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  1. Oh, and on an international scale, I marked hard when Mayumi Ozaki got the winning fall for her team at Thunderqueen.
  2. Wow. Daivari is awfully young to even think about trying Benoit's training regimen. I've heard of Benoit eating guys alive in the gym on many occasions. He probably has a more strenuous routine than anyone in the US, aside from maybe Rob Van Dam. Actually, I take that back. RVD is probably second, but it's not even close.
  3. I think the sort of thing that makes performing worthwhile for the wrestlers, aside from the money, is the ability get inside the heads of a wide audience and connect with them. It's not important if they're loved or hated, but rather that they're finding a way to connect with you on a one-on-one basis. These are the moments that when you think about your time watching wrestling, you look back on them and they have a special place in your memories. For me, it has to be Ric Flair's return to WCW on September 14, 1998, on Nitro. I bring this up because the other thread sort of morphed into this and I wanted to make a topic for this. Flair had been sidelined for months, and his own company was doing everything in their power to destroy him. Fans had been chanting for him strongly for months, and Flair's return saw him so moved he was actually in tears and the reception he got from the Greenville crowd is almost unlike anything I've ever experienced watching wrestling. I think this is my absolute favorite moment as a fan. The guy who was my favorite wrestler for over a decade had spent so much of his career doing everything to make people hate him, and Flair was always so much more comfortable playing the heel. Those close to him say it's because reactions like this embarrass him and he can't focus. It's easily the best moment in Nitro history, and possibly the best moment for me in wrestling history. What would your *moments* be?
  4. Flair ... God ... that interview. I'm getting chills just thinking about it. That's probably my greatest moment as a fan, honestly. The reaction from the crowd and the interview he did ... we haven't had a moment like that in wrestling since.
  5. Ha! I guess I wasn't feeling it. I don't have the same connection to HBK that I do to Flair and Benoit though.
  6. As can I. As far as pure emotional moments go, Flair returning to WCW after the lawsuit in '98, the Savage/Warrior angle and Benoit winning the title in WWE are probably all at the very top of the list, because all got a pretty strong reaction out of me.
  7. WP said it well. There are no storylines anymore that really connect with people on a personal level.
  8. And Molly did say that only Vince knew the real reason she requested out and that for the time being, she intended to keep it that way.
  9. WWE is often damned if they do and damned if they don't. I could see it now. "Morale was low on the recent International tour as management took the open bar away from the wrestlers and encouraged them not to drink. The feeling was that they're away from their families for long periods of time and that they aren't being given a viable way to have fun and stay relaxed with management breathing over them at all times." You know that's what would be reported.
  10. I'm not even sure, since I got it so long ago. It's in nearly perfect VQ except for a horrible tracking line at the top of the screen for most of it. Not all of it, but most of it.
  11. Man, Cawthon's site *rocks*! There's no other way I would have possibly known dates on these. Terry Funk v Junkyard Dog - 08/18/85 This match is slow and awkward at times, but Funk is doing everything he can to create movement, which gets big points from me, and even the smallest things (well, all they have is the small things, really) are sold enormously, with Funk taking a bump over the top rope and out of the ring four separate times. He attacks JYD at the opening bell and chokes him with his own dog collar before being shown the door, er, floor for the first time, and of course, we get that great Terry Funk Drunken Selling. JYD works over Funk's back, since he's fallen on it so many times, with a bearhug, which Funk gets out of with a headlock and a punch. It's quite amazing the heat they're getting here for doing so little. Funk's triple shot of elbow drops are great fun as well, as is his interplay with those at ringside, as he gets in a near-brawl with a fan while trying to take the fan's chair. Headbutts aren't going to work on JYD, because black wrestlers have hard heads, I guess. That