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Awesome, thanks. New Japan and ROH have a strange ability to make me look at a card and, despite seeing match ups that look intriguing, not have a single clue if they'll actually be good or not.

Anything worth watching from the Honor Rising shows? Or is ROHs complete and utter blandness impossible to overcome?

I hope Santino inducts him, in character, as the Honky Donky Man.

I actually think I’d rather have Reigns in Seth’s corner at Mania instead of having him wrestle one of Raws boring as fuck heel guys.

He had fucking awesome entrance music and that will be missed.

FWIW, the four guys that a recent ex of mine loved were Finn and The Shield. Though, she also had a thing for Baron Corbin but I think that was an outlier. EDIT: I think it was Finn's ridiculous abs that she liked rather than his whopper but I'm sure her eyes were going there.

TJP has felt less and less useful as more and more guys on 205 Live came to the fore.

Yikes, Seth doesn’t seem like he’s going to fare any better as a top draw this time around. Looks like Becky will be Raw-bound after Mania.

I’m glad that the years of pushing part time talent as the only thing that matters is coming back to bite them. They need a Mania like this to shake them into life and change the focus a bit. As for Raw sucking, who would have guessed that putting all the good workers and tag teams who are capable of filling time with long matches on Smackdown would also come back and hurt them eventually?

I hope that the person playing Vince adopts his sleep cycle and rampant steroid abuse as a form of method acting.

Edge was always going to get pushed, regardless since they had him groomed for the top spot from 98 onwards. Whether that's because they considered him good-looking or not, I don't know but later, Rated R Edge was the very archetype of what WWE think cool people look like. Long hair, sunglasses indoors, suit jacket with t-shirt underneath and awful jeans.

It's awesome to see PAC back on the scene and clearly motivated to have good matches. The first few minutes of this is fairly pedestrian stuff until Kzy hits a dive that sends he and PAC backwards about 5 feet into the crowd and then follows it with a flipping neckbreaker from the apron. From there, we get PAC hitting an obscenely high superplex where it, honest to god, looks like KZYs feet touch the ceiling and he transitions into heel control. PAC bulking up and adding some whip and drive into his stuff during the WWE heel run really was a welcome addition, especially with KZY throwing himself and bumping huge and hard on everything. Say what you will about NXT, PAC is really a much more expressive wrestler having gone through the ringer. As said, when this goes, it stays gone; huge bombs thrown, the dives are hit with such smoothness and heft, all the big moves are hit such snap and torque that KZY really does look like he could have snapped his back at about 3 points and even the strike exchanges are done right. The shooting star to a standing KZY was one of the craziest killshots I can ever remember seeing. It looked like the kind of thing that would completely break both of your shoulders. Wild match with a lethal heel performance from PAC and a fantastic performance from underneath by KZY. 2019 PAC owns.

There's one great moment in this and it's when Sullivan first gets locked in and Savage, obviously finding a mic from somewhere, lets out a huge "OHHH YEAHHHHHH!". It sounds like the voice of God really enjoying what he's about to see and it cracks me up.

Wyatt with Harper in his corner vs Bryan with Rowan in his.

This is exactly the kind of discussion I want. The WWE house style has moved on so much since the start of the decade that I think matches like Christian vs Big Zeke may hold up stronger because of the distance than Charlotte vs Sasha in the cell. Either way, I'd love us all to dive in and make a phenomenal comp-worthy list.

Total Divas has the best WWE booking in 20 years

There's probably a more elegant way to phrase it than the thread title but I feel that this could be a pretty great ballot list if we had enough people committed to it. The 10s have to be the most consistent decade for WWE in-ring work ever, right? Granted, thanks to the sheer amount of TV/PPV/Network time they've accrued in the past decade, that's easier than it's ever been but still, it's a decade of work that is insanely stacked and I'd love to see a ton of people ordering lists and discussing things as the dust settles. Obviously, there's the whole of 2019 to go but this year seems like it's not going to let up so why not start now? My early, obvious contender for #1 is the Wyatts/Shield 6-man from Elimination Chamber 2014 but I think this could be a hell of a rewarding deep dive.

Velveteen seems TOO charismatic to fail but I have a feeling that he'll be a dude who will get hot at the wrong time and they won't pull the trigger on him because they're married to some other PPV main event

I hope Taker gets a photo with Cody or Jericho, if only to purposefully troll.

I think the longer issue when they try to play the crowd like this is that it ends up with some long-term unwanted resentment to the likes of Charlotte and they end up damaged.

Regardless of whatever the hell is happening here, Steph doing her husbands trick of latching on to anyone who is hot is disappointing but not completely unexpected.

