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Both of Stampede's own Cuban Commandos, "The Cuban Assassin" Angel Acevedo and "Comrade" Gerry Morrow, are on the table, if you want to grab them. The first overall draft we had would randomize the order every two rounds (would have one order, snake back for the second round, then randomize for the third and snake back again, etc.) Will we be doing that or just keeping the same order? I am fin either way, although given there are less people participating this time out, there would be less of a need to randomize.

Cool cool.

Any ETA on when we can start?

Where is Jim Cornette at this point? I think he was in ICW but I can't see him on the board. Edit : Whoops, never mind, he is in Southeastern which explains why he is not on the board.

One last little note : Precious should be taken out of my available list, as she is protected by being one of my 3 managers (along with Robley and Kaissie). Edit : Also, a change in formatting for the WWA available list, the following names should be listed this way : Black Gordman & Goliath Spike Huber Billy Anderson

I am ready to rock.

OK, in that case my 3 managers (Robley, Kaissie, Precious) are out of the draft. Since that will give me 2 more free spots on my protected list, I will add Crusher and Wiskowski.

Hang on, does this mean that we can pull our 3 managers out of the draft? I have 2 managers in my protected list (Robley and Kaissie).

One of these days, I will figure out Kendo Nagasaki and Kendo Nagasaki ... and Greg Valentine and Greg Valentine ...

There are 2 Cuban Assassins, the PNW (and other territories) "Cuban Assassin" Fidel Sierra and the Stampede Cuban Assassin (real name Angel Acevedo) . A recent trade sent Fidel Sierra to Big Time and Angel Acevedo to Southwest.

Cuban Assassin is also missing from the Southwest roster.

Hulkster is in for some tough challenges even before the draft settles.

Working to get the November 25th TV written and posted to get caught up, but wanted to post the lineups for the upcoming AWA major house shows. Much thanks to the promoters for Memphis, Mid-South, Mid-Atlantic, WWA and International for their generous talent arrangements that helped make these shows possible. Lineup for AWA show at the Winnipeg Arena, Winnipeg, Nov. 25th The Wild Bills vs. The Wild Italians Samu vs. Apocalypse Ken Patera & Mike George vs. Iceman Parsons & "Wildman" Jack Armstrong Paul Orndorff vs. Da Crusher AWA World Tag Titles Match : The Road Warriors © vs. The Brotherhood Of Poland Greg Gagne vs. The Super Destroyer Lineup for AWA show at the Met Center, Bloomington, December 2nd The Latin Lovers vs. The Minnesota Heartbreakers The Rock 'n' Roll Express vs. The Brotherhood Of Poland Mr. Olympia & Tony Atlas vs. Eddie Mansfield & Rick Patterson Wahoo McDaniel & Samu vs. Lord Humongous & Apocalypse Iceman Parsons & Jerry Lawler vs. Ken Patera & Mike George Greg Gagne & The Fantastics vs. Paul Orndorff, Super Destroyer & Jimmy Garvin AWA World Tag Titles Match : The Road Warriors © vs. The Wild Bills Lineup for AWA show at the Cow Palace, San Francisco, December 9th Samu vs. Apocalypse The Wild Bills vs. The Fantastics Mr. Olympia, Tony Atlas & The Latin Lovers vs. Eddie Mansfield & The Minnesota Heartbreakers Wahoo McDaniel vs. Lord Humongous Greg Gagne & ? Vs. Paul Orndorff, Super Destroyer & Jimmy Garvin Iceman Parsons, Jerry Lawler & "Wildman" Jack Armstrong vs. Ken Patera, Mike George & Boris Zukhov AWA World Tag Titles Match : The Road Warriors © vs. The Rock 'n' Roll Express

Jeff Sword is missing from the Mid Atlantic available draftee list. He went there as part of a trade for Rick Patterson. Edit : also Brad Rheingins is listed twice, under Mid Atlantic and Montreal.

I will say, though, that pairing did lead to one of my all time favorite TV matches, in that the Kongs ambushing Sid Vicious so that Flair brought out his good buddy Arn Anderson to team with him against Vader and Steve Austin.

