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I'll see you that and raise the two Leilani Kai vs. Chigusa matches. I wonder how far people got post-Dump. Maybe that was a factor. Judy Martin is a great worker, I just find it weird that Lelani wasn't nominated as well.

OK, so this was good. Danielson's "best in the world" shtick irritates me, but that shot at the end with the bleeding forehead almost had me believing. This was a straight up work rate match. Yeah, the selling, transitions and character work could have been better at times (you're not wrong, Marty), but in terms of two dudes hitting each other with everything they've got, this was extremely satisfying. McGuiness may not be the smartest wrestler of all-time, but he knows how to hit a guy with a short arm lariat, and I think he matches up with Danielson extremely well. I could watch these two pummel each other all day long, though I doubt it would be great for either man's health.

How did Judy Martin get nominated but Lelani Kai didn't?

Was it Joshifans?

That reminds me of that fun primer comp that was made of early 00s Joshi. I can't remember the name of the guy who made it off the top of my head, but he was a cool dude. That and PUNQ match lists. Another guy who abandoned wrestling for movies, IIRC.

I really should have voted for Ken Joyce. Definitely the best of the WoS maestros. Not that it would have made much of a difference with the WoS guys dropping like flies. 00s Joshi perennially overlooked. I guess it may be that way for all time. To be fair, the decade started promisingly but fell off pretty quickly.

No-one will confuse this with being Joe and AJ's best match, but Joe vs. AJ lite is still a Joe vs. AJ match. You wish there was more depth to it, but they're being pushed for their workrate first and foremost. Weird WWE-esque finish.

I feel guilty since I left Rey off my list.

Yes! The docile tones of Matt D.

Nominating workers so that you can vote for themselves only for them to get 1 point anyway seems like an unnecessary step. I would prefer write-in votes, but it's not gonna move the needle either way.

Ted DiBiase vs. The Barbarian in a ten minute MidSouth brawl sounds like perfection.

Perhaps what you guys have done with the list in the 10 years since is more impactful (and positive) than the poll was at the time. The concept of only getting to do it once every 10 years, and younger fans finally getting a chance to vote, seems like a much brighter legacy than anything I remember from the '16 vote. I don't want to dismiss any of the work that went into the podcasts, though. Were you doing your podcast with Jimmy Redman at the time? Was that you? Tell me that was you.

Javier Cruz' drop off from #120 in 2006 is huge. I think we were watching a lot of 1990 EMLL at the time and he played a prominent role that year. Nice to see a lot of IWRG guys I haven't thought about it in donkey years. Chico Che! I was the other voter on Rene Lasartesse. Nice to see Matt and me on the same page. Not sure how I feel about Alex Wright being ahead of his dad. Actually, I do know how I feel. My favorite pick goes to Jim Brunzell. A fine wrestler.

It's a bit sad to see the French guys falling so soon. I guess Catch fans don't have much reach, though I know Matt tries his best. I was a non-believer as far as Rene Ben Chemoul goes until I saw film clips of him from earlier in his career. I have no doubt that in his prime he was one of the best ever. What we have from television is basically his post-prime, which people still find to be very good. Tejero deserves to be on everyone's radar as one of the great foils in wrestling history. I love El Signo. Texano was the best of the Misioneros, but Signo was the glue. i have a lot of time for Joe Malenko as well. Malenko vs. Fujiwara is a joy.

Satanico, Pirata Morgan, MS-1 vs. Mascara Ano 2000, Universo 2000, Cien Caras (AAA, 7/30/93) Time for the title match. This was for the Mexican National Trios titles. The Dinamitas were the champs. Both teams had extended entrances, which was nice. There was a cool moment after they took a photo of the belts where the Infernales tried to snatch them away from the refs. They went with a traditional opening caida. The matwork wasn't very good because, let's face it, the Dinamitas weren't exactly known for their mat skills. The initial MA2K/Satanico exchange was especially disappointing, although they did much better in the second caida when they switched to standard lucha exchanges. MS-I and Caras once again stole the show. I liked how their story was told over three acts. That's pretty good going for a pair of third stringers. The biggest problem I had with the match was the booking. Satanico faked a foul to win the opening caida. I know you were supposed to think how ring savvy he was for getting away with it, but I hate that kind of shit after weeks of drawing blood. The crowd didn't care because it was in Monterrey, and they either like or are used to that type of crap. They mostly cared about who won the fall. Caras repaid the favor in the second fall, and then Tirantes pulled a fast count in the tercera. What bugged me the most, though, was that instead of working the bout like a powder keg that was about to explode, they never really went at it. The Infernales attacked Caras after the bell, but it would have been nice to have seen some of that intensity during the match. It did have a certain vibe to it, though. I'd call it a good match but not a classic. MS-1 and Caras were fun, though.

I don't remember a lot of the details either. The nominating/pimping process was a lot shorter. I think most of the arguments centered around workrate vs drawing power, but I might be getting my boards mixed up.

Yeah, everyone should watch the Caribbean Sunshine Boys. It got out of hand and they had to break them up shortly afterwards. Pete Roberts had plenty of great matches in his career. He seem a bit boring at first, but he was incredibly skilled and had a bit of the angry redhead to him. If you've ever doubted that Roberts could be entertaining check out his great TV match with Indio Guajaro. His feud with Wayne Bridges was fantastic too. I was surprised that Steve Wright didn't get more votes. He's a bit lacking in the matches department, though his 1986 bout against Marty Jones (as Bull Blitzer) is a classic WoS bout.

