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How about Walter Bordes? I was also wondering whether you watched the Great Malenko vs. Paul Bosch match?
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You've listed Jacky Corn twice.
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Dick Murdoch & Adrian Adonis vs. Sgt. Slaughter & Terry Daniels (WWF, 7/23/84) This was awesome whenever they picked up the pace but had some serious lulls due to Daniels. He just wasn't believable as Sgt. Slaughter protégé. The finish was amazing. I don't know if Murdoch legit injured his eye on the finish, but it was the most badass looking finish I've seen in ages. A few things stood out to me: it was amusing how over The Marines Hymn was with Slaughter as a babyface compared to when he was a heel, the crowd again threw trash at Adonis, who was super over as a heel, I found it deeply ironic that Slaughter was recruiting people into the Cobra Corps, and Murdoch and Adonis are so entertaining that I wish they had a three year run.
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This was a fun match. That's not a surprise since Flair had been doing some pretty good stuff in Evolution tag matches, but it was still a decent length singles match. The one thing I've learnt to do with these Ric Flair bouts is to not compare him to whatever idealized image I have of Flair, but rather to think if this was the only footage we had of Flair, what would I make of it? Would I want to see more? Would I speculate on how good he could have been when he was younger? To me, the answer is yes. I probably wouldn't have been able to guess that he was some great champion in the Buddy Rogers mode from watching this bout, but like watching the Ray Stevens footage we have, I'd still think there was something there. I love how Flair used the first hook and the eye gouge in this match, especially when JR is going on about amateur wrestling and catch-as-catch-can. As for Angle? Between this match and the Jannetty match, how can anyone doubt the guy?
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Dick Murdoch & Adrian Adonis vs. Wild Samoans (WWF, 9/1/84) This is the Philly version of their MSG match. Not bad, but nowhere near as heated as their MSG bout and the commentary from Dick Graham and Lord Alfred Hayes didn't add much. Wild Samoans & Sgt. Slaughter vs. Dick Murdoch, Adrian Adonis & Captain Lou Albano (WWF, 9/22/84) I wouldn't usually watch a match like this with a manager involved, but I really liked the Madison Square Garden bout where Albano reffed the match, and of course it has Slaughter. This wasn't just a fun bout, though, this was a GREAT match. Molten heat and an awesome performance from all six workers. Slaughter is an absolute house on fire. I don't really agree with Mean Gene when he starts calling a match a classic, but he wasn't wrong. Shocking great match.
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Forget about the INA, why wasn't anyone taping it? Unless there's some giant haul of French Catch tucked away on SECAM. Not sure if more Mambo matches would make a difference, though. There's a clear difference between the importance of Catch in the 50s and 60s and the footage that's available from the 80s.. I appreciate how you beat the drum for post-prime European wrestling but it doesn't pass the eye test for me.
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This was a bog standard WWE triple threat match. it was competently worked and competently laid out, but there was nothing special about it whatsoever. It could just have easily been a triple threat match for the Intercontinental Championship or some other lower tier title. It certainly wasn't a match worthy of the WWE Championship, and for Cena's first title defence on the RAW brand, t was pretty weak compared to the JBL feud.
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This is the debut of AAA wrestler, Groon XXX, in Arena Mexico. Groon has to be seen to be believed. He's this jacked luchador with a custom painted Batman mask and Dracula teeth, who paints his body red and sells himself as some kind of demonic gargoyle. The match is pretty shit by these guys' standards, but Groon XXX is one of the highlights of the year.
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I don't see any evidence that Catch aired continuously from 1985 to 1987. If that were the case, they'd be more surviving footage. But even if our perception of the era is skewered by what's available in the INA, it's clear from watching the footage that Catch was in a terminal decline. Just as it's clear from watching the last few years of ITV wrestling that the overall product is poor. The wrestling scene didn't die off in either country when they lost TV, and I can imagine how annoying that line of thinking is for someone who was still following the live scene. However, for the lay fan, if you compare mid-60s Catch to mid-80s Catch, there's no comparison. The lay fan is attracted to boom periods. It's hard to find anything worthwhile about 80s catch other than the fact that Flesh Gordon was a far better worker than we ever imagined.
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it turns out it's no that easy to find Killer Bees matches on the internet, so instead I'm turning my interest towards Murdoch & Adonis. Dick Murdoch & Adrian Adonis vs. Jack & Jerry Brisco (WW, 12/28/84) I still think this is a great match. Yeah, Murdoch & Adonis play Heels in Peril a lot against the babyface team that forced them to submit a few weeks prior, but so what? The Briscos are a badass babyface team, the heels get their licks in, and it ends with one of the more satisfying double count out finishes I've ever seen. Dick Murdoch & Adrian Adonis vs. Wild Samoans (WWF, 8/25/84) Murdoch & Adonis may have had a short run in the WWF, but they're close to being my favorite WWF champions of all-time. This match was based around Captain Lou Albano being the ref, and should have been a throwaway piece of crap, but the workers had a lot of fun bumping and brawling. I was entertained.
