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I think they're trying to avoid losing money on the house, which I can understand, but the building can't be expensive to lease out anyway, and they're probably already going to break fire codes and God knows what else just to sell out the place. They'd make a profit if they sold ringside tickets for even $50.

Can you do Battle of the Sexes from Armageddon '03? Jericho/Christian v Lita/Trish.

You assume correctly. In the late 70s and early 80s, Slaughter was as a big a star as anyone in the country, and was one of the best workers in the world. 1985 was his last really good year in the ring, and the Hogan run came years and years after the mystique of a Hulk Hogan/Sgt. Slaughter match would have done huge business.

Bad News Brown Like MiB, I just don't feel comfortable voting for Slaughter anymore. He's already made it further in this tournament than he really should have and while he got huge heat during the Gulf War era, he did it in a way that turned off a lot of fans and created big controversy, and there are some fun matches in that time, but I don't know that there are any good matches during that time. That's really the only thing he has to his advantage during a time when he was active as a worker. Brown never got a chance at that level, and I think he would have succeeded had he, just because his character was so ahead of its time and he was protected by not having anyone else act as such a lone wolf while he was doing it. The Piper feud isn't one of my favorites, and neither is the Jake feud, but I love his feud with Bret and his SNME matches against Hogan and Savage. Slaughter is by far the bigger star, in any era, but I'm going with Brown for sentimental reasons.

Undertaker I'm really interested in seeing just how far 'Taker goes in this tournament and how he matches up against specific people, because while he has never been put in a position to carry the company, he had been a headliner for 14 years, which is a longer consecutive run than just about anyone, and while he isn't a major draw, he is a draw to a degree, and he's been a part of some of the biggest angles and matches of the past 15 years. It's easy to sour on him when he's in our face all the time, but the guy was a star in the latter days of the Hogan era, stayed one through the New Generation, reinvented himself and stayed fresh during the Attitude era and has become a better worker in the past 10 years than he was in the previous five, as even today he busts his ass and you never know when he might surprise you. No one else on this list has the longevity he has as a headliner, and I don't think he'll win, but I'm curious as to how it plays out because we'll see what's more important to the voters -- longevity or huge peaks.

Rey Misterio Jr Christian has had a longer run, but the idea that Rey isn't as good now as he used to be isn't one I really agree with all that much, as his match with Chavo at the '04 Bash was better than 95% of his work in WCW, he had a great match with Eddy on Smackdown last year, and he's been positioned as a draw for about 12 months now, and he and Eddy, along with Cena, have been the only thing keeping their brand afloat. If the belt was put on him, it would draw money, because he brings in fans -- sports fans typically love him because he's so athletic, casual fans love him because he's so unique and he sells merchandise out the wazoo right now and his quarter hour ratings are very high. I tend to think that if they're patient with Christian's upcoming main event push against John Cena that it will work out very well, but Christian is not the worker Rey is; his peaks in the company, while they are there, aren't as high as Rey's peaks; and he's never been put in a position to lure in new fans. He has had really good tag runs with both Edge and Chris Jericho, but he's spent so much time floundering and only just now does he seem to be moving toward reaching his potential. If we did this tournament again in five years, it would probably be closer than it already is, because I consider both among the next wave of top stars.

Marty Jannetty This is closer than you think, as while Diesel bombed as champion, he became a good draw for six months *after* losing the belt. He was a bad idea for champion, but Jannetty would have been a bad idea for champion as well. That said, he has the Michaels series in '93, the Brainbusters feud, his short-lived tag team with the 1-2-3 Kid was that incredibly great and should have lasted longer, and good matches against the Hart Foundation, LOD, Demolition, Orient Express and even Haku & The Barbarian. His comeback may strengthen his case even more. Diesel had matches with Bret and Shawn, and the Action Zone tag, but most of the rest of his career was a hindrance to the company rather than a help. I still think, like Bret Hart, that had they built him up more before putting the belt on him and not changed him so much after doing so that he would have drawn money.

Owen Hart I think I'd pick Owen here regardless of the time frame, just because I love the Bret feud so much, but if there was no limit on the time frame, this would be a very tough decision. Owen also had good matches with Michaels, Austin, Vader, 1-2-3 Kid, HHH and Davey Boy.

Razor Ramon Involved in three of my ten favorite matches in company history, a bigger singles star, a long run as the company's top midcarder and occasional flirtations with the main event.

Chris Jericho The battle of the could've-beens, and probably the two biggest missed opportunities WWE has had in the past five years. That said, they gave Jericho a little more than Van Dam, Jericho is more consistent, Jericho is a bigger star, Jericho is better on the mic, Jericho is better in the ring and Jericho has the better attitude.

Mr. Perfect MiB summed it up nicely. Warrior was a superstar for a very short period of time, while Hennig was a star for a longer period of time. I'll take consistently over a really hard crash and burn any day of the week.

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American Dragon v Donovan Morgan - ROH Honor Invades Boston I think Donovan is a little confused about his role at times, as he's supposed to be the heel aligned with Christopher Daniels, but he starts clapping and rallying the crowd at one point. Besides that, this is a really nice match with all sorts of stuff I've never seen in a US ring. Morgan wins the test of strength early on, which is a good way to establish roles and put sympathy on Danielson, but I don't know if it worked with this crowd. Dragon outwrestles him in the early stages and gets a very close two-count, and the look on Dragon's face when this happens in priceless. He goes to work on the arm, but here's the kicker -- he starts bending his hand back and switches his focus to Morgan's hand, doing all sorts of cool things to destroy it. His dropkicks look awesome, as does his fireman's carry, and before long, it's Donovan reaching the ropes. Early on, there's a battle of forearms won by Morgan, but as the match progresses, the tide seems to swing in Danielson's favor, as he wins the same battle later in the match. Dragon also takes some great bumps outside the ring into the guardrail, and in a very cool spot, Morgan picks up a chair, which pops the crowd, only to put the chair down and tell the crowd where to stick it. They also work a double TKO, which is suitable for the applauding atmosphere in ROH, and it happens where it should in the match. Dragon still has more moves at his disposal, like the uranage, enzuigiri, Northern lights suplex and a victory roll, which doesn't quite finish the job. Morgan briefly teases coming back strong with an overhead belly-to-belly suplex, but it's not enough to turn the tide, and he later has the cattle mutilation locked in when the bell rings, giving us a time-limit draw. There were some good ideas on display here that they both deserve credit for, moreso Danielson, in terms of manipulating the crowd in the direction they want them to go, but they don't quite come to total fruition. Still, this is a cool match, and the post-match angle shows that Danielson can also talk! This serves well to get both guys over, as Dragon was the one who had the match won, and Morgan walks out of the match as a bonafide heel. ***1/4

Low Ki v Red - ROH Road To The Title I like the intent behind Red sneaking in a punch to Ki's face off of a handshake, but if you're going to do that, make sure you throw a good punch. That said, the opening sequence rocks. You know you're seeing something that looks pretty fucking unbelievable when you repeatedly check your DVD, because you think somehow you're watching in fast forward. The announcers say it looks like something out of the Matrix, and they're absolutely right. Low Ki is the only ROH guy so far that has a true aura -- he doesn't seem like a guy you'd know on the street, but rather like a star, which is a breath of fresh air in an indy. Sadly, the good stops there, as the rest of the match is too much back-and-forth action and obvious cooperation, with Ki actually pushing Red back on his shoulders at one point when Red starts to slip out of a victory roll. We see a whole lotta moves, but no match really takes place, because there's too little struggle and spirit. Worth seeing for whatever the Hell that was they did in the opening minute, though.