It was a lot of strong personalities arguing about things that mattered to wrestling fans at the time but probably mean nothing to younger voters. I agree that it was a product of its time, much as the first list was. One of the benefits of this year's list is the availability of footage. These days if you hear people talk about a wrestler, you can easily watch a bunch f their matches and form your own opinion. Back then, opinion makers mattered more because the footage wasn't as readily available, and way back in '06, a lot of us weren't sure there were 100 great workers because only the hardcore tape traders had access to a decent amount of footage.

So, yeah, Muhammed Ali... Time has not been kind to Chavo Jr. Poor Kido. WoS guys not doing well, as predicted by many. I think my favorite pick from this batch is Islander Tama. Nice choice.

Yeah, but you're incumbent on individual voters to take the time and effort to nominate candidates that they think are noteworthy (for whatever reason). Since you're relying on people's individual knowledge or preferences, you get oversights where someone like Megumi Fuji gets nominated but Hiromi Yagi doesn't. The nomination threads serve a great purpose in stimulating conversation and introducing voters to new workers, but the pool of participants in the nominating process was much smaller than the voting group. Yes, it was 10 years, but it was a slow 10 years for this message board. In retrospect, this place probably wasn't the best to host the poll, which is no doubt why it spread out to Discord and Twitter, but I get the nod to the past. The people in charge were very inclusive and wanted as many people to participate as possible, which is great and lead to a large turnout, but I don't think you can blame the large pool for voting for candidates that didn't receive a nomination. Personally, I would have given points to every wrestler that was voted for given that it doesn't make a difference to the end results, but the best answer is probably "You had 10 years." I don't wanna make it sound lie a major complaint. I don't think I nominated anyone, and I only participated at the 11th hour because I'm suddenly interested in wrestling again after six months of not watching anything. At least it was better than last time. I don't think the board ever recovered from the last GWE.

WWE Vault footage: Masa Fuchi & Mr. Onita vs Charlie Cook & Killer Karl Kox (12/26/1981) -- Kox tagging with a black guy against two Japanese kids is interesting. Some decent scrapping. Danny Hodge vs Khosrow Vaziri (01/08/1974) -- more Hodge is always appreciated. Young Iron Shiek isn't bad either. This was a bit dry, though. Raul Mata vs Missouri Mauler (08/10/1976) -- gotta love Raul Mata doing his best proto-El Dandy impersonation. Dusty Rhodes & Bill Watts vs Dory Funk Jr. & Terry Funk (09/29/1979) -- we had the first half of this already, but I don't remember seeing the footage that Dusty commented over. File this under "What to wear to a Street Fight." Steve Keirn vs Mr. Saito (04/19/1980) -- Saito was such a beast. I deeply regret not voting for him for the GWE. Hopefully others picked up the slack. The training footage prior to this clip is awesome. Dusty Rhodes & Killer Karl Kox vs Jos LeDuc & Pak Song (01/30/1979) -- worth watching for the heat alone. I liked LeDuc's promo too. IIRC, we have the TV from the week before if you want more of a lead-in. Harley Race vs Jack Brisco (either 05/18/1974 or 05/17/1975) -- I suspect this is from '75 as Harley had peroxide blonde hair in '74. The pick of the new footage. Hard to tell whether this was standard for them, but it was highly entertaining. Some of the positions Harley found himself in were hilarious. I know a lot of people don't like his selling, but I liked his goofy contortions. Jack is Jack. A better fired up babyface than he's given credit for.

Satanico, Pirata Morgan, MS-1 vs. Mascara Ano 2000, Universo 2000, Cien Caras (AAA, 7/23/93) Another short match. The Infernales had fancy duds on, and for the most part this was a classic Infernales beatdown, the same routine they had done to so many other teams over the years. I did enjoy the Dinamatas' comeback in the second fall, however, especially the way they threw Pirata and MS-1 over the barricade and into the crowd. There was an extra emphasis on Cien Caras vs. MS-1 in this bout, starting with the amusing screencap at the beginning of the footage and continuing throughout the bout. MS-1 was past his best at this point, but I loved his exaggerated selling, and Caras has always been one of those guys who seems extremely limited but is actually pretty clever. Next up is the title match.

I love Killer Karl Kox. Was just watching him last night in the WWE vault footage.

Regardless of the pros and cons of the nomination system, I'm surprised by how many Joshi candidates didn't receive a nomination. I thought there was a big push for Josh this time round.

I voted for some of those names. I didn't realize they would be ineligible since Grimmas made a post where he said he wasn't going to be overly strict about it. I guess that was before he received close to 500 ballots. I have mixed feelings about the nominating process. For starters, it requires people to register an account here, which is a pain in the ass, and the list often wasn't updated for months at a time, which is a deterrent similar to how long people have to wait for approval for a match review to be cleared by a moderator. Unless there was some other way to nominate wrestlers on Discord or somewhere else that I don't know about. Anyway, there are a lot of great workers on that list. Some of them I'm not sure how they weren't nominated.