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Dylan Waco

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  1. Stan Hansen v. Carlos Colon - Bullrope match WWC No fucking reason people shouldn't watch this as it is easy to find online, really helps the case for Hansen as GOAT, gives you a look at how shockingly good Colon was in gimmick matches, give people a taste of PR at it's best when it is a woefully under talked about territory, and also happens to be one of the best matches I've ever seen.
  2. A couple other quick things to note about Henry. When he was around in 2012 he looked great and at the level of 2011. Those Punk matches from Raw were awesome and there were house show matches that showed up online which were great too. Shame his injuries took him out. A couple years back in a MITB math there was a segment where Henry was on the floor and took a couple of big shots and it really made me realize how great he was at bumping and making other peoples shit look good. Mark Henry leaping into he air to take Edge's spear on the floor in a way that actually made it look painful was one of my favorite spots that entire year.
  3. Of course everyone knows I love Mark Henry. I am a sucker for good big men and while he's not the guy who I think is the absolute best, he might be the one I have the biggest emotional connection to. In fact as Exposer will attest to, a little over a year ago I traveled almost five hundred miles to a house show in Chattanooga for the sole reason that I heard Henry was going to be on the card. He was originally booked against Cena and they ended up changing it on short notice and I still had no regrets. It ended up being Henry v. Orton in a Cage and was a shit ton of fun and worth the trip alone. I think Henry is actually underrated as a face. Any time he worked face he got over, to the point where you had bits like his "human conductor" thing with the crowd that seemed like terrible ideas but somehow worked. I don't think there is any question that he was better as a heel and was more credible when pushed as a heel. Having said that I do think he was very good in the gatekeeper role as both a face and a heel and that is a role that is really important to a company. I don't know if it's a good direct comparison, but in someways Henry in between pushes was sort of like Meng in WCW. He was always respected as a badass and a guy where it meant something to beat him, even if he wasn't collecting wins or treated as a threat to top tier guys. To me Henry has three really great runs, with good runs and performances mixed in between them. His best runs were in 06, 08 and 11 when he was actually pushed as a top level heel on his respective brand. In 06 he was brought in with the rip the cage of the door spot, put over huge in an awesome battle royal on SD and proceeded to have a really good run as the big angry monster. I haven't watched them in a while, but my memory is that the Rey series was really great big v. little wrestling and I enjoyed his work with Taker and others during this period. In 08 he was on ECW during a year when ECW was EASILY the best wrestling show in the company and to my mind the best wrestling product on the planet. I don't know if Henry was the absolute best guy on the brand that year because it was loaded with talent. But I would not rule it out. He had really good matches with a litany of guys on the roster and the character was somewhat similar to the one he worked in 06, but with a slightly comedic edge at times due to his association with Tony Atlas. As much as I loved those two runs there is no question that 2011 was the apex for Mark Henry. It's a perfect example of a guy having a career year, where he even managed to turn the corner with long term doubters. There were people who didn't think his work was impressive (I thought he was top five in the world, in fact I think I had him 2 behind only Blue Panther on my WKO100 ballot), but virtually no one who didn't he was entertaining as a character. His promos were the most consistently entertaining of the year. Hell ratings even went up in a meaningful way and stayed up during his title reign (so did paid attendance and yes I know you could point to other factors, but I don't think it's a coincidence entirely). When he beat Orton clean for the title it was my "moment of the year" well ahead of Punk's "pipe bomb." Here is something I wrote around this time last year explaining my choice to put him number one on my A1W ballot which is another LIST! this one based on in ring work from the U.S. alone: In the previous two years my vote for number one was not tough at all. In both 2009 and 2010 no wrestler in the U.S. combined volume of quality, with consistency and strength of big match performances as well as Rey Mysterio. In actuality no one was particularly close. However, 2011 was a different story. Rey got hurt and left the fold in August. On top of that CM Punk had put together a remarkable year up to that point, including an all-time great series with John Cena, a far better than it should have been series with Randy Orton, consistent TV performances and of course an excellent match with Rey himself. In a year with Rey on the shelf, Punk seemed like the heir apparent. But there was a sleeping giant that emerged from the pack. That giant was Mark Henry, a polarizing figure in many circles, but someone who seemed to enjoy near unanimous approval in 2011 on the strength of a career defining run. I myself have been a fan of Henry for some years and considered him one of the top workers in the States in both 06 and 08. Still there was something about last year that was different, as Henry was no longer just a player. As the year went on he started to feel like THE player. Henry started the year slowly as he was still a babyface on Raw, being used in radom settings as a sort of “gatekeeper” for guys trying to work their way into the upper tier or as a monster for little guys to bounce off of. He had some quality matches during this period, mostly notable a tag match from Superstars and a quality house show bout with Tyson Kidd that is available online. He was not setting the World on fire though and it would have