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[1990-09-01-USWA-Memphis TV] Interview: Cowabunga
garretta replied to Loss's topic in September 1990
No, no, no, no, no. A hundred thousand times no. Dundee helped Lawler into the building after he was hit, has been his closest friend and bitterest enemy each in its turn for the last fifteen freakin' years, has a program going with the Gilberts himself, and instead we get this idiot going on about "pukus maximus" and "major wiggage"? What does Doug's wig have to do with any of this anyway? Is your shell on too tight, pal? We just had a bloody ATTEMPTED MURDER here not half an hour ago! Words may not fail me, but they're certainly inadequate at this point. Worst promo of the year by far. I'd rather hear Warrior's blathering about normals. -
[1990-09-01-USWA-Memphis TV] Interview: Jerry Lawler
garretta replied to Loss's topic in September 1990
As always, the King comes through just when he's needed most. If this was an attempt to save Eddie from the cops, it obviously succeeded, and promoted the match for Monday night at the same time. I don't think the mechanics of wrestling angles were on his mind at all; his top heel was going to the clink if he didn't get out there and get the cops off his back pronto. Even if it cost him a week's business by basically killing the angle dead, there was nothing else Lawler could have done. I liked how Marlin didn't bow to the pressure to reinstate the Gilberts right away; after all, if you're fired by a promotion and then try to kill its top star, you should at least stay fired for an hour or so, even in Memphis. What the hell could Cowabunga, of all life forms, have to say about this? I'm off to find out! -
[1990-09-01-USWA-Memphis TV] Eddie Gilbert goes for a drive
garretta replied to Loss's topic in September 1990
The bump from Lawler looked magnificent, and God bless Eddie Marlin for still being able to take a beating like that at his age. He must have been one tough son of a bitch. I'm not really sure why they felt they had to go as far as this; even the intended sideswiping was probably too brutal to put on TV. If you wanted to do something like this, you could have had Lawler simply say that Gilbert had tried to run him down right after the match and left him bruised; I think it would have gotten a much more heated reaction than actually seeing it happen on live TV did. You could then run the whole rest of the angle, including Eddie's "firing". I don't know what you do for an MSC main event in that case; obviously the Gilberts wrestled two days later, so however they explained it in real life would have been sufficient. My one problem with having Marlin as the on-screen authority figure is that every big star in the promotion can outtalk him during confrontations. Lawler made him look like a fool earlier in the year, and now Gilbert's doing the same. They need to have him make his announcements by videotape and let Dave Brown or whoever's announcing take the flack live. At least Dave knows how to talk to a camera. Can't wait to watch the other segments from this show to see how they dealt with the aftermath. -
Satanico turns on Dandy after being hit by mistake. Looks interesting. I think Grundy competed in one of the independent Texas promotions; I want to say Wild West, but I can't be sure on that. At any rate, I saw his name in one of the Weston mags around '88 or so.
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Vic Steamboat is Ricky's real-life brother. This was his biggest moment as a wrestler, I believe. So this is how Tony's run in ICW ended, huh? A manager whom we've never seen before has a punch (with or without foreign object) that's lethal enough to floor him with one shot, then stands there like a schlump while Vic hits a flying bodypress for the win and the title? I guess they wanted to make sure that Tony had zero credibility left if he were to come crawling back. I'd like to say more, but the only real impression I have from this match is that two maniacs screamed over the top of each other for what seemed like twenty minutes at the end. Was there no director to tell the lamebrain on play-by-play to shut up and let the color guy sell what had just happened, or vice versa, for that matter? Rumble actually wasn't too awful on color, but whoever his partner was should be the PA announcer at neighborhood peewee football and hockey games, and whoever "directed" this trainwreck shouldn't be trusted to throw on a test pattern at four in the morning at a ten-watt station in Lobster Spit, Maine. By the end of this, I felt like screaming "Calgon, take me away!" No wonder Tony was so glad to rediscover his "roots".
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[1990-09-05-NWA-Clash of the Champions XII] Sting vs Black Scorpion
garretta replied to Loss's topic in September 1990
This angle continues to make Sting look like a complete loser. Okay, so he's disappointed at not unmasking the real Scorpion. All well and good. But what kind of hero, what kind of fighting champion, blows off a challenge like he does to Sid here? I've actually seen this type of angle once or twice before, and it never makes the champion look anything but weak. Sting has it worse, because he's trying to live up to the champion's reputation set by Flair of being ready for any type of challenge, wherever it may come from. Championship committee, my clavicle. He deserved the beating he got from Sid on camera, and he should have delivered a similar real-life beating to the person who thought that making him look so weak was actually a good idea. Again I ask: Did Ole and company really want Sting as champ, or did they only give the belt to him because Flair demanded that they do so? It sure seems like the latter to me. By the way, I guess they didn't think much of the Scorpion as a challenger either; he's the first "main eventer" I've ever seen be pinned clean by the Stinger Splash. -
Good looking clips, and it does seem like this is an interview promoting a wrestling school of some sort, The feature kind of blends into the next match on the disc (a lucha bout), which makes it tough to tell where one stops and the other starts without consulting the disc menu.
