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[1996-12-02-WCW-Nitro] Interview: Ric Flair & Roddy Piper
Loss replied to Loss's topic in December 1996
I'll just say Bret's promo style is a lost art. He wasn't colorful and he sometimes stumbled. In the traditional sense, I wouldn't consider him a great promo. But he was an overwhelmingly effective promo because there was a sincerity to what he said. It always amazed me that he could get great heat for terrible lines (like repeatedly calling Sid "Ya big dummy ..."), but I think that's because Bret felt truthful. Bret in WCW didn't work because they didn't understand that. Most of the WCW guys were big names in the sense that you put them against other big names and it's easy to build a match. Bret wasn't that simple. If he was placed in an environment that didn't make sense, he wasn't effective. If he was put in an angle with no thought put into it, he wasn't effective. In some ways, the story of Bret is him rising above what he was given, and there's kind of a vague charisma about him where he has always been able to get big fan support despite not being all that colorful. But at the same time, Bret's not the type that I think a booker could just throw out there against another guy with name value and expect people to care.- 12 replies
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[1996-12-08-AJW-Real Earnest] Manami Toyota vs Kyoko Inoue
Loss replied to Loss's topic in December 1996
I'm with John on this one. It's not a best of as much as it is a representation of. I am going to go out of my way to watch every title match from all the major promotions moving forward, and if the match is long and terrible, then maybe it'll be clipped to the finish, but I agree that they should be represented. Choshu has some interesting matches in '92 also. Against Muto, against Chono, against Norton. I think my philosophy has shifted a little since we started. I'd rather see a solid *** match that's a title defense that paints the picture of what Choshu was like in '92 more than a **** match with guys who already have plenty of representation on the set. Don't get me wrong, you want those matches, but if Liger, for example, had several matches against the same opponent in a calendar year, even if they're all at the ****+ level, if they're similar and don't really build to anything, then I'd rather lose one if it means something else can go on in its place. For example, there's a Hansen triple crown defense against Kawada in '92 that got ***1/2 in the WON. If I had to choose, I'd rather see that than a six-man that may have been ranked higher if there are already plenty of six-mans on the set. It's inevitable that not everything will make a yearbook, just like not everyone in a high school has their picture in the yearbook. But there's a balancing act that can be achieved for sure.- 15 replies
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[1996-12-02-WCW-Nitro] Interview: Ric Flair & Roddy Piper
Loss replied to Loss's topic in December 1996
He did. He also had some really awful interviews during this time. One thing that I think will become apparent watching the '93 yearbook is that Flair can range from okay to actively bad as a promo when he doesn't have anything to talk about. I guess you could say that for quite a few people if you want, but Flair got an ungodly amount of TV time in '93 and did well when he was building to a match, but not when he was just put out there to kill time. I also occasionally hear people say Flair could do color commentary. NO NO NO. His strong point as a talker is doing emotional interviews that are focused on something specific. He's not a Jericho type who is amazing every time he does color commentary. You can say the same for '97, which I might call the worst year of Flair's career. He didn't look good in the ring, he had a handful of good interviews but not too many ... and it really took the Bret Hart match for him to regain some of what he lost, and even then, while Flair did some good interviews to build that match and it popped a number, Flair in '96 would have done much better promos and the match would have meant more. The Flair/Syxx feud could have been a good one for Ric had he embraced it, as Waltman was a huge fan of his growing up and appeared to be overly motivated and beyond ecstatic anytime he had the opportunity to sell for him. But Flair was so focused on feuding with bigger names that it was a lost opportunity to revitalize himself before building to a last big run on top. (Then again, Flair has had more "last big runs" than anyone.)- 12 replies
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