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The song is more over than both the wrestlers. Tye doesn't have much charisma and is way too bland & boring. Crowd was hot for the opener, which is all you can ask for. I agree the match went too long.

This is awesome chants already and they've yet to even touch lmfao.

Yeah, that was monumentally fucking stupid. Yikes.

Really excited for Takeover tonight. Joe/Nak 2 has me hype. Plus the crowd should be banana.

I'm excited for both NXT Takeover & Survivor Series. It's the weekly TV shows that usually disappoint me. The PPVs are still usually pretty fun.

Alright, after re-watching all three, I voted with the Great American Bash title change for best, the Strap Match second & the King of Cable match third. Honestly, I'm not sure if I had seen all three of these matches before. If I have, it had been so long ago that I had forgotten them.

WWE is making so much money as a whole that I feel like they're not paying enough attention to their bread-and-butter anymore which is the cable television wrestling show. Sure, they're making hand over fist now but if the TV remains weak and WWE Network subscriptions dwindle, won't those other revenue streams eventually start to run out?

I actually thought Rusev/Reigns was the best HIAC match on the card and from all the post-show reading I've done, that seems to be an opinion that is quite in the minority. I think Seth/Owens was the worst of the three... and he had it as MOTN. Whatev.

Here they are, by the way: Lince Dorado, Sin Cara and Cedric Alexander vs Tony Nese, Drew Gulak and Ariya Daivari ***1/4 Roman Reigns vs Rusev ***1/4 Dana Brooke vs Bayley *1/2 Enzo Amore and Colin Cassady vs Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson ** Seth Rollins vs Kevin Owens **** The Brian Kendrick vs TJ Perkins *3/4 Cesaro and Sheamus vs The New Day **3/4 Sasha Banks vs Charlotte Flair **3/4 I guess Dave doesn't agree that Banks/Flair was one of the best WWE matches ever.

Think about this: this THREAD was made on 11 Feb 2007 - That's almost a decade ago... and we've been talking about TNA being shit the ENTIRE time. I don't think there's any question it's the worst promotion of all-time anymore. A decade of head-shaking, eye-rolling & confused faces.

I actually think that of the IV Horsewomen, Sasha is the worst. I easily put Becky & Charlotte ahead of her & although it's close, I think Bayley edges her out a little too. I go back-and-forth between Bayley & Sasha but yeah, this is an easy vote for Charlotte for me. Since coming to the main roster, only Charlotte & Becky feel like they have thrived. A lot of it is booking of course but Bayley & Sasha don't feel anywhere near how they were perceived in NXT.

Rollins Vs. Owens is pretty much everything I hate about pro-wrestling. The animated .gif posted earlier being a good, visual example. Sasha Vs. Charlotte is being ridiculously overrated in this thread but it was a lot better than Rollins/Owens. I have no problem with it going on last whatsoever. I just wanted more.

It drives me bonkers to see people congratulating the heels post-match all over social media. It's impossible to get real heat anymore because as soon as the match/event is over everyone is all like "QUEEN!" all over dumb ass social media. I'm a bitter, jaded old fan. I hate the crowd doing dueling chants. I hate the heels being funny & getting laughs. I hate the fans knowing it's all a work & these are just "entertainers" & thanking them for being entertaining. I'd give anything for a wrestler to show up that doesn't give a damn about PC, getting sued or trying to sell more goddamn shirts... but that'll never happen. Pro-wrestling has been changed forever.

Lita is bad at everything. I'm not sure what's wrong with her on the talking panels but she always sounds drunk to me. I'm not a fan of WWE introducing all of these talking panels anyway... unless they're willing to bring back Legends of Wrestling to WWE Network. That show was great.

I'm looking forward to Reigns/Rusev. Also, I want Cesaro/Sheamus to win the tag titles, I don't even care.

On the Legends of Wrestling show with JBL on WWE Network, Scott Hall said he was going to be Laser.

Wow! I have never even heard of that 1992 tape before. I was familiar with the 1992 World Tour tape, which I had & it was terrible. This card is sick though! I don't think I've seen any of these matches before.

I like Brian Cage. Moose is still green but I think he'll improve. He has thus far. Keith Lee, I've not seen a lot but he's fun. I also like Hanson but I'm not sure which ROH guys are under contract & which aren't. That's not to say there's not room on a roster for other wrestlers too, of course. But I was operating under the idea of working from the top down, so starting with the main event. I also didn't mind your pick of D.H. Smith. I know if contracts were ignored my #1 overall pick would be Rusev.

Sweet this is going to be fun! Oh... *crickets* Woof. Alright, this might ruffle some feathers but hopefully start some conversation: I'll be honest - one of the biggest things that matters to me is physical presence. It's why I like Braun Strowman. And dudes on the Indies? They don't have that. I need wrestlers that don't just look like normal, everyday people. I actually think that's one of the biggest things hurting current WWE. Everyday people do not want to watch guys like Kevin Owens in the main event. That's for hardcore wrestling fans that only care about match quality. But match quality doesn't really sell tickets or merchandise. We, here, on this forum, care about match quality of course, but if we were trying to make a wrestling company that turned a profit? You gotta appeal to the most number of people. You're not going to draw them in by just having good matches with normal looking people. It's different in legitimate sports, like MMA, because if you're a bad dude you'll still get fans from winning. Everyone knows wrestling is a work though, so it's a different beast. How do you even get heat nowadays? Everything is so politically correct & everyone is on social media & everyone has a cell phone that can take pictures/record video 24/7, it seems impossible. The wrestlers themselves are walking on eggshells. They break character constantly. They don't want to piss people off because then they'll sell less T-shirts. Plus, like with ROH in the past, if you just have everyone going out there all the time having MOTYC matches all up and down the card at every event, the matches start to blend together & then none of them really matter anymore or stand out. Even in 2016, I'm still a firm believer that the main event sells the card & the wrestlers themselves, not the promotion, sells the main event. The wrestlers themselves, as characters, telling stories, matters a lot more than the match content. By the time the match is happening, the people have already paid. Your goal is to make them care about the outcome & want to continue to watch the story progress. There's not sixteen guys on the Indies I think I would take. If I include TNA & Lucha Underground, there's a few more people that I would be interested in but I still don't think I can get anywhere close to sixteen. I still think Drew Galloway is really good. I liked Paul Burchill but I just looked him up & he has seemingly retired. Matt Morgan is also retired. I would take Mike Knox, he still seems to be working. I don't know, man, it's hard.

I still have a shelf of those toys. I have Hogan, Warrior, Savage, Rick Rude, Jake the Snake, Ted DiBiase and Demolition Smash. All these years later! I also have a stack of old WCW Valentine's Cards... that I have no idea where they came from.

Mark Madden was awful. Stevie Ray was terrible. Jerry Lawler is quite bad. Vampiro is the pits. Matt Striker isn't great. Mike Tenay is a parody. Don West was pretty bad. The Pope is one of the worst of all-time. At this point, it's harder to name GOOD commentators than shitty ones.

How many people even watch Evolve shows, period? This just seems like a service that there won't be enough interest in. Maybe I'm wrong? Independent wrestling is a niche of a niche. This does not strike me as profitable.

Oh, there's no doubt there's more deserving people. This is 100% because of the way he looks. He looks like the biggest jobber that ever jobbed. Like a six-year-old could cold-cock him & knock him out cold. I think the appeal to WWE was because he looks so absolutely pathetic. So, in that regard, think of it as not exactly being something that anyone else that you might know whom is more deserving would want to be remembered for. Regardless of the money.