been unimaginable to see him breaking out to have the most successful and entertaining year of his career. And then the unimaginable happened. Henry was drafted to Smackdown, turned heel, and in relatively quick order went on a tear. Starting in April and running through the end of the year there was no more consistent and interesting figure in wrestling than Mark Henry. Where Punk had extremely high highs, he also had extremely low (and frankly embarrassing) lows. Part of this was due to booking and circumstance and Punk remained a consistent performer in the ring. But Punk started to feel stale and it became a chore to sit through segments involve him that ultimately felt like a great performer being set up to fail. Even in matches Henry was simply more fun to watch. It was not just about “fun” though. Henry had very good to great matches with a multitude of wrestlers. His series with Sheamus, Big Show, Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan featured a multitude of high quality matches in a variety of different settings. In particular the matches all had a distinct feel and showcased different aspects of Henrys character (and talents). His matches with Sheamus and Big Show looked and felt like brutal clash of the titans affairs. His matches with Orton saw him work as a remarkably effective dominating heel, with decisive power. In some respects his most impressive performance was against Bryan in the cage where he was working as a wounded wild animal, evoking a legitimate sense of vulnerability, without losing the any of the sense of violence that made his character so compelling. His trash talking and domineering attitude in the ring made nearly every affair watchable to the point where seeing him matched up with The Great Khali actually made me excited wondering if and how Henry would be able to make it work (he did). He was remarkably adept at saving and building to the big spots at the right moments. The World’s Strongest Slam off the top of the cage was the finish of the year. Or was it the definite shrug off of the RKO and WSS the night he won the title? Or was it the superplex spot that “broke the ring” with Show? Or was it putting Sheamus through a barricade before beating a ten count? They were all so great it’s hard to pick. His parting of the red seas spot with the lumberjacks in his Smackdown match with Christian was one of the more entertaining spots of the year. His bout with Rey from April was one of the most underrated bouts of the year. He took the Big Show’s WMD better than anyone and would regularly surprise with other impressive bumps. There was just a lot of stuff in 2011 that Mark Henry did really, really well. In December I had a chance to see Henry and Punk live within a week’s time. Henry lapped Punk despite already feeling the effects of the injury that would cut his run short. At this point I really started to consider “is Henry the (U.S.) wrestler of the year over Punk?” Overall the Smackdown ratings trends and direction of their characters led me to conclude the answer to the question was “yes.” In the ring…? The best way I can explain my decision is by looking at the 2009 Academy Awards. Sean Penn ended up winning the Oscar for Best Actor for his lead role in the bio-epic Milk, edging out Mickey Rourke for his excellent work in The Wrestler. As a wrestling fan and a movie fan I felt that Rourke should have won for two reasons. Firstly it was a role that transcended the movie and told the viewer as much about the troubled career and past of Rourke as it did about “Randy The Ram.” It was a career peak that sprung up out of nowhere signaling the resurrection of a man who had seemed permanently damned to irrelevance. Secondly Penn had a tight template to work off of. He was to become Harvey Milk, a man who really did exist and about whom a lot is known. Rourke’s job was to create a new character, realistic enough to connect with viewers. He had to study the context of a business he knew little about, understand it and take scraps of his own life to mold an authentic representation of a man who embodied the reality of that World. CM Punk is Sean Penn. He’s had other dances and will have more. I cannot begrudge someone for voting him the best in ring performer of 2011. He was handed a role and played it well. Mark Henry emerged from nowhere, created a role, made himself relevant again and had a career year in the process. Maybe the Academy voted with their head when they picked Penn in 2009, but they should have voted with their heart. I voted with my heart. I voted for Mark Henry.
  4. I'd like you to expand more on what meaningfulness means. If it is solely related to push I'm not sure where you can go with it. Seems like by that standard Hogan has to be rated very highly as a worker and while I rate him pretty highly relative to most, I'm not ready to say he's an all timer. If I'm misunderstanding that I want to know how and see some examples that are wrestling related that show what you mean. I would also note that if it is tied in to push or "value" to promotion, Bossman probably does better than you would guess. The gimmick was over and he had some well liked and remembered feuds. He wasn't Jake Roberts who was a master at getting over angles (or at least making them stand out as huge deals), but he was closer to that then he was to the other end. Worth noting that Bossman was one of Hogan's better drawing opponents.
  5. Bossman has had fans of his work for as long as I've been posting online. Which is a long, long time. What's being overstated? What about what people have said regarding Bossman is wrongheaded in your view? I don't think it's impossible that Dibiase was better in the WWF, but I hardly think it is self evident to the point where the idea that Bossman is better is "just wrong." Career v. Career I would absolutely take Ted.
  6. There were multiple people who said it was possibly the best show they had ever seen. Also I don't think it was a big surprise that NJPW did well in the Observer Award balloting. I also don't have a problem with NJPW winning promotion of the year, even though I didn't vote for them. But I still think NJPW is wildly overrated by some.