We open with Queen of Heat, Vickie Guerrero out who is so sincere in wishing us a Happy New Year to absolutely deafening boos. As expected, we don't have long until HHH wanders out, in what can only be described as an outfit to ask if he can be in the Royal Rumble. So, I guess this was the start of guys just declaring themselves, rather than having to work their way into it. Vickie declines so HHH makes a bunch of fat-shaming jokes, implies that he got turned on by Vickie's action figure and that he discovered nude photos of Vickie on "eBay". Yeah, I don't know either. Anyway, Vickie lets him in the Rumble and runs off to outbid "ChavoG2009" for the photos. Man, WHAT a fucking start. This sort of putrid, shitty HHH comedy was godawful at the time and a decade has not been kind to it. Lest we forget that corporate HHH, king of NXT, still finds punch-down humour to be the funniest thing in the world. Great Khali and Finlay vs. Hawkins and Ryder I guess Hawkins and Ryder are now without Edge's backing but man, here's a babyface team I didn't know existed but the tallest guy on the roster next to the smallest is WWE undercard to a T. This is right into Hornswoggle's period as an impossibly over act so the match is largely based around Finlay working spots to get him into the match and, as you'd expect, Finlay is absolutely fantastic at it. Khali knocks Hawkins and Ryder's heads together so Finlay distracts the ref to allow Swoggle to do it for a big pop. Just because it's a comedy match doesn't mean Finlay is going to stop being Finlay as he's still full of nasty touches like stomping on Hawkins' hands, lacing into uppercuts and just never giving guys any time to settle. Khali remains a training dummy on wheels as he exists for the heels to bump around big for him. For a match based around heels bumping for both a giant and a mini, the bumps were good and this was perfectly fine. We cut to Edge and his outrageously bad acting as he literally rocks back in forth at anger and balls his fists up to convey rage at HHH. Just a stellar night for promo segments right now. Jesse and Festus vs. Brian Kendrick and Ezekiel Jackson Ah yeah, my man, Kendrick. He was just an absolutely fantastic asshole at this point and I was, for sure, certain that they were running the HBK/Diesel playbook with he and Zeke. Festus was a fun gimmick that I felt they did about all they could with. Once you've had the heels ring the bell to sedate him and kick the crap out of him or had him stay snapped for a heel turn, there's really nothing else to do. It's telling how much faster Gallows/Festus was here, even though Jesse is about as bland and uninteresting as you can get in-ring. What Festus needed was a better tag partner so they could come up with some more interesting offense. This match is, strangely, based around Festus being the FIP as he tweaks his knee which Kendrick goes after with nice kicks but it isn't given a chance to go anywhere before the hot tag. Zeke tags himself in and hits a Uranage for the finish but this was really far too short to matter much. It was obvious that Zeke was going to get the rocket strapped to him at some point but the act really needed Kendrick. Vladimir Kozlov vs. Hurricane Helms I guess this is post-main event Kozlov but they're still talking of him being undefeated and feuding with HHH so I dunno. Helms is "Hurricane Helms" which I have no memory of since I assumed that he returned as The Hurricane post-neck injury. Anyway, this is a minute of Kozlov grabbing a key lock, Helms rallying a comeback with a decent uppercut before Kozlov uses his head, literally, for another minute before locking in another key lock. Helms sells the headbutts to the chest in a great way, as it looks like they're sending shockwaves through his body but Kozlov was pretty terrible, especially as he struggled to fill a 3 minute squash match. As far as European terminators go, Tony Halme was a much better worker and they didn't persist with him half as long. JR runs down the Smackdown Rumble participants which feels like a really low-effort version of the old Rumble promo montages. US Champion Shelton Benjamin interrupts with an...ok promo. The disembodied voice of The Undertaker interrupts him, lights go off and Taker appears to chokeslam him, putting himself in the Rumble. If there's a "lights off and then on" angle in the history of wrestling that hasn't gotten over, I haven't seen it. Michelle McCool comes out to apologise to Maria or something? And holy shit, McCool is an awful promo. Eve comes out and the poor lamb, new to the world of professional wrestling, doesn't realise what's coming and who'd have thought it? McCool's apology to Maria and Eve was insincere and she's now a heel. To be fair to McCool, she does an awesome sneak attack, barrelling Eve into the barricade before fish hooking her mouth in a super nasty way. Mark your WWE bingo card down for "pulls at hair to signify anger" also. The Vickie Guerrero nude picture saga has now stretched to three segments, involving HHH, Vickie, Edge, Big Show and now Chavo Guerrero. This is like the nWo angle of offensive WWE humour. Vickie finally gets some measure of revenge by announcing Triple Jeopardy for next week. Wow thanks, I get to watch HHH wrestle three times. MVP vs. Kizarny Ah yes, the losing streak that absolutely killed off MVPs chances at being a top guy. I'm not sure but that's probably the first instance of the modern era of them truly fucking up a guy who could have made them money. Great worker, great promo, great character and they truly ruined it. And now, the dude has to wrestle Kizarny who, I think, was a buddy of Edge? If so, here's another reason to hate what he has wrought upon wrestling. OK, maybe that's harsh since he has a distinctive look but his dives and splashes look super weak, his bumping is pretty anaemic and his selling during MVPs control segment is underwhelming to say the least. I feel that the best MVP matches always had him working over a body part but this has him utilising a lot of body scissors and bear hugs which really lead nowhere as Kizarny is up and hitting running dropkicks in no time before winning with a Double arm DDT. Not a great match and an even worse way to debut someone as a would-be face, considering there were pockets of chants for MVP and absolutely nothing for anything Kizarny did. The lowlight being him trying to start a clap during a bear hug and receiving nothing for his attempts. I guess they wanted to keep MVP looking halfway competitive but nothing Kizarny did looked impressive and he spent a large time of this selling. They should have gave him the Helms match and gave Kozlov to MVP. Not that it matters since even here, you can tell that Kizarny was DOA. They should have him had do carnival stunts in front of live crowds for weeks before getting him in the ring, really. Mr Kennedy comes out with his terrible promos and his terrible facial hair and his terrible fashion sense and holy shit, they put him in a WWE film! Can we fast forward to the part where he fails to catch Randy Orton and they fire him? The Hardys vs Edge and Big Show Is Edge the worst top WWE guy ever? He's certainly in the mix as far as promos and character work go with his dumbass hair clutching and overacting and his weak, shitty offense in this match definitely adds to the cause. Matt Hardy's punches remain incredible, Jeff Hardy continues to throw himself into complete danger and this is Big Show at his slimmest, quickest and he was probably in his peak so Edge's shittiness stands out like a sore thumb. This is a WWE TV main event tag all ends up and everyone works it well, to be fair. We have a double FIP segment, Big Show hits great power spots and The Hardys get to show all of their great southern wrestling knowledge as Matt sells and cuts himself off like a pro. Show is fantastic; they're really selling his right hand as death and Matt is just collapsing after every chop. Show is just in fantastic shape, hitting suplexes and elbow drops and cutting an awesome pace for a guy his size and Big Show/Jeff Hardy feels like a real missed opportunity as a PPV main event. Jeff is an awesome apron worker, running up and down to get people into it and, while no part of this match raises above "good", all four guys know how to work this to perfection and the crowd ends up super into it for the ending stretch. Show ends up deserting Edge, which leaves him at the mercy of the Hardys and they get to run through their spots for the win. This was a decent enough show but WWE shows around the Royal Rumble tend to focus entirely on the Rumble match with feuds specifically designed to build to spots in the Rumble itself. Jeff Hardy was almost next-level over at this point so the tag is worth a watch for his popularity alone but this was pure Rumble build with a feel-good finish.