AWA show at the Mecca, Milwaukee, November 18th “Wildman” Jack Armstrong vs. Boris Zukhov Armstrong won with the running clothesline. Mr. Olympia vs. Eddie Mansfield Both men brawled outside the ring to a double count out. Samu vs. Col. Buck Robley At long last, Samu had finally gotten his hands on the commander of the Army and went wild on the Colonel. Robley fought back hard against “Samoan Dynamite”, but Samu was determined not to be denied as he set Robley up and went to the top turnbuckle to hit the Dynamite Splash. Out of nowhere, a masked man dressed all in green camouflage came from underneath the ring, leapt to the ring apron and shoved him off the top rope, sending him crashing to the mat. As the masked man put the boots to the felled Samoan , Robley grabbed the ringside mic and started screaming into it, “APOCALYPSE! APOCALYPSE! APOCALYPSE!” The two continued their assault on Samu until the AWA officials cleared them from the ring. AWA World Tag Titles Match : The Road Warriors © vs. The Wild Bills The Wild Bills tried to steal the belts back by getting a double clothesline on Hawk assisted by the bullrope, but Hawk ducked under and came back with his own double clothesline to retain the belts. AWA American Title Match : Iceman Parsons © vs. Ken Patera In a lengthy and intense match, Patera seemed about to put it away with a piledriver, only for Parsons to counter it by flipping over his back and landing on his feet. When Patera turned around, Parsons greeted him with a boot to the midsection and set up a piledriver of his own. He never got the chance to hit it, though, as Mike George charged into the ring and ambushed him from behind, leading to the ref calling for the DQ. Greg Gagne & Da Crusher vs. Paul Orndorff & Jimmy Garvin Garvin tried to get a roll up on Crusher out of the ropes, but Crusher grabbed the top rope and sat down hard on his chest. Precious swiftly jumped up on the ring apron and distracted the ref, and when the ref went over to tell her to get down, Orndorff clobbered Crusher in the head with a ringside chair, leaving Garvin to cover the unconscious Crusher for the three count.

AWA All-Star Wrestling for November 18th Interview Segment: The show opens with Mean Gene announcing that the following segment was recorded after the recent AWA show in San Francisco. The shot cuts to a solemn Hulk Hogan in the locker room. He is wearing slacks , a black t-shirt and dark glasses, and the right side of his face is lividly bruised. Hogan spoke in low tones as he said that, after the end of the show and his team’s victory over the New Japan show, he had been putting his gear in the trunk of his car when he was attacked from behind in the parking lot by all four members of the Japanese team , who kicked him and slammed his head multiple times into the side of his car before the were run off by security. Security wanted him to go to the hospital for medical attention, but he insisted on coming back to the locker room to speak his piece on camera. In all of the times he had gone to Japan to wrestle, he had never experienced this sort of dirty tactics and was not going to let it go unanswered. He was going to leave for Japan for a tour and would not be back until December, but he wanted to fans to rest assured that he would get revenge on Choshu and his crew, for the honor of the AWA and their great fans. “Wildman” Jack Armstrong vs. Boris Zukhov This was a full fledged slug fest between the Russian Menace and the unconventional newcomer to the AWA. Zukhov kept trying to beat Armstrong down with clobbering fists and forearms, but the Wildman kept fighting back with his own big blows. It seemed like Zukhov would finally put him way with his Hammer & Sickle finisher when he whipped Armstrong hard into the turnbuckle, but when he came in with the lariat, Armstrong ducked out of the way and came back with his own running clothesline to get the pin. Eddie Mansfield vs. Vinnie Valentino Mansfield was all business taking on one half of the Latin Lovers. Rumor has it that Mansfield had been threatened with a hefty fine if the Minnesota Heartbreakers interfered in his matches one more time, which would account for the fact that he came to the ring alone. Valentino sought to capitalize on this, dazzling the crowd and befuddling Mansfield with his high speed offense. However, Mansfield proved that he was still dangerous when he capitalized on the ref being out of position after a Valentino leapfrog to hit a nasty low blow, followed by a powerslam to get the dirty victory. Ken Patera vs. Dominic Denucci Although Patera has a justly deserved reputation as one of the most ruthless competitors, he is also a canny and well versed wrestlers, as he showed in this mostly technical bout with Denucci. The two exchanged holds and moves in a match that got the crowd on its feet, and when Denucci went in for a fireman’s carry, they cheered, thinking it might be to set up the Airplane Spin. Patera countered out of it, however, and instead locked in his own Full Nelson, forcing Denucci to give up. The Road Warriors & Moose Cholak vs. The Brotherhood Of Poland & Jimmy Garvin The Warriors and the Brotherhood had been mixing it up at house shows for the past few weeks, and bringing in their closest allies made for an even crazier match. Both teams knocked each other all over the ring, and the Brotherhood looked to steal the match away when Wiskowski took advantage of the chaos by hitting Cholak with a set of brass knucks then setting him up for a face first piledriver. Hawk had spotted this, though, and intercepted this with a top rope clotheline before covering the Polish Prince. The Brotherhood protested that Hawk was not the legal man, but the decision stood. Interview Segment : Mean Gene stood in the ring with Super Destroyer and Paul Orndorff. Gene asked, what exactly was Orndorff’s problem with Greg Gagne? Orndorff explained that, when he was in Georgia, Gagne had betrayed his partner and disgraced his name, teaming with the Super Destroyer and attacking him several times. Then, before Orndorff could get a chance to make him pay some dues, Gagne ran back home with his tail between his legs, abandoning Super Destroyer and robbing Orndorff of his chance at revenge. Well , Orndorff had come to show him for what he is to the AWA fans. Mean Gene protested that Gagne had already come clean about his actions in Georgia and was working hard to regain the trust of the fans. Orndorff said he didn’t care what Gagne claimed and the fans were saps if they believed him. Gagne was nothing but a gutless daddy’s boy whose daddy wasn’t around to protect him anymore, and he and the Super Destroyer were going to get their payback, no matter what it took. Samu vs. Lord Humongous Samu was looking for revenge himself on the entire Buck Robley’s army and tonight was taking on the big masked man, Lord Humongous. He really wanted to get his hands on Buck Robley, though, and Robley knew it, berating and antagonizing “Samoan Dynamite” while he battled it out with Humongous. Finally, Samu could take no more and dove out of the ring, crashing into Robley. Samu and the Colonel exchanged roundhouse rights and lefts as the ref had no choice but to count Samu out of the ring.