  7. Bruiser Brody/Stan Hansen v. Abdullah The Butcher/Carlos Colon - Lumberjack Match This is JIP. No clue how much of this is missing. The pre-match footage of Colon going to Abby and his business manager and paying him big cash to team with him v. the evil white guys is pretty great. Just the look Abby gives the camera, sitting behind his desk, tossing the money down, with his ridiculous hat on. It's fucking hysterical. The rest of this was perfectly fun as a senseless, insane spectacle. Very short match, with the Lumberjacks spilling into the ring and all hell breaks lose. All four guys bleed and then they brawl into the dugout and dressing rooms. Hugo and Bobby Jaggers make sure to note that Tom Renesto is taking a piss as Colon beats the shit out of Brody and Hansen with a nightstick he lifted off of a cop. Not much of a match really, but this is pretty much the sort of thing you expect with these pairings.
  8. Carlos Colon v. Bruiser Brody - Chain Match 1983 or 85 ??? Maybe I've lost my fucking mind, but I'm starting to think that Carlos Colon is a lost great worker. I'm sure someone will come along to tell me hundreds of smart fans have been pimping him for years and I somehow missed it and hell maybe that's true. But I've watched a fair amount of WWC before and I have no memory of him being so good. This is a gimmick I usually don't like, with a wrestler I usually don't like and despite the b.s. finish I would call this a good match. To be fair Brody looked better here than he usually does as he was bumping and selling far more than usual. Sure he bladed in a ridiculously egregious way, but if that's the most annoying thing Brody does in a match I can live with it. Lots of big punches from Colon that were over huge with the crowd. Also thought he made great use of the chain and he is the master of struggle spots in these sorts of matches. Also thought the spot with Brody pulling the chain up into his eye sockets was sick as fuck. This was structured with Brody pinballing around at first, then Brody cutting down Colon, then Colon taking back over and run-in finish with the two seconds of each men, foreign objects and Hugo Savonivich bloodied. A run-in like this would usually kill a match like this to me but the PR atmosphere is so great that it was remarkably easy to forgive.
  9. I forgive you, but only because of your avatar.
  10. I honestly can't believe anyone could like that finish. I literally find that astounding to the point where I can't imagine what anyone who liked that finish would think a bad finish would look like.
  11. Shocked by this.
  12. I agree with Devon and Will. The Rock was sucking wind a few minutes in and looked gassed as fuck throughout and the match was better than Rock/Cena on first watch. I don't think it was a particularly good match but I didn't hate it...until that ending. I fucking hated that ending. I have no problem with Punk losing clean, especially if he's not working Taker and if we can assume he's going to slide back into his comfortable modern Jericho slot, but that finish was everything I hated about Attitude Era match booking, combined with The Shield being used in such a way as to completely minimize them. Fuck that to hell. My guess is they hold up the title and it is on the line in the EC, but I would much prefer Rock have won clean after a long match than the way they did it.
  13. I disliked it because it wasn't very good. Sometimes you have a bad opinions. This is one of those times.
  14. I think Punk will win here and lose to Rock in the Chamber. Which is actually FAR WORSE since they will have less time to rehabilitate Punk for Taker which is already a match on paper that has virtually no intrigue without the title.
  15. They went the safe route and I don't blame them but it makes me far less interested in Mania as Punk v. Taker with Punk having already lost the title carries less than zero interest with me.
  16. My guess? OJ doesn't think Satanico had the greatest week, month or year of all time so he's looking for a metric that will help his favorite. I mean that's really what it all boils down to if you want to count everything right? Just trying to pick a good criteria for your boys? Can't possibly work the other way right? Eh better not question his motivations, or challenge his poor arguments again. Don't want to be seen as childish.
  17. Not responding to all of that right now, but if you want my honest opinion your crowing about the motivations of others tells me I have no reason to respect your opinions anymore.
  18. Man I love Titus O'Neil. Not enough to be positive i'm spelling his name right but still. And that Drew Mac elimination bump ruled.
  19. I liked that interview bit. That tag match was fun. Nothing outstanding, but pretty good. Bryan looked sharp as always and I thought the heel control was well worked.
  20. Thought it was a good match. Del Rio is still trying to figure out the best babyface arsenal which results in some awkward looking stuff, but on another level i like it and i thought it was cool that Cole pointed that out. The big spots worked well and looked good. Loved the Ricardo stuff, Del Rio didn't die when he got Seth Rollins'ed and the finish while a repeat of Batista/Cena made sense. Not as good as the first match, but I didn't expect it to be. Wish I had watched Cesaro v. Miz
  21. Yes. Unless that was a trick question. Then the answer is no
  22. I love that Bubba v. Ron Garvin match. Will hates it because he's a communist
  23. This is the least surprising post in the thread.
  24. Extremely early on I said that and was told it wasn't possible for it not to be a negative if it was a positive for someone else. That's not the case. This is not a zero sum game.
  25. You say Flair's post-prime is being used to tear him down but I have really tried to avoid that being the basis of any of this talk even though I think it is insane to pretend he didn't suck for a couple of years when he clearly did. The idea that I have harped on that is flat out bullshit.
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