shoe Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Just got home. Saw no thread. If you're watching toss your thoughts out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 ACH vs Adam Page NO DQ ACH is agressive to start. ACH having a nice shine to start, Page catches ACH doing that stupid run around the ring spot. Nice chair spot by ACH. Page with a belly to back suplex onto the ladder. The guys have used the stips. Sick finish. 2 3/4* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 4 Corner Survival Tag Addiction/reDragon/War Machine/Kingdom Rowe Samoa drops Kazarian/O'Reilly all by himself. War Machine is kicking ass. Their's a lot going on. Fish looks to be FIP, Rowe is a hot tag. Rowe is a great hot tag. It's breaking down. Big time dive sequence. Too many nearfalls to keep track of. This was good. They took their time set a base of the match. Then kicked it into high gear. 3 1/2* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Are there any War Machine matches I should go out of my way to check out? Not sure why but that's the one act in ROH that interests me the most as a guy who only really reads results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Are there any War Machine matches I should go out of my way to check out? Not sure why but that's the one act in ROH that interests me the most as a guy who only really reads results. I liked their matches with the Briscoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Lethal vs Strong These guys had a good match earlier this year on tv. Strong's had an incredible year. Lethal's work on top has been much more agressive than usual. He's taking his time and everything is really resonating. Roddy selling the leg and Lethal really going after it. Big chop exchange on the floor. Roddy with a slingshot suplex and really goes after the back. Roddy still selling the knee with a shakeout. Lethal not going after the leg is puzzling. As the match keeps on going, Lethal's work on top begins to slip. Gotta give Roddy credit for selling that crappy chinlock. Strong counters into his own. Letal's bumb into the barricade was sick. Love how Strong countered Lethal's dive. Strong does his own to take out the jabronies. Man I think they're going 60. These guys are working hard, but they're shot here. They're just not smart enough to build the drama without the athletic moves. This match is the perfect example of what's more important working smart or having athleticism. Both guys have spots that are over. They were able to let them carry them down the stretch. This is worked much different than a Bock, or Flair draw. Though I'll give these guys credit, I'll give ROH credit for booking it. Loss on twitter you asked what ROH could do to seperate themselves. Well this. 4 * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 I only saw the main event live and I loved it flaws and all. I do not care for Lethal as a worker at all, but if you are going to try and establish a new heel ace, and put Roddy over huge still, this was the way to do it. There were a lot of things about the match that fell flat, but Roddy Strong managing to keep me interested in a 60 minute draw (which I figured was going to be the result about 35 minutes in) with Jay Lethal in 2015 is a Herculean feet. He's officially vaulted over AJ into my number one slot for workers in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Same here Dylan. The 35 minute mark I'm like they're going an hour. Bravo to them. NXT you want to come to Texas and ruin the shows Will and I are going to. Bam ROH might book a match to go 60 without stupid Iron man stips. This is ROH where we wrestle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stomperspc Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 I was at the show and enjoyed it. Watanabe/Dijack was the dark match. Probably just coincidence but it was sort of amusing to me that Watanabe's match got announced a day after the WON reported that New Japan wasn't happy with how infrequently ROH had been booking him. Watanabe looked good. I still don't have a good hold on how he is going to look size wise as a New Japan heavyweight, but I think he'll fit into that particular style just fine. Ferrera/Silas Young was a fine opener. Silas didn't wrestle as flashy as he usually does. That was an improvement. Ferrera is a decent underdog wrestler and was good in this role. Moose was generally over as a face but there were some jeers as well. I thought Moose had another fine showing. When Alexander went for a springboard and slipped, Moose covered it up rather flawlessly. He immediately landed a solid knee strike than a big lariat which Cedric did a spin bump for. For a guy at his experience level, it was a remarkably smooth cover up. The match was decent/good but maybe went a couple minutes long. I enjoyed Romero/Barretta vs. The Briscoes with the same caveat above that it felt a few minutes too long. Lots of quick tags and good-looking double teams. Briscoes were over big which wasn't a surprise. I'm a big Rocky Romero fan. He's had a very underrated career in terms of exposure/pushes. Cole/Castle was another good/not great match. Castle's entire act was over