was always the story they sold with black guys and Samoans, for whatever reason. Subtle racism? You decide. Anyway, JYD eventually rallies back and chokes him in a revenge spot, and then adds in some comedy by headbutting the Funker in the ass and following that up with an atomic drop. It's only funny because of Terry's body language, but Terry ends up falling outside and crashing through the timekeeper's table! In 1985! In the WWF! The match ends in a double countout, and the last thing we see is Funk bumping on the ramp repeatedly and begging off before begging too far and inadvertently falling off the elevated ramp. This was almost a good match, and would have been had JYD been able to pick up the pace even a little. If this is any indication, Terry is the master of carrying slugs. Hart Foundation v Lanny Poffo & Rick McGraw - 08/20/85 The Harts aren't too fond of Poffo's poetry, which prompts a brawl from the onset. This is a decent little five-minute match that sees Leaping Lanny (who I'm figuring out is probably the most overlooked wrestler of the 80s) act as the face in peril, with lots of Hart cheating behind the ref's back. McGraw gets the hot tag and cleans house with some dropkicks, but eventually falls prey to a Hart Attack after Bret makes a blind tag to Neidhart. Why are there so few blind tags these days? It used to be a staple. Anyway, this isn't a waste of time, even if it's nothing new. Ricky Steamboat v Mr. Fuji - Kung Fu Match - 01/12/86 Everybody was kung fu fighting in this match, but Fuji's kicks aren't exactly fast as lightning. Steamboat is a little bit frightening, however, going crazy on him like Ann Wilson on Dreamboat Annie (could this be any worse in terms of dated references?). Fuji gets offense, which surprises me, considering that Steamboat is the star. They do a fine job getting over the karate stuff, and Fuji, unsurprisingly, works a VULCAN NERVE GRIP to lead to Steamboat's comeback. A flying bodypress gets a nearfall, believe it or not, before Steamboat schoolboys Fuji out of a belly-to-back suplex attempt and gets the pin. This isn't something I'd show my children or anything, but it's fun seeing what Steamboat can do with a guy who has pretty much nothing to offer at this point in time, if he in fact ever did. Ricky Steamboat v Don Muraco - 08/18/85 Muraco is living on a prayer at this point, but at least he doesn't give love a bad name. You start to think this match will never say goodbye, but it eventually goes down in a blaze of glory as its obvious Steamboat is pissed and Fuji and Muraco are wanted ... dead or alive. Sarcasm out of the way, this is actually a good match, just because Steamboat could wrestle a bottle of Evian and he'd still sell it's refreshing taste compared to that of tap water. I'm assuming this is either no DQ, or the referee's being the total opposite of stringent, because he's whipping him with his belt -- not a leather belt, but a cloth one. It's not quite as bad as Kevin Nash destroying Randy Savage with a Slim Jim in 1996, but it's close enough. Steamboat has some really nice variety in his kicks, and totally dominates the first half of this or so with his flying karate chops, jumping fistdrops and a swinging neckbreaker, eventually using a neck vice as the match continues. The referee tries to restrain him from killing Muraco, so Steamboat decides to leapfrog over the ref and chop Muraco anyway, to a huge pop. Muraco, despite being past his peak, can still sell, as he does the Hulk Hogan leg quiver off of Steamboat's vertical suplex. Fuji interferes behind the ref's back, which gives Don a small opening to headbutt Ricky in the groin and post his shoulder. I'm all for heels bending the rules and cheating, but it's usually a nice idea for the heel to have *some* offense that doesn't revolve around that. Offense wouldn't be an issue soon enough, though, as Steamboat reverses a tombstone piledriver by kicking both sides of Muraco's face. Eventually, "The Dragon" would win by DQ when Fuji threw powder in his eyes, but the way they got there was fun enough, even if the match doesn't exactly look modern. *** Hulk Hogan v Tiger Chung Lee - 08/06/85 Even if you haven't seen this match, you really have, as it's just Hogan's big boot and legdrop after some early overpowering, only it's missing the heel domination in the middle. I've already said more about this than it deserves, considering it only goes three minutes. Adrian Adonis v Lanny Poffo - 12/29/85 Well, this was fun. This match had more wrestling than you saw in WWF rings around this time, and starts