Dylan Waco

I suspect Dandy Fans would say Dandy was/is the better worker. Dandy also was likely the bigger star in Mexico. John I love Hamada and he was more influential than Dandy. But I would argue that Dandy is one of the twenty best workers of all time. If that was it I would say "no" because I wouldn't vote anyone in on work alone. But Dandy was a MUCH bigger star in Mexico than say Benoit was here in the States. He was on top of several 15-20k shows and was generally regarded by Lucha fans of the late 80's/early 90's as one of the four or five best over all talents of that period at bare minimum. He really ought to be on the ballot as he compares well in many ways to several of the candidates that are currently on it. I'm far from a Lucha expert and would still consider him a solid candidate at minimum just based on what I know.

Exactly. I think it should be a 20 year limit before you consider a wrestler for a hall of fame. Shawn Michaels "retired" in 1998, then came back and put in another decade of work. Would he have been inducted into the WON HOF if he'd never come back? Quite possibly. But those post-retirement years accounted for just as much of his career and were as significant. A lot of people on this board would probably argue that his comeback sucked and downgrades his rating. With wrestling.....lots of guys retire and un-retire and work into their 50's etc. John Cena is a hall of famer however you slice it.....but only 10 years or so in the biz is too soon to be inducting someone into a hall of fame I thought Michaels was terrible post-comeback, but I also think it helped his over all case because he worked up top longer, including on some big show in key matches. Shawn as an all time top tier WWE/F star is still a myth (unless we think the top tier means "top twenty") propped up by the WWE hype machine, but he added meat to his argument as a drawing card/top star. DX also sold a shit load of merch in those runs. Michaels got in way to early and in many ways was the slippery slope that has led to every other questionable candidacy/mistake sense.

Dandy has supporters. Kurt Brown is a supporter and he tells me that Alfredo is a supporter to. Either guy could probably piece together a bio, though I'm not sure either guy has the time or is willing to write it.

I'm a bit surprised you didn't have Torres on your ballot and I think the inclusion of Atlantis is interesting as he is not someone I have seen other Lucha experts really go to the wall for as often as some of the other names on the ballot. We talk about the lack of unity with the historical candidates, but I think the lack of unity surrounding Lucha experts/particular candidates is arguably even worse.

The part where he called Farmer Burns, Farmer Brown twice was an unintentionally hilarious moment

My comp went dead during Del Rio v. Sheamus which is too bad because it was good up until that point. Still this felt like a one match show. The WWE is just incredibly stale to me right now with programs/match ups run into the ground. I really was bored by most of it. But Punk/Cena saved the show. It was a great match. Yeah the finisher run was lengthy and maybe a bit much. Yeah Cena blowing off the early stuff with the leg kind of annoyed me. But these guys have outstanding chemistry and over all this really came across like a top five WWE match of the year. Punk's mannerisms are great and the match had a real "going for broke" feel to it with both guys busting out fresh spots and counters. I really loved the moonsault, Cena tope and Punk counters of the five knuckle shuffle, but I think my favorite spot int he match was Punk channeling Martel/Rheingans with the perfectly timed drop toehold into the fast submission. I also liked the finish a whole lot as it really fit the theme of Punk's turn into the douchey heel, as he escaped on Cena's turf but didn't really beat him. The more I watch Punk the more he seems like what would have happened if Jake Roberts had come up in the 90's and actually gotten a main event push. He's just really good on the big stage at getting over angles and working the little touches into matches. I know it won't happen but a part of me wants to see Punk as Flair, working ten minute near fall heavy matches against Tyson Kidd where he just escapes. I'd also kill to see him find a chickenshit way to beat Ryback after getting his ass kicked for seven or eight minutes.

Slight bump to see if the other two (known) voters on the board want to post their ballots which were due yesterday. Did you make any changes evilclown? John who did you end up voting for?

I don't know that Punk/Cena have ever had a match together that was less than Very Good

Does anybody here have a link to the epic Andersons for HoF debate that took place on Classics years ago? I'm not talking about the "Ole Anderson bitterest man alive" thread but rather the other thread where a bunch of results and other things were tossed out and debated. John, Bix, anyone?

I suspect if WWE was going to sue they would have already.

RF owns the rights to the FanCams and actually (apparently) has some weird deal where he can license the tv/ppv's also. They have paper work on everything. They chose to only use the FanCams for a variety of reasons.

I could swear we talked about it on the show (we may not have to be honest), but they have a deal to use any/all the fancam footage they need.

He's done a dozen or more podcasts. I don't even know what the line about not being able to use the original event footage means - this will have actual footage from ECW throughout. I think it's pretty clear from the clips that are up that it will take a different tone than the other two docs. The first show may have been somewhat vague at time but I think there were very specific things covered about what would be different about this doc.

I strongly suspect the show would have been called if it had been a random show in Jackson, Mississippi and not Bret in Montreal for the first time in fifteen years. The funny thing is - as I noted earlier in the thread - the whole thing makes Bret's reaction to the Owen death look extremely self serving.

Brock obviously did more in wrestling than Ken. Neither belongs in a pro wrestling hall of fame.

To expand on this, the discussion included Lawler's health, Bobby Bass as God, my response to Todd Martin's RVD = Buddy Rose comparison regarding the HoF, upcoming indy shows, et. Here is the Sarge v. Otto Wanz match I talked about Here is Bobby Bass/Goldie Rodgers v. The British Bulldogs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxhbJPvqo3U

Well I'm not a big Edge fan either....

As a hybrid candidate Shamrock strikes me as being pretty clearly better than Brock when you factor in all of the usually applied criteria. He also strikes me as someone who does not belong in the HoF.

How is Brock a better candidate than Ken Shamrock?

I think Brock is more analogous to Maurice Tillet than he is JYD when it comes to MMA but even that doesn't really fit for a variety of reasons.

Article by Mike Mooneyham where he interviews a doctor. It's speculative of course but interesting reading http://www.postandcourier.com/article/2012...arded-condition

It's really not hard to understand The idea is to get the movie in film festivals. Whether or not that is going to happen is debatable of course, but that is the plan. No film festival is going to show a two-plus hour movie on a pro wrestling company.

I don't want to speak for Johnny but ideally there will be a directors cut and a commercial cut. He mentioned this a bit on our show and I think other shows he's done.

They got one 4k donor, but they were having a good day even before that. Hell even before the f4w show they had cleared over 1500 for the day. No doubt the f4w show will help going forward. Still need to get over the last little hump, but things are looking really good now.