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It took you this long to figure that out? But they always come back. Well I didn't just figure it out, I was just making the point. The Rock is probably going to be the one guy who never comes back to wrestling in an in-ring sense after a retirement. He may show up for a promo every so often, but unless he has some sort of financial disaster I don't see him ever wrestling again. That of course only makes the people in the biz hate him even more.

I would think anything even slightly harsh would and should be considered "blasting", especially when you take into account how much money the Rock made the company. Seriously, what is this mindset in wrestling that people who leave the business are ingrates who somehow owe something to the profession? Rock has every right to tell the WWE and anyone in it to go fuck themselves with a rusty spike, and the fact that he takes the time to make appearances once in a while shows that he still "gives back" to the business. If anything, this whole affair illustrates how many people in wrestling are just huge jealousy filled crybabies.

McDevitt must be a sadist, Cyril Wecht is basically Vince McMahon in public office. I can't imagine having both those large egos as clients. He should take up an easier hobby, like punching himself repeatedly in the testicles.

Also, the MSG 3/16/86 card currently up has all sorts of "stuff I never thought I'd see in the WWF" moments: Dump Matsumoto & Bull Nakano defeated Linda Gonzalez & Velvet McIntyre when Matsumoto pinned Gonzalez at 10:02 with a diving headbutt Lioness Asuka & Chigusa Nagoya defeated Leilani Kai & Penny Mitchell at 7:05 when Nagoya pinned Mitchell with a flying bodypress off the top

Cena doesn't give the impression of being a dumb guy, yet somehow despite him holding a degree and having an obvious history with physique enhancing chemicals we're supposed to believe he's both ignorant of the effects and/or more Straight Edge than CM Punk on the subject. That's what alarms me the most about this, how shockingly out of character this whole rant seems to be. Did he not think the UK had internet access and what he said would never leak across the ocean?

Bret Hart is the HOF selection for March, and the first round of stuff appeared today. They have Bret/Owen, Bret/Dynamite, and Bret winning the title from Flair as the bonus matches so far.

What happened to prompt Cena to go off so harshly? He's normally way more media savvy than that. Especially bashing a guy who's going to be showing up to induct his family in your company's Hall of Fame.

Man, did Cena owe money to Ken Kennedy and decide to repay him by raising the bar of dumb comments made by WWE workers? The Rock comments seem to be more HHH's opinion than Vince's. Hasn't he always been jealous of Rock getting movie roles when Hunter can't land any part better than Flunky #3 in that one Blade sequel? Man, that quote needs to be photoshopped on a photo of him as the Prototype. A LOLCena, if you wheeeel.

Meltzer makes a good point in the new WON that while it's nice Taker wants to branch out and all, the gogoplata is such a random move to pull out that even most MMA fans who watch UFC don't know what it is. He's probably literally the only guy in the building who knows what is when he does it.

Fair enough, but I don't think there were Pena fanboys saying it was ok to soap up the minis as long as the in ring product was entertaining. I could be mistaken on that. I think most fans of puro/mexican/canadian wrestling (hello Stampede stories) are aware that wrestling sleaze is a universal language. For some reason, ROH fans get especially offended when it's their ox being gored. It's understandable, but they have to realize the hypocrisies of wanting to change the subject when ROH was built partly on the complaints made about WWE. You can pretty much guarantee if this angle is followed through to its conclusion, there will be people defending it because "WWE did it worse" and even Dave will probably be devoting paragraphs in the WON to how it's something that doesn't need to be done in the current environment, but he was told it was just done as a one time only thing to get over how meaningful rape angles can be.

I don't understand why you think it's a conspiracy issue. They have been editing him off the shows since it happened and the reason they put forward for skipping a whole episode are suspect at best. I'm willing to accept there were sound issues with their copy, but to be bad to the point of being unrepairable is suspect since we've seen how WWE can do wonders with footage that isn't in the best of shape. Just to make sure I'm clear and not belaboring a misunderstood point, are you making the argument that there is no conscious effort to edit Benoit off of the shows being run? Because based off of what you've been saying in this and other threads, that's what it seems like.