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[1990-09-05-USWA-Evansville TV] Bill Dundee & Cowabunga local promo
garretta replied to Loss's topic in September 1990
Cowabunga may be the one bizarre gimmick Vince let get away. His promo writers must have been moonlighting with all the "shell" references. "Beat the shell out of you", indeed. I hope Domino's enjoyed its free plug; if the Evansville show had any local pizza sponsors, I imagine they weren't too happy with Jarrett. This wouldn't have been quite so absurd if Champion hadn't used his helium voice. How anyone could take anything delivered in such an obviously fake voice seriously, I'll never know in a million years. They should have just used Cowabunga as a mascot/greeter and let Champion wrestle as himself once the card started.- 8 replies
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This was a good way to restart the feud and start the buildup to what had to have been a final hair match, probably a mixed match. I'm the first one to squawk and Chris and Toni being beaten to a pulp with no help, and the bell hammer was a bit hardcore to be used as a weapon in a televised angle, but given that Chris and Toni triumphed so decisively in the cage, then came out to crow about it, they had to put the heat back on Austin and company someway. Typical of Jeannie to be more worried about her ripped-out hair than her broken hand. I'll miss her on the mic. Also, a great display of tenacity on her part to hold on to her documents while Toni was beating on her and ripping her hair out. I guess Steve isn't the only tough one in that family! Nice to see that Jeannie got a writeup in The National. I'm guessing that her and Austin's talent got Meltzer's attention, as well it should have. As for how Jarrett would have handled the hair match, I'm betting that Percy would have ended up taking the haircut for the heels in the end unless Jeannie was so dedicated to the business that she volunteered to have her head shaved instead. I don't think Vince would have been too happy with that outcome, though. Could you imagine a bald Paul Bearer?
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This didn't look all that slow to me. If I hadn't read this thread beforehand, I don't think I would have noticed that Ak and company were stalling. Loss can rest easy; Jeff's calling Ak "General Akbar" now. One small note, although it obviously won't matter going forward: They're treating Kamala like he was Jeff's special find, which I guess he was in this case. But where's the acknowledgement that Kamala was at one time the centerpiece of Devastation Inc.? You'd think Ak would have been all over this, claiming that only he knows how to control Kamala and making threats to "bring him home" during the following week's tag match. Of course, now that they're off TV it hardly matters, as I just said. I'm curious: Did Jarrett run any more cards in Dallas once his TV was gone, or did Kevin take over right after this?
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Take away the laughter and Mick wasn't all that bad here. I'd rather hear him talk than Young, who's just average on the stick at best, or Ak, who seems to have caught Slaughter's Disease, with the number one symptom being the need to make an idiot out of yourself praising a man whose country the U.S. will soon be at war with. Taste issues aside, Ak would have done a hell of a lot more for Slaughter as a manager than Adnan ever did, and he was available if Vince had waited a few more weeks. Odd that the Kamala face turn didn't make the set. I don't know which team's odder: Jeff Jarrett and Kamala or Kevin Von Erich and Moondog Spot.
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Neat video hyping the return of Cactus and Young as a tag team. Too bad there's only one more week for this promotion; it would have been nice to see them go against Jarrett and company.
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[1990-09-03-Iowa Ringside] 'Mr Ugly' Contest (feat. Ox Baker)
garretta replied to Loss's topic in September 1990
Cute little commercial we have here. I'd agree that Ox should win the contest hands down. I wonder what prizes they planned on giving away; this promotion looks like it was run a budget of about five bucks a month.- 9 replies
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[1990-09-01-IWA-TV] Kevin Von Erich & Moondog Spot promo
garretta replied to Loss's topic in September 1990
Of all the tag teams I never thought I'd see, Kevin and Spotty top the list. It looks like Spotty's learned to talk a little since we saw him last, if you count "HEY!" as talking. I winder who the Diamond Exchange was here. It's a pretty safe bet that DDP was managing them, but with the way guys rotated in and out of small promotions like the IWA, I'd imagine that it would be tough to keep one team together for any length of time.- 7 replies
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[1990-09-28-NWA-Power Hour] Louisville Slugger: Theodore R. Long
garretta replied to Loss's topic in September 1990
I like that Teddy paid the Horsemen their due respect, but still maintained that Simmons and Reed are better and would prove it at Havoc. Too many babyfaces bowed at the Horseman altar during feuds with them, and at times sounded awed to be in the same ring as one of them, so I'm glad Doom's taking a different approach. I'm not sure that Corny was expecting the "call a timeout so you can slap your mother" line. Oh well, I'm sure it sounded good to Teddy when he thought of it. Interesting that Corny still got a small dig in at Heyman when introducing the Danger Zone clip. That kind of attention to detail's getting very rare in WCW, unfortunately. Speaking of Paul, he sure bailed in a hurry when it looked like Doom and the Horsemen were going to get physical, didn't he? -
For those who say Flair was too big of a star to challenge for the tag team titles, what else would you have had him do? They wanted Hansen to challenge Luger; it's likely that the only reason Stan came over here was because he'd get a title reign of some kind to show off to the folks in Japan. Sting's busy with Sid and the Scorpion nonsense. If Flair and Arn had been challenging the Steiners for the U.S. belts, I could see the argument that it was a demotion, but not the World belts. I like that Simmons and Reed aren't scared of Barry and Sid possibly providing backup. They probably knew that Sid has his own problems with Sting, and Windham had almost dropped out of sight (I think he may have been hurt). I'm surprised that they didn't mention Sid's previous history as one of the Skyscrapers (managed by Peanuthead, of course) at least in passing, though.
