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[2005-10-01-ROH-Joe vs Kobashi] Samoa Joe vs Kenta Kobashi
ohtani's jacket replied to Loss's topic in October 2005
This was my first time to watch this match. How's that possible? I spent a lot of time watching other types of wrestling, or not watching wrestling at all, but it's a match I know by name and by rep. I'm glad I watched a bunch of 00s Joe and Kobashi before diving into it. I may not have lived it in the moment, but I get why this was such an exciting match up in 2005. Rarely do matches like this live up to the billing. I'm not sure if Kobashi knew what he was getting into when he agreed to travel to the States to wrestle this match, but as soon as he walks out through the curtain and the crowd chant his name, you can tell that he's amped. They work a great match for the setting. By the time it was over, I was left wondering whether it was the best match by a Japanese wrestler on American soil. At the least, you'd have to say it was the best match by a Japanese worker on US soil since Liger/Pillman. There's no point comparing it to Kobashi's best matches, or Joe's best fights in ROH, as this was a pure spectacle. This is a gift for anyone who's ever scanned through match listings looking for matchups between workers they like. It was a slam dunk as far as dream matches go. -
This was really good. Not as good as their Wrestlemania classic but better than their rematch at Vengeance. There was an obvious comparison with Daniels vs. Styles from Bound for Glory. Daniels and Styles were probably better workers than Michaels and Angle, but the book was better here with the scored locked at 2-2 heading into the final minutes and a more realistic finish. People who have issues with Angle & Michaels matches will have issues this one too as Michaels once again displays his superhuman ability to not tap to Angle submissions. If you buy into it, throw back the popcorn as this one has entertainment aplenty.
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We already knew that the INA doesn't have every match that was ever broadcast as there were 50s and 60s broadcasts missing from the archives.
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Dick Murdoch vs Afa (WWF, 10/22/84) This was a fun match. Of course, it was Murdoch doing a bunch of entertaining shtick almost like a one man comedy act, but it got me wishing that Dick had done a bit more in the WWF so that we could call him a WWF guy. He worked New Japan a lot with the WWF guys, but if he'd just had a few runs against Backlund, or even against Hogan, I think he'd be right up there with Valentine and Slaughter.
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This wasn't a bad match, but I don't think anybody really wants to see an Iron Man match where there are no pinfalls or submissions until the last moment. They could have just as easily worked with a 30 minute time limit. AJ getting a pin as the clock run out was too cutesy for my liking. The likelihood of being able to pull that off seems miniscule to say the least. They worked hard, but I think they would have been better served by better booking.
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[2005-10-23-TNA-Bound For Glory] Samoa Joe vs Jushin Liger
ohtani's jacket replied to G. Badger's topic in October 2005
Great entrance from Joe. This wasn't a great match but it had to have been a thrill for Joe to wrestle Liger and at least Liger was treated better than that shit with Russo in WCW.- 1 reply
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- Samoa Joe
- Jushin Liger
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This wasn't the most exciting match in rhythm and pacing, but it gave the crowd some interesting wrinkles. First of all, they got to see Mistico and Perro team up, and actually work together, in what would have been a dreaming pairing for a lot of the audience members. They also got to see Atlantis working rudo, and a portion of the audience continued to boo him every time he was in the ring. The highlight of the match was Mistico and Wagner linking for a pair of dives.
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It happened all the time in the UK as well with wrestlers being billed from the West Indies, Africa, Russia, different parts of Asia, and God knows where else. It was wrestling 101 in the 20th century.
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Well, Rebel Ray Hunter was Australian.
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The Beginner's Guide To British Wrestling
ohtani's jacket replied to ohtani's jacket's topic in Megathread archive
St. Clair's year of birth is listed everywhere as 3/28/47 except for his English wiki page, which I presume is a mistake. The same Wrestling from Great Britain title is on other films I have from this era. IIRC, it is in color on the color films. -
The Beginner's Guide To British Wrestling
ohtani's jacket replied to ohtani's jacket's topic in Megathread archive
Clay Thomson vs. Tony St. Clair (8/18/67) This was a fine catchweight contest. I was glad for fxnj's sake that it went five rounds to a finish rather than finishing early. Fans of Clay Thomson are going to be excited by this one and he looks slick. Tony does well for a 20 year old, but this is all about Clay. Clay Thomson vs. Bert Royal must have been a heck of a bout from this era. -
Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
ohtani's jacket replied to TravJ1979's topic in Pro Wrestling
FWIW, I watched Bull Nakano interview Mach Fumiake and Mach confirmed all of the above. I'm hoping Bull interviews some more of these 70s wrestlers. She did one with Mariko Akagi that was quite good. -
[2005-09-18-WWE-Unforgiven] John Cena vs Kurt Angle
ohtani's jacket posted a topic in September 2005
This almost hit the spot. Angle was a rampaging, roided-up psycho, which you love to see, and Cena was pretty good, but it quickly descended into storyline hell. This is the type of stuff they should save for television not the pay-per-view match. It didn't help that the show had featured two excellent matches in Michaels vs. Masters and Hardy vs. Edge, the latter featuring perfect booking. Not bad, but I want to see them go one-on-one without any distractions. -
[2005-09-18-NOAH-2nd Great Voyage] KENTA vs SUWA
ohtani's jacket replied to Loss's topic in September 2005