out really fun with Poffo repeatedly taking Adonis to the match with a headlock, which Adonis would reverse to a headscissors. They do it three times before Adonis realizes it isn't going to work and switches his focus to Poffo's arm, and does a few cool spots, including reversing the cross armbreaker into a hammerlock. That doesn't work in the long run either, as the story remains intact of Poffo beating Adonis at his own game every step of the way, as Poffo now decides to work over Adrian's arm himself. There's one thing virtuous babyface Lanny Poffo won't do, and that's cheat, and that's what finally creates an opening for Adonis, as he pulls Lanny's hair to get out of the armbar. They work a fun enough abdominal stretch sequence, and Adonis takes the Shawn Michaels bump in the corner (which is impressive considering his weight gain at this point) before coming back and finishing off Poffo with a DDT. Fun match; I wish they would have had more. British Bulldogs v Greg Valentine & Brutus Beefcake - 02/09/86 Dynamite Kid was so advanced for this time period, and between that, Davey Boy not being shabby himself, Greg Valentine knowing a thing or two about wrestling and Brutus Beefcake being willing to sell, this match wasn't half bad, but it's cut off before it really gets going, probably to tease what the match would be like at Wrestlemania without giving it away. Johnny Valiant pushes Kid off the ropes for a DQ, and just like that, the match is over. Too bad.
  12. Nice to see the Carters turning around. I hope they get their way and the belt goes back to Styles, which is where it needs to be anyway.
  13. If I'm not mistaken, Funaki is a good friend of Austin, Michaels and HHH, or has been at one point or another. Taka was the same way, which is why he survived so many cuts. He is only in Japan now because he requested to be released.
  14. Matt will do very well on the indy scene, and this doesn't surprise me. All the publicity has probably been good for him, and he'll probably increase the house in most places he wrestles. He'll also be bigger than most of his opponents and has more name value, so he'll stand the chance of standing out more. I see him having a career similar to that of Raven, but since he's younger, he'll probably be able to sustain it even longer.
  15. I wonder if some of that is a work to attempt to get over his heel turn.
  16. No, Taka. That's why I said "stuck". I believe that's the case with Funaki as well.
  17. Maybe he likes living in America? That's why Taka stuck around so long. He fell in love with the country, and was willing to take a lesser role to live here.
  18. Yeah, and I think they're trained to expect matches to go a little longer, so they are watching the build closely to see where it goes from there. I'll repeat, though, that the heat for most of the AJW I've seen rivals anything from Mid South or Mid Atlantic.
  19. That said, I'm still looking forward to seeing Bryan Danielson grow as a worker, seeing the title reign of Samoa Joe, seeing guys like CM Punk challenge him, and seeing Danielson/Homicide go 75 minutes.
  20. Oh, I already have. I love how they say that other promotions will tell you that every match on their show is a match of the year candidate, and they're exaggerating, but every match on the show in Ring Of Honor *is* a match of the year candidate.
  21. Well, even now, I have no problem accepting Bryan Danielson as the new wrestling Jesus, so I'm sure if he's around, things will always be at a point where I can like something. I haven't even really seen him near his best yet, and I still think he's a great worker.
  22. Do the announcers eventually learn the names of moves? That would be helpful.
  23. The next three months should be interesting, especially if HHH takes time off to nurse his neck. With Edge and Christian both being positioned for main event pushes, the draft coming up, Brian Gewertz being on vacation, Eddy getting the spotlight and a heel turn, Jericho working toward a heel turn, Shelton Benjamin climbing the ladder and Benoit looking strong again (if they build off of Monday's RAW), we could be in for a hell of a ride this summer. I also predict that SD is about to see a major surge in business while RAW mainly stays level, which is going to surprise a lot of key people.
  24. I didn't even notice that, but you're absolutely right. Very cool.
  25. Has their involvement been confirmed? I'd assume that they will absolutely be part of it, but I haven't heard Jericho or Eddy mentioned.
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