Matt D Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 sid's one of the weirdest guys to me in the way he could keep organically getting over yet never sustain that when given a true main-event push How many real babyface main event pushes did Sid get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkdoc Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 eh, the sheamus hate isn't *that* hard to understand: his gimmick sucked until the last heel turn, and he was getting the roman reigns push for a while there. also his main in-ring strengths are the sorts of things most fans don't notice, so he doesn't have a great rep with them. matt: i guess '93 WCW was his window where he likely would've made it work. i think promoters always just assumed he was a more natural fit as a heel, though, so you got wacky things like not keeping him face after survivor series '96. and you would think as over as he was, he would keep getting cheers as a main-event heel yet that didn't happen? i wonder if part of the issue wasn't him having such weak/bland offense that made his character look silly, as that obviously gets exposed a lot more with him working heel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 I'm too old to hate people for not being good at fake fighting but my least favourite non-backyard wrestlers are Randy Orton and Hirooki Goto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judy Bagwell Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Dynamite Kid was there ever a nice thing said about the guy? a locker room bully and all round jerk according to most Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 eh, the sheamus hate isn't *that* hard to understand: his gimmick sucked until the last heel turn, and he was getting the roman reigns push for a while there. also his main in-ring strengths are the sorts of things most fans don't notice, so he doesn't have a great rep with them. matt: i guess '93 WCW was his window where he likely would've made it work. i think promoters always just assumed he was a more natural fit as a heel, though, so you got wacky things like not keeping him face after survivor series '96. and you would think as over as he was, he would keep getting cheers as a main-event heel yet that didn't happen? i wonder if part of the issue wasn't him having such weak/bland offense that made his character look silly, as that obviously gets exposed a lot more with him working heel. Think the issue with Sid is that he just isn't a babyface. Even as a babyface he always had that aura that he would turn heel at the drop of the hat. You can have monster babyfaces if they had a visually strong style of working...like Goldberg, whose moves looks like they would kill anyone. Sid has the chokeslam and the powerbomb but I can't even recall if Sid had any other moves beyond striking. I think the best utility of his character as a babyface is 911. And 911 isn't a main event act at all. Just my take on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 eh, the sheamus hate isn't *that* hard to understand: his gimmick sucked until the last heel turn, and he was getting the roman reigns push for a while there. also his main in-ring strengths are the sorts of things most fans don't notice, so he doesn't have a great rep with them. matt: i guess '93 WCW was his window where he likely would've made it work. i think promoters always just assumed he was a more natural fit as a heel, though, so you got wacky things like not keeping him face after survivor series '96. and you would think as over as he was, he would keep getting cheers as a main-event heel yet that didn't happen? i wonder if part of the issue wasn't him having such weak/bland offense that made his character look silly, as that obviously gets exposed a lot more with him working heel. Think the issue with Sid is that he just isn't a babyface. Even as a babyface he always had that aura that he would turn heel at the drop of the hat. You can have monster babyfaces if they had a visually strong style of working...like Goldberg, whose moves looks like they would kill anyone. Sid has the chokeslam and the powerbomb but I can't even recall if Sid had any other moves beyond striking. I think the best utility of his character as a babyface is 911. And 911 isn't a main event act at all. Just my take on it. I think I agree with what you are saying here, but there is one issue. He was terrible at everything that goes into being a babyface, except that the crowd cheered wildly for every little thing he did. He's one of the consistently worst wrestlers of all time, who always got a good reaction from the crowd. I know all the other guys in the locker room who actually spent time trying to be good, had to hate him. They're working their asses off doing everything they can to get over, and Sid walks out and people cheer him without doing a damn thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Doesn't help that Sid is always quick out the door in each company in each stint...whether it is for more money offered to him to jump or because he just had to go play softball. So you have a guy that is clearly ambivalent about pro wrestling who doesn't really have quite the passion most everyone else had but still getting to be very well paid and getting countless opportunities for pushes even though the companies should have known fairly early on what a flake he is. What Sid had, that most wrestlers didn't have, was an amazing presence and was highly charismatic (when he doesn't have to speak). That's stuff you just can't teach or learn really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judy Bagwell Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 he was handy with a mop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Sid has the chokeslam and the powerbomb but I can't even recall if Sid had any other moves beyond striking. When I was 10 I really liked Sid because he had some cool killer moves that he'd do on jobbers and completely kill them. Then I realised something wasn't quite right when he wouldn't even try those moves when he was wrestling Sting or Luger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkdoc Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 my lasting in-ring memory of sid is his godawful rear chinlock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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