Speaking of things that sound like bullshit: So many things seem unlikely with that explanation: 1. All the tapes that were kept by Turner were in immaculate condition, so this would probably be the first NWA/WCW show that has problems. Not that it couldn't happen, but it's not like we're talking about ancient footage that wasn't well cared for here. 2. The thought of WWE scouring the net for a DVD of Nitro on like Crazymax or some other trading site is hilarious. Were they offering copies of Coliseum videos in return? Did someone have it but ask that they send first? 3. They've aired a lot of stuff that wasn't "broadcast quality" on 24/7. If it was RAW, I'd say this would be a valid reason but there hasn't been any reluctance to show non WWE programming that was not perfect quality.

Also it must be mentioned that the asshole portion of ROH's fanbase became that way due to the booking being done in a way to encourage such behavior. It wasn't a spontaneous force of assholery that just decided to appear out of nowhere.

I think that's what bothers me the most with all this. It's why stuff like editing shows bothers me too, not because we're going to miss out on **** matches, but because it makes it easier for people to carry on as if nothing ever happened. Some folks have the blinders on so tight it makes you wonder how they don't suffocate. WWE as a company has been so successful with getting people to accept that death is a part of the business, it's actually scary how quickly went from "wow this is a tremendously fucked up situation" to "who's going to be on the next PPV?".

Also his constant shilling of the video where you could relive the night where CHRIS BENOIT BROKE SABU'S NECK 100 times per show during the old ECW TV.

That's always something I wondered too, not only did Honky dick Vince around on the night of a major national TV show, he was also brought back later as a commentator/manager in the 90s (which sucked, yes, but I don't think we'll be seeing Jeff Jarrett doing color on RAW any time in the next 20 years).

Wow, Paul E. brings some real motherfucking talk to the table to remind people of a point too many are missing.

Was Steamboat already on the way out by WM IV? His match there seemed to be the most obvious "playing out the clock" moment ever.

I'm just getting tired of people shocked over it. That and WWE somehow thinking that doing it makes the problem go away.

I don't know what's so hard to understand, since the murders there's been no footage of Benoit on either DVD or 24/7. I don't know why you think it's some weird conspiracy theory, there hasn't been any mention of him since it happened and Christ knows every DVD release there's people bitching "OMG Y NO BENOIT MATCHEZ?" If they release a box set, they're going to have to include him or face the wrath of people dropping that kind of coin on an incomplete product, but other than that I don't see any change to their policy.

I could make a good list of things said on TNT that would cause a major PR controversy today. On another note, it gets kind of annoying that whenever any type of editing occurs, someone suggests maybe it has to do with Chris Benoit, and that IMMEDIATELY becomes fact, to the point where Meltzer reports it. Considering they claimed recording errors when TNT showed replays of the shows the same evening, somebody's kayfabing somebody somewhere. Do you have a better explanation? I don't, and it may very well be true in this situation. But people make grand statements about WWE's policy when they have never made a single statement about editing Benoit whatsoever. Well if their intention was to quietly remove any trace of his existence, making a public statement about it would kind of defeat the purpose. Also, Vince said on the post-murder ECW show that there would not be any further mention of Benoit on WWE programming.

Ironically, Meltzer has this in his update today:

You had me until you made it clear you aren't even watching the shows anymore.

Oh man, the TNT go-home for WM 2 show is up and it features Blassie repeatedly calling Mr. T a house ape. The Monday Night Wars only offered RAW, with Cole explaining before the show that Nitro was not available this week due to some kind of error that isn't expanded on.

Amend that to say compilation. They don't go out of their way to edit him off full shows, but don't feel compelled to include him where they don't need to. That's a wise decision, IMO. Actually they do. Other than a few stray pics on the website and a few mentions of his name on 24/7, 99% of his existence has been removed from history.