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There were several different promotions operating in Paris during the 50s and 60s, and somewhat frustratingly, they never really referred to themselves as promotions. Instead, they were recognized by their promoter. The TV in the 50s and 60s wasn't from one specific promotion. Instead, it would it shift between different promoters. At some point, Roger Delaporte became the major promoter in Paris and his FFCP promotion became the main source of televised bouts. However, it it's difficult to watch a Catch bout offhand and tell who the promoter is and what promotion it's from. It's interesting reading your comments on Catch since you're starting at a point where the decline had well and truly set in. That said, you tend to favor a style of wrestling that French Catch may not deliver in spades. We'll see as the decade progresses. FWIW, Jean Corne is one of my favorite French wrestlers and I really like Michel Saulnier as well. Andre wouldn't become the Andre you're looking for until he was exposed to wrestling in the States and Japan, but it's intriguing to watch him as a young French heavyweight wrestler. He has a bout against Franz van Buyten in '68 that provides a better glimpse of what he was aspiring to be. I like Ray Steele. He was a good hand. I tend to like 80s WoS heavyweights, however. Arras' bouts are fun if you know him from film and television. Of all the comedy workers, Kellett was the genius and the guy I would watch any new footage of. Masambula has a huge rep, so I was surprised by your reaction.
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[2005-06-23-WWE-Smackdown] Eddy Guerrero vs Rey Mysterio
ohtani's jacket replied to Loss's topic in June 2005
This is a MOTYC, but more importantly it marks the return of Eddie to the heights of the Lesnar and JBL matches. The fact that he had great runs as a babyface and a heel in 2004-05 is special. The only thing that didn't work for me about this match was Eddie snapping midway through after working relatively cleanly to start. The commentators weren't able to explain why he snapped and there wasn't a clear reason for laid out in the ring. Later on, the commentators tried to explain that Eddie saw an opportunity to cheat to win, but that doesn't really cut it. Eddie was acting unhinged at the time, so perhaps he was trying to have a moment where he snapped, but if that's the case they didn't build to it very well. The work after Eddie snapping was excellent, and if anyone says they hate the 619, I defy them to shit on the finish to this bout. I also kind of love how biased the commentators are. Cole had a tendency to go OTT in Rey Mysterio matches, but I enjoyed the melodrama here, especially when he implored Eddie to "just end the damn thing." Of course, they wouldn't end the damn thing, but that's another story. -
Not sure all those matches are from the FFCP if you're picky about that sort of thing.
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Andre the Giant & Ted DiBiase vs. Jerry Valiant & Baron Mikel Scicluna (WWF, 7/26/79) This is the so-called Battle of Atlantic City. It's weird seeing DiBiase and Andre as a babyface team. They would have made good tag champs. The match is basically a lengthy beatdown of DiBiase while Andre desperately struggles to make a tag. In that sense, it's the same as any other Andre tag match, but this time we actually get to see Andre fight through adversity and score a win for his team. Entertaining bout. Adrian Adonis & Dick Murdoch vs. Jack & Jerry Brisco (WWF, 1/12/85) This is a rematch of the more famous (and divisive) match. The Philly crowd hates Adrian and by the end of the bout they're pelting him with garbage. A lot was made about WWF heel-in-peril tag wrestling when people argued about this matchup, but when it comes time for the heels to take over, they really fuck Jerry Brisco up. I love Murdoch and Adonis. I don't care what anyone says. I also love this matchup. A redneck, a leather wearing New Yorker, and a pair of Oklahomans, all wrestling in a WWF ring. Magic.
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The Killer Bees vs. Demolition (WWF, 3/15/87) This was the final of the Frank Tunney Sr. Memorial Tag Team Tournament. The teams weren't given a lot of time and Gorilla kept arguing with Jimmy Hart on commentary. You can skip this.
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Finally, someone who agrees with me about Rene Ben Chemoul!
