Will Ospreay

[El McKell]

11 hours ago, David Mantell said:

On a general level Mason, Allmark, Breaks, Bryant and others including Robbie Dynamite (Berzins), Tony Spitfire, Jack Starz, Harry Sefton and Nino's younger brothers Xander and Leland have perpetuated the Traditional British style into the 21st century whereas Osprey and ZSJr are just two guys who fit the bill of what is deemed trendy by the US indie cognoscenti and who just so happen to b3 British.

Firstly, I will say I think you are absolutely correct that James Mason and Dean Allmark wrestle in a style that is a clear continuation of the British wrestling that came before them (no comment on the other wrestlers you've mentioned because I haven't seen them). And I think you're correct that Will Ospreay is a guy who epitomises what is  now the pervasive (almost homogenous) international wrestling style shaped by an amalgamation of Dragon Gate and 90s AJPW 00s ROH and 10s PWG. But Zack Sabre Jr does not fit that bill, Zack Sabre Jr works a style that nobody else works, he is not a continuation of the British wrestling style that came before him (although he takes some influence from it) but he also definitely does not fit the bill of anything that has ever been trendy on US indies.

And because this it the Ospreay thread, I do wanna say it may look like in the paragraph above that I think ZSJ is better than Ospreay. Or maybe just that I am saying Zack is better than Will in one specific way. But I am not saying that. I do not think it is any better to be the only one who does a particular thing, than to be the absolute best at something too many people do. And I don't doubt for a second that when it comes to that internationally pervasive wrestling style of the 2020s nobody does it better than Will Ospreay.

[David Mantell]

4 minutes ago, El McKell said:

Zack Sabre Jr ... is not a continuation of the British wrestling style

The salient point.

[David Mantell]

8 minutes ago, El McKell said:

no comment on the other wrestlers you've mentioned because I haven't seen them

I shall be posting separate matches involving both Tony Spitfire and Jack Starz to the British and German threads at the weekend and you can judge for yourself.  I have seen both live and saw Tony working as a ring announcer less than 2 months ago.
Nino and Jordan I have not seen in the flesh but have seen plenty of on Youtube, particularly on my Smart TV, to the point where they are regular current TV wrestlers in my life.

[highflyflow]

What’s the use of being the absolute best at a style that’s amongst the most aggravating in wrestling today?

[David Mantell]

23 minutes ago, highflyflow said:

What’s the use of being the absolute best at a style that’s amongst the most aggravating in wrestling today?

Which style are you referring to? 

Osprey's high flying stuff or Old School British Wrestling? 

If you mean the latter then grrr, frankly. 😄

(unless you're serious in which case you and I need to have a debate)

[highflyflow]

10 minutes ago, David Mantell said:

Which style are you referring to? 

Osprey's high flying stuff or Old School British Wrestling? 

If you mean the latter then grrr, frankly. 😄

(unless you're serious in which case you and I need to have a debate)

The former, I was directly quoting @El McKell's post. To be clear, I understand that plenty of people love this stuff, but I really don't have much use for a deeply flawed wrestler perpetuating a deeply flawed style and being considered the best of the bunch in one of the weaker decades for wrestling in recent memory.