There have been times where teams have been really showcased and given the chance to anchor shows, to be fair. 2009 saw JeriShow, DX and Legacy as focal points and The Shield had about 4 or 5 great teams in their orbit. I think tags are something that Vince will utilise when they're hot and relegate to the midcard when they're not.

An oddly entertaining trainwreck, helped by Flair's baffling determination to work as hard as possible throughout it. What this is, is maybe the perfect example of the hoops people had to jump through when booking Hogan. In order to placate him, they needed a fake Ultimate Warrior (who is unintentionally hilarious in that charming WCW way), a complete ignoring of the stip, Ric Flair dressed like one of the New York Dolls, Jimmy Hart miraculously freeing himself from whatever captivity he was in with no explanation and who only seems to be at ringside so they can use him to get Hogan back on offense, the usual no-selling nonsense, Arn Anderson doing a masked run-in and getting tied and gagged in the course of 5 minutes, Flair hitting Hogan with a chair, only to then be dragged around the ring, allowing Hogan to win the match and then Randy Savage for some reason. The only dude who ends up looking anywhere decent in the course of this bullshit was Hogan but, my god, what a way to go about it. If Hogan was laying these things out himself at the expense of everyone else, he's a twisted genius Having said that, the opening moments are actually pretty fun. You have Hogan biting Vader, a few nice strap shots and some great stuff with Flair and Renegade as Flair is king-sized at selling complete fear of this absolute doofus. Vader is great at just ragdolling Hogan around with the strap, choking him and laying the shots in but that's honestly only about 4 minutes of a 20 minute stream of nonsense. This is probably worth a watch just for Flair being so goddamned incredible every time he encounters Renegade and Heenan cracking "I know he wears cheap clothes but this is ridiculous" when Jimmy Hart comes to the ring in rags.