik had a working relationship co-promotional deal with Roy Shires’s Big Time Wrestling. There’s an old podcast series somewhere featuring The Sheik’s son going through all the cards. Their key venue was Cobo Arena. Toronto was called Maple Leaf Wrestling and it was run by the Tunneys. This seems to have been more like Houston where guest stars would come in. Bruno worked up there. It’s also why those Maple Leaf Gardens shows plugged so easily into WWF programming down the line. St Louis was a “special” office, because it was run by Sam Muchnick who was usually the NWA President. St Louis was a prestige venue where the NWA Champion would often defend the title on sort of “super cards” at the Kiel. It’s official name was the St Louis Wrestling Club and Wrestling at the Chase was a prestige TV show. The Missouri Heavyweight Champion was seen as a stepping stone to be NWA champ and anyone who held that title was seen as a “made man”. I recall listening to a very long and interesting podcast series by Larry Matysik on this, don’t know if it’s still available but it’s an education if you can find it.