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Stevie Ray comes out to badmouth the Four Horsemen. We see Doug Dillinger purposely turn a blind eye so the Horsemen can go to the ring and Stevie gets blindsided with a tire iron by Arn. Arn says WCW belongs to the Horsemen and starting tonight, they take the company back. Malenko should look at Arn when he's talking to him, and he is visibly nervous getting this much time to talk. Flair is a little over the top in this segment, but he's still the most interesting guy in WCW immediately upon returning.
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[1998-09-21-WWF-Raw] Mankind vs Ken Shamrock vs The Rock
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Mankind's nonsensical promo before the match is so great. Really fun match with a hot crowd to hype Breakdown when these three have a cage match. I'm not sure why Cornette and Shane are the ones doing commentary. Undertaker and Kane show up at ringside near the end and start taking the guys out one by one. Finally, Rock is left alone with Undertaker and Kane and tries to fight both before getting beaten down. Vince is happily watching on and Austin takes the opportunity to attack Vince from behind while Undertaker and Kane are distracted. -
This is here for Dustin's commentary putting over the feud. The announcers are on Dustin's case for turning the other cheek. Dustin waits for Val to be at a disadvantage before running in, but Val gets the better of the exchange and ties him in the ropes while taunting him. The babyface Val Venis. There's a new video called There's Something About Terri that's more of the same, although this time Val is going downtown.
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[1998-09-21-WCW-Nitro] More Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior
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Hogan calls Warrior out for the third time in the evening. Warrior comes out but Disciple stands beside him in an OWN vest. If it's a One Warrior Nation, doesn't that mean there aren't any other members?- 3 replies
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Bischoff is out with Liz to gloat about building WCW into the largest and most successful wrestling organization in the world. He's going to do the same thing when he travels to Japan tomorrow. It's no longer the company it was when the Four Horsemen were around. He's keeping Ric Flair out of the ring and he's doing it for his own good - Flair will never wrestle again, Arn will never wrestle again and the Four Horsemen are history. This brings out Flair and the Horsemen. Security stops them from entering the ring as Tony gives some nice history about Flair and Doug Dillinger. After some brief dialogue, Dillinger stepped aside and allowed Flair to enter the ring. Flair is still getting the hero's welcome. Flair says a line about Arn rolling Eric up, smoking him and stepping on him like a roach where I couldn't make a few words. He tells Bischoff to SUCK IT for saying he couldn't watch his son wrestle. Flair admits he didn't save his money, but he made his money by going down the highway every night and being the best he could be. He name drops some guys that built WCW and says Bischoff is simply living off the top of it. He even adds that he was selling out the world when Bischoff was in a bathroom buying his first condom! Flair gets in some great lines about Hogan too. Flair is tremendous here and you can tell he means every word he says, and I like this for the subtext of old NWA vs WCW. This was fascinating, and there's no need to overcomplicate it. Reality makes the best storyline here.
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[1998-09-21-WCW-Nitro] Raven & Kanyon vs Villano IV & Villano V
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Infamous match where Raven drops Villano IV on his head and the match comes to a standstill. Nick Patrick rings the bell. Villano V runs in to kill some time. Was Raven impaired? Bill Watts would have yelled at him for showing concern. I don't know what it says that this has happened twice within a few months in 1998.- 7 replies
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[1998-09-21-WCW-Nitro] Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior
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Later in the show, he's back out pissed off because one segment devoted to this feud isn't enough. Hogan wants Warrior to face him head on. He tells Warrior to follow him and the NWO chases him away. The crowd rightfully shits on this. The end up going to the back and finding OWN painted on Hogan's dressing room wall on fire. The Disciple is in the bathroom laid out. Smoke comes out of nowhere when he tries to see what's going on and of course when the smoke clears, Disciple is gone yet again. Thrilling. This is the kind of crap angles people do when they can't work.- 6 replies
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[1998-09-21-WCW-Nitro] Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior
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A still unconscious Disciple appears in a cloud of smoke in the middle of the ring. This brings out Hogan and his NWO cohorts. Just as they enter the ring, it fills with smoke again and now he's gone. Warrior finally cuts a promo from elsewhere in the building. Hogan says "Give me my Disciple back" and makes me laugh. He finally talks about something other than nonsense as Hogan tells Warrior to get to the ring so they can finish off what they started eight years ago. Warrior rambles on in response instead of taking him up on that.- 6 replies
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[1998-09-21-RINGS] Kiyoshi Tamura vs Yoshihisa Yammamoto
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Another incredible RINGS match, second only to Tamura-Kohsaka for the year for me. This is a distillation of everything great about RINGS, as they go from a mat game to strikes to footwork. The last few minutes are quite dramatic, like the best of boxing drama and pro wrestling drama combined. There were some amazing false finishes at the end of this, especially when Yammamoto scrambled to get to his feet at the 9-count TWICE. This leads to a desperate flurry of palm strikes that take Tamura off of his feet and also make this anybody's game. Tamura wins the match, but it was a hard fought one. Yammamoto has quietly had a great year in the shadow of Tamura and Kohsaka, with both this and the Maeda match being very impressive. This is as good as just about anything all year.- 7 replies
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[1998-09-21-RINGS] Tsuyoshi Kohsaka vs Mikhail Ilioukhine
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This was labeled as Christopher Haseman vs Wataru Sakata on the disc, which it is not, but this is a promising matchup all the same, so I'll take it. This turned out to be a great match. Tabe thinks this is probably a shoot. Does anyone know for sure?- 6 replies
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[1998-09-20-WWF-Sunday Night Heat] How Terri got her groove back
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Val Venis is out to confront Dustin again. He has another film to reveal to Dustin, this time called How Terri Got Her Groove Back. Val Venis got progressively less over the more angles he was booked in, and Venis being portrayed as the babyface in this is ridiculous. -
Shane hypes this weekend's ECW Arena show. He promises to return to the ring this weekend.