I really wanted to see SUWA and Joe go at it. It reminded me of fights you see on the train sometimes between old guys and younger dudes. This was fun, but not really what I look for in a Japanese match. I can understand the appeal, though, and I liked the part where SUWA attacked the guys trying to put the turnbuckle pad back on. I'm all aboard the KENTA train too, twenty years later.- 16 replies
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- NOAH
- September 18
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[2005-09-11-Big Mouth Loud] Daisuke Ikeda vs Katsumi Usuda
ohtani's jacket replied to GOTNW's topic in September 2005
This was fun, though vastly different from the types of short, athletic matches that they had in their primes. Ikeda was committed to playing the washed up prizefighter at this point. There were some cool spots. I thought Usuda could have gotten a few more licks in, bur this won't disappoint if you like post-prime Ikeda.- 1 reply
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[2005-09-11-Big Mouth Loud] Yuki Ishikawa vs Alexander Otsuka
ohtani's jacket replied to Loss's topic in September 2005
This was a fun match. It was almost like a minimalist version of BattlARTS that evolved from them getting older. Nowhere near as violent as the Ikeda match, but Ishikawa still got a punch in before the sleeper at the end.- 5 replies
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- Big Mouth Loud
- September 11
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[2005-09-17-ROH-Glory By Honor IV] Bryan Danielson vs James Gibson
ohtani's jacket replied to Loss's topic in September 2005
This was okay. I didn't really buy into it as some kind of amazing technical match, and I agree that it lacked the urgency and drama you'd expect the type of match the commentators were trying to sell. I also couldn't figure out whether Danielson was working heel or face, not that I like his schtick either way. What I did love was the finishing stretch with Gibson fighting so hard to avoid Cattle Mutilation. Those types of exchanges I could appreciate more than the "Ladies and gentleman, James Gibson" schtick from earlier in the match.- 7 replies
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- ROH
- September 17
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This was spotty but entertaining. I've been conditioned to watching Triple Threat matches in WWE and ROH so they don't faze me anymore. My biggest takeaway from this was they were being set up to be more like TNA's version of cruiserweights than the complete workers they were in the indies. I mean there are a lot of high flying spots in this compared to your average match from these guys. Joe's dives are incredible, though.
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- TNA
- September 11
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Dylan Hales used to always speak highly of this match and with good reason. This is the closest thing you'll see to a proper Cage Match in the WWE. Even Hardy's decision to do the Bull Nakano leg drop off the top of the cage makes sense within the context of the story. I couldn't keep up with which parts of the feud were a shoot and which parts were a work, but this has got to be Matt Hardy's career match.
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I'd never seen this before. It's an interesting television documentary that maintains kayfabe while at the same time putting a French spin on things yet still provides a glimpse into what life was like for the AJW wrestlers and some of the personal problems they had at the time. You also get expert commentary from Flesh Gordon.
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The trailer for this finally dropped. I have high hopes for this as Netflix Japan have a pretty decent track record. Chigusa was involved in the wrestling choreography.
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This was a lot more fun than I thought it would be. Of course, it was mainly smoke and mirrors with Pierroth's crew, the commissioner Scorpio Sr, Los Perros and La Nazi, but lucha has been having apuesta matches like these since the dawn of time. They're not always Sangre Chicana vs. MS-1. After the bout, Los Perros humiliated Pierroth with a bag of leaves to make up for Pierroth feeding them dog food the week before. Not sure whether they were meant to be tobacco leaves or something else. Halloween was way too cocky while taunting Pierroth. He's got a hiding coming. This could have been a lot worse.
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Shawn Michaels continues his odd little year. It's almost like he doesn't give a shit who they put him against, he's delivering a good match no matter what. Masters is basically doing The Narcissist gimmick with Billy Jack Haynes' finisher. The kid does a good job in this match, but it's no surprise that he was in and out of the fed before being cut loose. At least he has this match on his resume. Vince must have been creaming over this backstage. MASTERPIECE! SEXY BOY!
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This was kind of a necessary but uninspiring end to the Eddie vs. Mysterio feud. The emotional, Mexican soap opera stuff had concluded at SummerSlam, but Eddie still needed a pin over Mysterio before moving on to a new program. A cage match gave Rey the perfect out to drop a match to Eddie and so we get this closer. Despite the fact that this feud had given us excellent character work and acting from Eddie, and rejuvenated his career to an extent, I think everyone was ready to see it end.
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Collins vs. St. Clair (Bremen“95 - Chain match) Collins comes out to Frankie Goes to Hollywood's Two Tribes, which is a respectable choice. Tony comes out to Simply the Best by Tina Turner. You can tell he's used it before as he fist pumps to the drum part right before the chorus. This is a decent match considering it's only 10 minutes long. It could have done with more blood and more violence, but that's asking a lot from 90s Catch. If it had been the 80s, you would have had 30 minutes of Collins grinding the chain into St. Clair's face. God bless Tony. I respect the fact that he was still working in the 90s. He knows what he's supposed to do with the chain in these types of matches, but he's incapable of emoting any sort of anger or rage. At least they were active.