Timbo Slice

Dear 2026, If you do nominations, make sure SUWA is nominated. Sincerely, The Moron Who Forgot To And Would Have Definitely Voted For Him

BONG!

Ah, fuck. Forgot Nak dropped already. Buzzkill.

Nakamura is gonna finish above Tanahashi. I'll take that. TAJIRI is gonna finish above Tanahashi, which fills my heart with joy.

Garvin was my 63, and now I want to see how high Valentine gets.

Like, if Samoa Joe seriously falls below Zayn in all this (regardless of placement), recency bias might be the biggest contributor to these rankings, even more than availability of footage.

What's pushing Zayn is that he's got an aesthetically pleasing style, his selling is dramatic as a perennial babyface, and he has enough high profile stuff that recency bias can make his best stuff in the last couple years in NXT really make his case for some people. I'm not buying it in the slightest, especially considering it's a snowball effect of indy stuff that, while good in some aspects, isn't nearly as good as Ki or Hero's best stuff, and really, not nearly as good as Cesaro's best stuff, either. He really seems like one of those likable guys that does cool stuff and fits that babyface archetype that nowadays is a true rarity.

If I'm ranking lists, Mando's might be #1 for me right now. That's fantastic

Not in a world where Angelo Poffo exists. Or CM Punk.

Tanahashi having a sustained period of highs (in his supporters eyes) as opposed to Nakamura having ups and downs does better in a majority. That being said, if you're a Tanahashi fan and think his best stuff is better than Nak's best, I would take pause.

Dandy is gonna place relatively high because there are people VERY high on him. The Lucha footage explosion probably helped him more than damn near anyone.

Nak and Parka finishing close makes sense to me.

There are a lot of guys in the top 150 or so that are highly ranked because if you really liked him, you placed him HIGH. Ikeda, Ishikawa, Chicana, and the guy who will probably have the highest ranking of those guys, Buddy Rose. They're all guys that rank extremely high if you're a fan of their work.

Chicana was someone I didn't really get until I saw the MS-1 match, then it was like a train hit me. Might be the best Lucha brawler I've ever seen, and as far as fired up baby faces go, Parv would go crazy about him.

I see Parka and Nakamura as very similar guys in the sense that in a big match atmosphere, they can absolutely kill it to the point where you wonder why they don't do it every night. Both are incredibly charismatic too. Wondering now how high Nak will go mainly because he has worked New Japan.

Benoit killed his wife and children due to massive brain trauma that accumulated over years and years. He wasn't some asshole that just suddenly decided to commit murder. He had a major bout of depression after Eddy died, had holes in his memory, and it's generally assumed that he wasn't of his right mind leading up to the incident. It was sudden, it was terrible, it was unforgivable. Yet it's not black and white because of what was going on in his head leading up to it. My official stance is that he decided to go about the way he worked and didn't think about the consequences correctly, but then you add in what that can do to brain chemistry, then add in Eddy's death, and really, you're getting into an area that even if you make a decision in favor or against it, you can talk yourself out of being hard on him murdering someone. I can't, but people cope with stuff differently.

That's a whole lotta joshi wrestlers falling off. Damn.

So I'm going to have 80 guys in the Top 100 on my list. Benoit making the list is a bit troubling for me, to be honest.

OJ just became my spirit animal.

Once again, someone comes through and explains my points better than I could, with Parties and Jimmy doing that task this time.

Then that is a mistake on my part. I can own up to that.

So then what's the argument really about? You not liking someone's opinions because they don't match your own? You thinking the evidence they bring to the table is bunk? What do you think is at stake, anyways? Those questions are all something everyone had to think about, and everybody came up with unique lists. You seem to be arguing both for the discourse and for your methods to be held above all else, which is quite the juxtaposition and only leads to strawman arguments. The evidence you are citing are formed on opinions you've created for yourself. Just like anyone else has in this entire project. Yet you're also suggesting that there is the One True Way To Evaluate Wrestlinf with BIGLAV, an arbitrary system based on the evidence YOU think is vital to what makes a good wrestler and something you presented in a way that was above the processes of others. Your need for burden of proof is much different than others and rightfully so, to be honest. The arguments that have been presented definitely boil down to what I'm talking about in the long run and if you skip through all the arguments, we all just end up shrugging out shoulders, but you've presented your opinions in a way that can belittle how others constructed their lists. My point is that there is no one right way to construct the list, and that everybody's basis for how they made it is just as important as anyone's.

I'm at 82 for the Top 110. My point about the whole objectivity/subjectivity matter isn't to limit the discourse at all. My point is that everyone's opinions matter, and regardless of how much people have dove into wrestling and have their views on what makes it good or not, that they have a say in it. The goal is for the list to be representative of the majority, not of the minority who happen to have the most abrasive opinions. People who have lurked here have come out and given their opinions on why they've made their decisions and I'm way more in favor of that than possibly any other part of the process. The more people who feel good about voicing their opinions on the project, the better. Gives us more information to think about when it comes to how people enjoy wrestling.

Seems to me if you insist that "anything goes", if you dispense with the categories of evidence and burden of proof, if you dispense with any sense of a shared criteria, there isn't much left to say but "hey this was my pick, tell me yours." Even with criteria, people would see it in different ways. Still trying to squeeze objectivity out of a subjective medium. Child's last point is spot on.

Really surprised Chigusa went above Jaguar considering if you watched 80's joshi at all, Jaguar was such a standout. Chigusa was definitely good, but Jaguar was a cut above in a lot of ways. I'm out of the running for most in the Top 100, I feel.