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The Killer Bees vs. Demolition (WWF, 10/9/87) Ooh, I like those Killer Bees jackets. Classy. The Houston commentary team may be the worst commentary team in the history of the WWF. It's like listening to Doris Burke commentate with Yosemite Sam. The only saving grace about it is that Scott Keith started some asinine rumor that Bruce Prichard was the Duke. Commentary aside, this was an excellent match. The longer two-out-of-three falls format gave them a chance to use more psychology than you generally see in a WWF tag match. Given how stacked the WWF roster was at the time, it's no surprise that you get matches like these on house shows. I just wish they'd run this sort of match on a PPV. It would have given the bout much more exposure, and people would still be talking about it today. Everything about this was a perfect display of both team's strengths and weaknesses. It was an excellent contest up until the finish. The finish was a standard WWF finish for the era (almost as common as signature moves or post-match humiliations.) I don't know if Demolition had a finisher at this point, but I would have rather seen them hit a double team move even if they had to cheat to set it up. Nice match, though. Looks like my next little detour is more Demolition vs. Bees matches if they exist.
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[2005-06-11-IWA-MS-Something To Prove] Samoa Joe vs Necro Butcher
ohtani's jacket replied to Loss's topic in June 2005
This is a great match, and a crazy, violent brawl, but I think any talk about a MOTYC or beyond is a bit of a stretch. Hold your horses, fellas. -
I can't find the last Bees vs. Harts match I'm looking for, so here's a singles match instead: Bret Hart vs. Jumping Jim Brunzell (WWF, 5/4/86) This not the Bret vs. Brunzell match you imagine in your head, but to be honest, I'm not sure if Bret in 1986 was capable of the Bret Hart vs. Brunzell match that I'm imagining. Instead, it was a typical house show match. Bret was wearing a red version of the Hart Foundation tights that I've never seen before. The action was decent if you consider that it was meant to be a cookie cutter heel vs. face bout.
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[2005-06-26-WWE-Vengeance] Batista vs HHH (Hell In A Cell)
ohtani's jacket replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in June 2005
I hate how Triple H has attached his name to the Hell in a Cell gimmick. It's not your personal gimmick match, asshole. I had low expectations for this as I haven't really enjoyed the Batsita/Triple H feud so far. Batista does a pretty shitty job of cutting promos during the highlights package. He's not bad at talking normally, but when he needs to deliver a savage one-liner he sounds like a pencil neck geek. This is a good match, though. It's mostly built around weapon shots and blood, and they didn't actually need it be a Hell in a Cell match, but at least Hunter finally lost one. JR kept on harping on about the sadistic personality of the cage and how it shortens careers. Meanwhile, they worked some pretty smart nearfalls using the props in the ring. I really liked the finish. That was a creative ending. The much maligned Triple H took a hell of an ass whooping in this match and has now put Batista over three times in a row. Yeah, he's annoying and sometimes you wish he'd just go away, but he was nowhere near as bad as wrestling fans made out at the time. This wasn't a great feud, but Triple H did the right thing for business. Don't you be comparing him to Hollywood Hulk Hogan or any other selfish headliner. -
The Killer Bees vs. Hart Foundation (WWF, 5/31/88) This appears to be the last Bees vs. Hart Foundation match that made tape. It's a match from Fresno that aired on Prime Time Wrestling. It was part of the Hart Foundation face turn, which in the late 80s WWF I grew up on meant turning on your heel manager. Slick was on commentary, which was amusing. My first memory of wrestling was Hacksaw Jim Dugan hitting Andre the Giant with his 2x4, which had to be around this time.
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[2005-06-18-ROH-Death Before Dishonor III] Austin Aries vs CM Punk
ohtani's jacket replied to supersonic's topic in June 2005
This wasn't one of the greatest matches in ROH history, but it did live up to the hype of Aries defending the belt against Punk in Punk's final ROH match. The crowd reaction sounded artificial at times, and the finishing stretch was awful, but there's no denying that Punk winning the title was a special moment. He undid all that with a promo that was laced with the type of half-truths that make marks even angrier. It was kind of weird how it all turned into a groveling Christopher Daniels promo, but I guess that was all apart of the spectacle. I still think Punk beating Joe would have meant more than this. -
Killer Bees vs. Hart Foundation (WWF, 9/18/87) This was a match from the Spectrum that aired on Prime Time Wrestling, and actually got a decent amount of time (13:28). It was part of Prime Time Wrestling's build towards the big tag team elimination match at Survivor Series '87. We never got Prime Time Wrestling in New Zealand. I gotta say, I thought it would be flashier. For what it's worth, I thought the Bees were sporting their best look here. Boots, kneepads, and the bee trunks. None of this tennis shoes bullshit.
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It's been forever since I've watched match from my boy, Low Ki. Unfortunately, he's second fiddle here and the match is more about the build to Punk vs. Aries. Ki has his moments, but the storyline is about how hard Aries has been pushing himself as champ and how even ROH officials are warning him to slow down. There's a couple of cool spots from Low Ki, but he basically could have been anybody.