So you traded the Cuban Assassin for the Cuban Assassin?

AWA Protected List Hulk Hogan Road Warrior Animal Road Warrior Hawk Ken Patera One Man Gang Jimmy Garvin Mr Olympia (Jerry Stubbs) Iceman Parsons Wild Bill Irwin Billy Jack Sheik Adnan Kaissey Buck Robley Samu Paul Orndorff Greg Gagne Up for draft Ed Wiskowski Toru Tanaka Da Crusher Boris Zuhkov Javier Cruz Lord Humongous (Jeff Van Camp) Mike Boyette Moose Cholak Rick Patterson Vinnie Valentino Tom Stanton Rocky Brewer Cal Manson Stan Stasiak Bill Rathke Ivan Putski Precious Eddie Mansfield Mike George Dominic DeNucci Tony Russo 'Wildman' Jack Armstrong

No, 36 plus 3 managers. Other way, I'd end up losing a slot, and I'm really not up for that.

I am fine with that arrangement.

Yeah, I think that was probably part of the downfall of the original plan for the 6 month draft, that it would be mandatory. It wouldn't be realistic to force somebody to possibly lose half of their roster if they didn't want to make any changes, but for people that want it, it is a chance to freshen things up (and in this case, with new promoters coming in, they can put a bit more of their own stamp on their roster).

Yeah, and worst comes to worst, if there is somebody that gets picked and the original promoter realizes they still need them, they can always work out a trade or talent sharing.

I just did a quick list and think, with a save list of 15, I might well take part in the draft. There a few on my roster that may have a bit juice left that I could possibly end up re-drafting in the later rounds, and if I don't it won't destroy any plans.

Oy, the roster question … First things first, agree with the roster cap but would like to push it up to 36, with the 1 person addition every 4 months. When this project first started, the original intent was a redraft every 6 months, with I believe a 5 person save limit. The idea was discontinued early on but at this point we would be coming up on the time when that re-draft would have taken place. Then , when the first promoter dropped out, the suggestion was made that a neighboring territory would absorb it and the roster and the leftovers would go into a draft. This was approved, but after a while , as several more promoters dropped out, it got to be unmanageable. Of the 4 promotions that absorbed other territories, 2 are no longer active, and while I won’t say that is the direct cause, bloated rosters didn’t particularly help anyone (nor was Maple Leaf’s ambitious plan to expand into the WWF’s vacant territory ultimately successful). WWA and Southeastern managed to survive this by keeping both their rosters and their booking plans manageable. Right when I was about to inherit a sweet roster from Stampede and expand into their territory, the vote was taken to change to keeping promotions dormant for future writers and roster caps. I voted for both of these measures and would do it again … if I had gotten Stampede, I might well be further behind than I am now. I agree with the 6 month re-draft being brought back to allow to freshen up rosters and that it should be optional, although I would be sitting this one out (I find my own roster to be more or less right sized and have long term plans for too many people). I think the save list might be best set at 15, althought my opinion might be moot given I will not be in this draft. The thorny question is what to do with the inactive rosters. On the one hand, it might prove too tempting to cherry pick the inactive rosters and just draft the top level wrestlers, which has the twin problems of a) leaving nothing behind but lower level wrestlers for future new promoters, and ignoring the importance of having mid-card or lower level wrestlers on one’s own roster. On the other hand, several promotions have been inactive for a long time, and it can be very frustrating seeing the likes of, say, Barry Windham, Ricky Steamboat, Buddy Rose, Kerry Von Erich etc. etc. gathering dust when they could be used well by active promoters. My opinion is we should put the inactive promotion rosters full in the draft, but make some sort of allowance for future new writers that may crop up afterwards . What that should be … well, I’m open to suggestions.