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Going through the thread I thought folks were being overly critical, but yikes, this was not good. The first 2 falls felt rushed and the third fall had some OK brawling with some big dives and the crowd going wild, but it wasn't special. The Rey missed top rope moonsault to the floor was crazy. I thought this would be good as Rey and Psicosis were on opposing teams the previous 2 weeks and those were great. I'll take Indómito teaming up with Psicosis against Rey and handcuffing than Mr. Condor and Heavy Metal here. The opening match between Misterioso, Pantera del Ring & Volador vs. Jerry Estrada, Tony Arce and Vulcano was better than this.
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Everyone hating on the Konnan run in is missing the context of it. It's part of what happened the prior week. Perro had mano a mano match with Fishman and Cien Caras came out and they put a beatdown on him. They left him bloodied in the ring as Cien was stomping his head in with cowboy boots. In the post match interview, Perro called for Konnan to join him in his battle against Fishman and Cien. That's noteworthy when watching this. I can get why it's not appealing to folks out of context, but leaving that out isn't helpful as it's straightforward booking.
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I saw this live at Performance Center (haven't seen this on tape yet), but live this was a blast. Cruz Montana is the AFKA Mike Santana from LAX. He's been around for years now. Dion Lennox is a former NFL player which is a great background to use to transition to pro-wrestling. First time seeing him and he looked very good here, although this was mostly called by Cruz who's the veteran here. The story going into this is Cruz is a hot head with a sketchy past and who's had to work hard for everything he's achieved; meanwhile Dion is the pro athlete who is genetically gifted and who's won many opportunities due to his athletic abilities. Cruz is built as 5'10 and Dion at 6'2, but that can't be right as they were equally as big and both guys are much taller than 5'10. This genuinely felt like a true modern heavyweight pro-wrestling brawl where the high spots were kept to a minimum and the heat was brought by 2 big guys who had a score to settle. The match was built around the hot head Cruz putting a beatdown on Dion and boy did he. I'm sure at some point in his early career Cruz was on the end of some of those JAPW early 2000s Low Ki beatdowns and now 20 years later he's the one dishing it out because man did he put a beatdown on Dion. Everything Cruz threw looked tremendous. Dion was mostly on the end of the beatdown, but even then when on offense he was throwing heat back at Cruz. More one sided in favor of Cruz than evenly matched, but it worked in this scenario as it was Cruz fighting out of anger for everything Dion and his guys had said about Cruz and his personal issues. We don't get a clean finish, but again, it made sense given the story developing as Cruz completely loses it and wipes out Dion and his crew. This really came across like a clean and properly produced vintage JAPW brawl from the early 2000s. Made me want to watch more Cruz and Dion than anything else. As I mentioned previously, Cruz I was familiar with from his time in LAX, but as a singles he's truly come into his own and developed a lot. I went to the tapings to watch Wagner Jr.'s kids vs. the BirthRight (which was alright) and came out blown away by this. Really, really good under-the-radar match.
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This entire rivalry has been money. This was no different. This match is fire. This entire feud is more of a WWC Puerto Rico-style feud than a CMLL feud. Even the pre-match videos ahead of the matches are filmed like they were for WWC. The endless arena brawling feels WWCish. This rivalry was also built on Pierroth returning to Mexico from a lengthy tour of Puerto Rico and he betrayed Mexico and claimed he was Puerto Rican now. That should give an indication that Pierroth had a hand in booking this. The entire match itself keeps up with the theme of the feud with everyone just going nuts fighting all over the arena while the crowd is going crazy. Even Alushe runs down the ramp at one point and attacks El Boricua from behind with a baseball bat. Villano III getting his leg stuck in a ringside seat and Universo 2000 blasting him with kicks gave me flashbacks of when Fuerza Guerrera tied Octagón's mask to the bottom rope. Villano III picking up a pack of 3 chairs and just whacking Pierroth with it was great. What a spectacle. What a brawl. What a feud. Love it.
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I've watched a lot of lucha recently and CMLL is far from what it once was. Despite the praise some of the matches have gotten, they don't hit imo. However, I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy this. It's a torneo cibernetico between Brillante Jr. (Andrade's cousin), Capitán Suicida, Dragón Legendario, Fugaz, Futuro, Hombre Bala Jr., Max Star, Pantera Jr., Rey Pegasus and Valiente Jr. for the Daniel García cup (Huracán Ramírez, not the other one from AEW). All 10 men are looking to breakthrough and they go balls to the walls from the start. There's really no downtime, but everything looks clean and fluid. Not an all-time classic, not a MOTYC and probably won't make a top 10 list for the year, but it's one of the matches I've enjoyed the most from what I've watched from CMLL this year.
