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JerryvonKramer

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  1. What's up Parv? You and Chad did wrestling podcasts before it was a thing. When u actually had to go to iTunes and download it. 

    I miss ur classic shows. When u reviewed WCW supercards, it wasn't easy to watch this stuff. This is pre network, and now in the US we are post network. I had SuperBrawl 2 and most of early 90s clash episodes,  but quality was not great. So I give u respect for your dedication to this crazy art of television wrestling. And of course your titans series with that crew. 

     

    I just checked in the forums to post about death of Paul Orndorff. 

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    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    Incidentally, I took the decision not to include outlaws in the 70s or Indies in the 90s because the crowds were mostly negligible. As an example, ROH's record crowd to date in 2008 was at the Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC -- that holds 2,500 and they couldn't even sell it out. In the 70s, Ivan Koloff vs. Mil Mascaras drew 14,000 for the IWA so I figured if indies moved the needle at all for 80s or 90s numbers, they'd just get blown away by outlaws from the 70s anyway.
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    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    So I just looked at some of those 1971 cards from SF where Patterson was working on top to look at who was on the undercard. Tony Parisi is one example. Here are his dates for June 1971. 1 Show @ Stockton 1971/06/01 @ Memorial Civic Auditorium in Stockton, California (United States of America) Mighty Brutus defeated Tony Parisi 2 Show @ Modesto 1971/06/04 @ Uptown Arena in Modesto, California (United States of America) Paul DeMarco defeated Tony Parisi [2 out of 3 Falls Match] 3 Show @ San Francisco 1971/06/05 @ Cow Palace in Daly City, California (United States of America) Mighty Brutus defeated Tony Parisi 4 NWF @ Cleveland 1971/06/17 @ Cleveland Arena in Cleveland, Ohio (United States of America) Tony Parisi defeated Dr. X 5 BBP @ Cobourg 1971/06/17 @ Cobourg Memorial Rink in Cobourg, Ontario (Canada) Eric the Red vs. Tony Parisi - winner unknown 6 Show @ Pittsburgh 1971/06/18 @ Civic Arena in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (United States of America) George Steele defeated Tony Parisi by referee stoppage 7 Show @ Amsterdam 1971/06/23 @ Amsterdam, New York (United States of America) Tony Parisi defeated Kurt Von Hess 8 Show @ Johnstown 1971/06/26 @ Johnstown, Pennsylvania (United States of America) Dominic DeNucci and Tony Parisi defeated Baron Mikel Scicluna and George Steele 9 WWWF Pittsburgh TV 1971/06/26 @ Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (United States of America) Tony Parisi defeated Jack Vansky Looking before and after, Parisi seems to have left SF in mid-June and gone back to New York. Let's pretend he was a $50 a night guy. That was $450 for June which is $2,991 in today's money. He worked 104 dates that year so let's say $5,200 which adjusted for inflation is $34,563. That's quite rough but still a living just about. But who knows, those pay days in New York might have been better.
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    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    Looking at Pat Patteron, as one example, a draw for Shire in San Francisco, in 1971 he worked 168 matches. If you pretend he made $150 a night -- might have been more or less in 71 I don't know -- that would be $25,200. Adjust that for inflation and in today's money it would be $167,499. I'm not entirely sure what a top guy would have made in 1971 but considering by the 80s prelim guys on WWF cards were making $150 a night, that's got to be a low-ball guess.
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    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    May be of interest but using the data above I calculated that there was a 91% decrease in live shows from the 70s to the late 90s. The combined total 1970 to 1975 is 36,812 For 1985 to 1990 it is 11,824 For 1996 to 2001 just 3,490 Was this really driven by fan behaviour or just by Vince pushing PPV as the big moneymaker?
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    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    Does anyone know why no one in the NWA would run shows against Verne?
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    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    Amazing info, thanks!
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    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    How exactly did the Toronto booking work? Would Tunney “lease” his venues to Sheik/ Crockett / Vince? Also I’d heard about Sheik burning out Detroit but not Toronto. What’s the story there?
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    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    San Francisco was a proper territory run by Roy Shires, their key venue was the Cow Palace but they ran many smaller shows. The official name for San Francisco was “Pacific Coast” or “Big Time Wrestling”. Pat Patterson was one of its biggest stars. LA was a proper territory run by Mike Labell, their key venue was the Grand Olympic, but they ran shows all over. It was called “NWA Hollywood.” Big stars were Fred Blassie and John Tolos. Detroit was a proper territory run by The Sheik, confusingly this was also called Big Time Wrestling and even more confusingly The Sheik had a working relationship co-promotional deal with Roy Shires’s Big Time Wrestling. There’s an old podcast series somewhere featuring The Sheik’s son going through all the cards. Their key venue was Cobo Arena. Toronto was called Maple Leaf Wrestling and it was run by the Tunneys. This seems to have been more like Houston where guest stars would come in. Bruno worked up there. It’s also why those Maple Leaf Gardens shows plugged so easily into WWF programming down the line. St Louis was a “special” office, because it was run by Sam Muchnick who was usually the NWA President. St Louis was a prestige venue where the NWA Champion would often defend the title on sort of “super cards” at the Kiel. It’s official name was the St Louis Wrestling Club and Wrestling at the Chase was a prestige TV show. The Missouri Heavyweight Champion was seen as a stepping stone to be NWA champ and anyone who held that title was seen as a “made man”. I recall listening to a very long and interesting podcast series by Larry Matysik on this, don’t know if it’s still available but it’s an education if you can find it.
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    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    Look at Mid-Atlantic in the 70s
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    Comparing Numbers of Shows Per Era

    This may interest some people here. This is total live shows run per company using six representative years from NWA era, Hogan era, and Monday Night Wars.
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    Ric Flair

    Evil Flair in that Savage feud is underrated. Arguably the most sinister he ever got character wise.
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    Kenta Kobashi

    I’m pretty sure that the four bosses of Street Fighter 2 (Balrog, Vega, Sagat, and Bison) were referred to as “the four heavenly kings” and now it all makes sense.
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    Jack Brisco

    I seem to remember Brisco being more heelish and brawl-y around 1981 sort of time. There's a Piper match.
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    Ted DiBiase

    If anyone ever does, the only matches I'd seek out are against the Steiners and against the Beverley Brothers in 1993 (it's on an early Raw and a super rare heel vs. heel match). Aside from those, Money Inc were saddled with the Nasty Boys and the Natural Disasters for much of 1992 and even Bushwackers -- the tag division of that period is absolutely putrid and for whatever reason most of the Road Warriors matches happened on untaped house shows, including title switches. Rotunda is also extra-specially chinlock-y as IRS for some reason. People may even be better off seeking out pre-Money Inc DiBiase and IRS teamups from around the time of This Tuesday in Texas in 1991. I seem to remember a half-decent Bret Hart and Virgil match from an old Sean Mooney-fronted coliseum home video, and possibly a random High Energy (Owen Hart and Koko Ware) match or two from Superstars. Maybe there's is one or two Tito and Virgil matches also. If I have a criticism of the entire Money Inc run it is that they were booked not only as chickenshit heels but as superduper chickenshit heels in the Honkytonk Man vain. There's a match from a SNME against Savage and Warrior where it's not even believable Money Inc would be in with a chance of beating the babyface team. This is why using them as Hogan's comeback feud in 93 is somewhat strange given that it had already been established that they were the most weasel of all weasel teams. Honestly, I think they were booked weaker than any tag champions in WWF history. They'd even have to cheat or take a DQ against lower card teams like Bushwackers or High Energy most of the time.
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