with the crowd. Cole looks like he is inching closer to 100% health wise with every match he has. Castle's German Suplex is great. The Tate Twins are very good in their roles. I thought Page/ACH was bad but maybe I was starting to get burnt out. The weapon shots and bumps looked painful but everything else about the match didn't do it for me. It was one of those matches where it was clear they had the big spots planned out and everything surrounding the big spots was filler. Colby Corino took another suplex outside the ring which seems to be all that he really does. With how long this Whitmer/Corino build as been, I hope we get a major bloodbath out of the payoff. Four way was fine but unremarkable. reDRagon was the most over of the four teams. Addiction were over as heels, too. Fine for what it was. I wasn't a big fan of the main event. I don't think it was a bad match (more in the "above average/good" realm) and I totally understand the logic behind going 60-minutes. Pete's comment about Lethal and Strong substituting athleticism for a smarter/slower build was right on. That was the biggest problem I had. Besides for Strong slowing things down a couple of times within the first 15 minutes (which made think they were going to go longer than usual), they wrestled at their normal pace. That made the second half or even final 2/3's a little tedious, at least live. I was not a big fan of the "these guys are exhausted but keep going" story they were selling. I much prefer a 60-minute draw that has a slow build and had a hot finish. The way they worked the match, you knew they were going 60 about halfway in when they got past the first set of attempted near falls. So the rest of the way I felt like I was just watching them do stuff to fill the time while we counted down to the draw. What they did with that time was moderately entertaining but not enough to cover the inherent issue. This is the 3rd ROH 60-minute draw I've seen live (Daniels & Punk in Philly in 2005 during Punk's title reign and Joe vs. Danielson in Edison in 2006 during Danielson's title reign). I would put this one in the middle. Joe vs. Danielson was a major misfire. They telegraphed they were going 60 early, lost the crowd midway through, and didn't even muster a hot finish. Daniels & Punk also telegraphed it to an extent. I remember either Tom K. or Phil Schneider saying out loud about 15 minutes in that the match was probably going the distance so at least someone noticed it. That match got 15 or 20 minutes in and they hadn't done a lot, so that tipped you off that a long match was coming as opposed to Lethal/Strong where the giveaway was they got through the first set of legit 2-counts without the match ending and then did a reset. The Punk/Daniels match had much better pacing and a hotter ending then the other two matches as a result of that slower built. From a booking standpoint I think it was the right call. Strong has too much momentum and has been built up too much to kill off his title chase right now. Lethal couldn't lose in his first defense. As Pete said, going 60 in such an athletically impressive way definitely differentiates ROH from NXT for the time being and that's a good thing. I get why they did it and get why they wrestled the match the way they did, but it wasn't what I really want from a 60-minute match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Same here Dylan. The 35 minute mark I'm like they're going an hour. Bravo to them. NXT you want to come to Texas and ruin the shows Will and I are going to. Bam ROH might book a match to go 60 without stupid Iron man stips. This is ROH where we wrestle. I really couldn't survive a 60 minute Lethal match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted July 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 From a booking standpoint I think it was the right call. Strong has too much momentum and has been built up too much to kill off his title chase right now. Lethal couldn't lose in his first defense. As Pete said, going 60 in such an athletically impressive way definitely differentiates ROH from NXT for the time being and that's a good thing. I get why they did it and get why they wrestled the match the way they did, but it wasn't what I really want from a 60-minute match. Paul this really sums up my thoughts on the match. It was flawed, had plenty of issues. As a booking decision though it was gutsy, not safe, and well spot on and allowed to me to overlook the warts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 Same here Dylan. The 35 minute mark I'm like they're going an hour. Bravo to them. NXT you want to come to Texas and ruin the shows Will and I are going to. Bam ROH might book a match to go 60 without stupid Iron man stips. This is ROH where we wrestle. I really couldn't survive a 60 minute Lethal match. I didn't think I could either. But there I was in real time, totally buying in thanks to Roddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I finished watching the 1 st 4 matches and were entertaining in their own right . So the show gets a thumbs ui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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