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More of an angle more so than a match. One of the most sadistic and wildest angles I've ever seen. No hyperbole. Sullivan attacks Kanemura before the bell and Kanemura bleeds buckets. It looked like a scene from a horror movie.
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The Roman entrance was epic and you gotta love Punk's pre walkout video with AFI and with him wearing his old ROH black jacket. I've seen a lot of folks call this one of the best WM matches of all-time and I thought it was good, but not quite that good. There was plenty to dig like Punk getting juice off the big stair shot while in the tree of woe, Punk's exhausting selling where he was tumbling near the end, Punk tossing the tape at the ref. and hitting Reigns with the low blow before hitting the GTS, etc. This was quite long brawl, but that was to be expected and this never dragged as something key was always happening. I think a re-watch on this will be due at some point as I think I'll like it better without having watched as much wrestling beforehand. Regardless, this was still great.
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You know this was going to brought up. This was brief and exactly what it needed to be. Two giants throwing bombs and bumping big. Closer to Brock's second WM match with Goldberg than his other WM matches in length and style. Although it wasn't quite at that level. Career making performance and passing of the torch.
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[1991-03-30-SWS-Wrestlefest] Hulk Hogan & Genichiro Tenryu vs Legion of Doom
Edwin replied to Loss's topic in March 1991
This was awesome. The double press slam from LOD on Hogan and Tenryu is one of the most surreal spots you'll see. Hogan and Hawk are bleeding, hitting each other with chair shots and flinging tables at each other. Meanwhile Tenryu is getting tossed into the crowd and bumping for Animal. Words can't do this justice as to how entertaining this is. -
I liked this a lot, but there's two knocks on this. One has been said which was Goto popping up fairly quickly from the piledriver through the table. The other was Goto clearly blading during the initial headbutt exchange. You can see him quickly digging the blade into his forehead after every headbutt. I would say I'm one of the biggest Onita fans on here and am probably the biggest Goto fan on here and will say this was good, maybe even very good, but not great and not a MOTYC or anything imo.
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[1990-11-05-FMW-1st Anniversary Show] Atsushi Onita vs Mr Pogo
Edwin replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
Mr. Pogo's manager was Victor Quiñones. Quiñones worked in the Puerto Rico office with Carlos Colón and Victor Jovica. Pogo was touring Puerto Rico at the time so I'm sure that's where they met. Quiñones was also the founder of IWA JAPAN and IWA Puerto Rico and he was one of the key figures behind WWE Super Astros.- 11 replies
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[1990-04-13-WWF/AJPW Summit] Randy Savage vs Genichiro Tenryu
Edwin replied to Loss's topic in April 1990
Phenomenal match. Even before it starts, the crowd is hot for it. More so a WWE style match than a Dome style match, but it's still phenomenal as Macho Man and Sherri do a fantastic job heeling it up. Not much else I can add that hasn't already been said.- 20 replies
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[1990-02-12-FMW-Battle Brave] Atsushi Onita vs Masanobu Kurisu (Barbed Wire)
Edwin replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
This ruled. Kurisu is a fella who's stood out in FMW as he's more featured there as a main event player against Onita than he was in New Japan where I mostly saw him eating pins in multi man matches. This isn't as wild as the street fight with Dragon Master and Tarzan Goto, but this is a nice Korakuen Hall brawl along that line. Kurisu isn't afraid of laying in his offense and Onita is a madman and isn't afraid of getting all recked in barbed wire. They do an an excellent job building around the gimmick and this isn't an over the top FMW bloodbath, but Onita gets his back sliced up with the barbed wire.- 18 replies
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Not much else I can add here. This was really good. Love the intense exchanges between Tenryu and Choshu like everyone else seemed to have. Even though it wasn't a traditional tie up, it was still super tense between and the crowd ate it up. Gotta say I dig Takano much more as himself at heavyweight than as the Cobra at Jr. heavyweight. At heavyweight he looks more comfortable and is much more toned down than at Jr. heavyweight where he looked like he was trying to run through everything and even popped immediately from tombstone piledrivers at times.
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This was an absolute blast. I don't think it's too distracting, but I'll say contrary to everyone else that Perfect's bumping is a bit too over the top and nearly cartoonish. Dug him getting arrogant and letting Hogan go at the 2 count because the Genius wanted to get the pin and it backfired. Also dug Hogan tagging himself back in and trying to the glory from Warrior leading up to their Mania match.
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