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Hales calls Stacy out and pulls out the Enquirer where we see that Lawler injured Jim Carrey during Man on the Moon filming. He blames Stacy for Lawler's state of mind lately. He even shows a picture of Lawler with his ex-wife Paula and says this is how things should be. Brandon Baxter comes to her defense and ends up getting physical with Hales, with Stacy getting struck in the fracas. Lawler comes out to escort her away from all of this.
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Neither were close.
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This is a huge match to put on Nitro. Why in the world wouldn't they main event a pay-per-view with this? This was excellent. This may be the best Sting performance ever - not match, but performance where he's the one carrying things and directing traffic. The heat for this is completely out of this world. This is Clash of the Titans-style wrestling I'm not used to seeing from Sting. Crap finish with Hogan interfering behind the referee's back, but this was another money match that didn't really happen at a time when they could have gotten something great out of it. Fun fact: WCW would only win the ratings war one more time, and that would be after Havoc when they were forced to replay the Goldberg-DDP match for free.
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Everyone knows about this, probably the best segment in Nitro history. I think the Ric Flair pop is in contention for the loudest in wrestling history. Flair is so into the moment that he bites his tongue and draws blood. Moments like this just don't exist in wrestling anymore, and I don't even mean that as a huge negative. I simply don't know that they are possible.
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Hall is pretending to be (or pretending to pretend to be) drunk and is falling down in the ring a lot. Luger tries to slap some sense into him. Bischoff comes out to try to get Hall out of the ring and reason with him. Nash and Konnan too. Hall starts in on Nash ("Where were you when my life was falling apart?") Hall ends up throwing up on Bischoff. Hall was such a mess at this point that they started using it in the storyline. I don't know what I think about this.
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[1998-09-14-WCW-Nitro] Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior
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Jim Neidhart is supposed to be facing one of the NWO guys when Warrior appears in the middle of the ring with The Disciple unconscious. Hogan and company surround the ring while Warrior accepts the challenge to face Hogan at Havoc. Just when the NWO rushes the ring, he disappears again in a cloud of smoke. So stupid.- 3 replies
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[1998-09-14-WCW-Nitro] Billy Kidman vs Juventud Guerrera
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Kidman is fresh off of leaving The Flock and wins the cruiserweight title from Juventud in a very good match. Juventud can be inconsistent, but this was a night where he was hitting everything clean and made Kidman look like a million bucks. I love how into the nearfalls the crowd got when they weren't really predisposed to react to it that much. Electric reaction for Kidman's win that rivals any reaction anyone has gotten in WCW all year outside of Goldberg and the reaction to a certain return later in the evening. After the match, Gene tries to get the scoop on Flair's return and JJ won't talk.- 6 replies
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The Flock is in the ring with Saturn while Raven is in the crowd instructing them to come back to him. Saturn appeals to each Flock member separately. Kidman should have waited to change his look after leaving The Flock. One-by-one, they make the decision to walk out on Raven. Cool to see a heel act that has run its course actually end when it should so that everyone can go do something fresh.
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Last few minutes. The WWF is relentlessly attempting to create new stars, with Shamrock, Foley and Rock all getting closer to the main event mix. Crowd is hot for this. Undertaker and Kane show up and go after both guys. Shamrock gets chokeslammed, leaving Austin on his own. Rock and Mankind make the save while Vince looks on befuddled. Interesting how the WWF pushing every guy that's even remotely hot is good for keeping the momentum going.
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Dustin continues proselytizing to WWF fans before getting interrupted by Val Venis. Val is out to introduce Dustin to his new film called "The Preacher's Wife", co-starring Terri Runnels! Val tells Dustin getting on knees must run in the family to close things out.
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[1998-09-14-Beyond the Mat] Michael Modest and Tony Jones WWF tryout
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Footage from Beyond The Mat of Mike Modest and Tony Jones getting their WWF tryout before RAW. Cornette tells them not to get nervous because the crowd will probably not be into them since they haven't been on TV. Ross and Vince watching the match on the monitor is fun. Jim Ross famously tells Tony Jones to work on his upper body.- 4 replies
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