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If I was Sting, I'd have it narrowed down to one of the Horsemen. Seriously, who else does the Scorpion mention during his interviews? The Horsemen, specifically Sid. Either this guy is one of the Horsemen or knows their ins and outs. If it had been played out that way, instead of Flair having to put the body suit on at Starrcade because they couldn't get anyone else to do it, maybe this whole angle would have been remembered at least a little more fondly. I seriously can't believe that Ole would propose something like this, even in jest, and have no better of an idea than he did of how to pull it off if he had to. The man flat out sucks as a booker, period.
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[1990-09-29-NWA-World Championship Wrestling] Black Scorpion promo
garretta replied to Loss's topic in September 1990
Now they're just throwing stuff at the wall, hoping some of it sticks. They're trying too hard to be cryptic; what they're actually being is boring. Fans don't like to try this hard to figure out an angle, gentlemen. So Kevin thinks that might have been Ole under the hood, huh? At this point, it wouldn't have surprised me if they'd revealed that it was Ted Turner! -
[1990-09-29-NWA-World Championship Wrestling] Sting and Black Scorpion
garretta replied to Loss's topic in September 1990
What was the point of showing Sting running after the Scorpion, then cutting away and not mentioning it again? Now we know that the reason they seem to be doling this out in dribs and drabs is that they have no idea what's going on from week to week concerning this whole mess. Back then, I'm sure people were just scratching their heads. I can't believe that it hasn't at least been proposed in passing that this is all a Horseman mind game. Maybe they thought that talking that way would lead the more clever fans to realize that it was Ole doing the voice of the Scorpion. which would mean either exposing the whole thing as a trick or putting Ole into World title contention, which he was far from being able to handle at this point. Or maybe they thought Warrior would call them just for the hell of it. Who knows? By the way, this segment actually aired on 9/22, not 9/29. -
I don't understand how anyone with any brains could possibly think that this was supposed to be Warrior when he was still all over Vince's TV and being advertised and promoted as champion for WWF house shows. This shows just how little respect Ole and Jim Herd had not only for the fans, but for Sting himself. The only way they thought he could be interesting as champion is if Ole deliberately misled the public into thinking that Warrior was going to jump ship. If that's the case, they should have just had Luger beat Flair back at WrestleWar and fired Sting, freeing him to go to Vince once his knee healed up. If that meant that Flair walked too, so be it.
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I would have laughed my head off if Sting had said, "That's Ole! I'd recognize that accent anywhere!" Frankly, things would almost surely have turned out better if he'd done just that. As it is, at least he didn't sound completely clueless like he did during his last interview about the Scorpion. Hey, we have to take progress where we can find it, don't we?
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A brief promo from Sting that says next to nothing. So this is where Rocky King has been hiding himself. Did anyone actually buy this as something interesting? I wonder if he wrestled in this gimmick or not. If he did, it probably didn't help his win-loss record. I didn't really care for Flair/Scott at all. After so much buildup about this being one of the greatest matches ever presented on free TV, it became nothing more than a showcase for outside interference. Rick happens to get the last illegal lick in, so Scott gets handed the win. Big deal. I thought we'd get something on the order of Flair's big TV matches earlier in the year with Bobby Eaton and Ricky Morton, but this wasn't even close to being on that level. Unlike Loss and Pete, I think they were trying to protect Flair, not depush him. Regardless of Arn's earlier interference, it still took both Steiners to beat him, and it was Rick, not Scott, who finished him off. Unless this storyline continues during the upcoming Scott/Arn match, or unless they're trying to promote a Steiners/Horsemen feud for the U.S, tag belts (which we know they aren't), this match did nothing at all for either man.
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[1990-09-22-NWA-World Championship Wrestling] Master Blasters promo
garretta replied to Loss's topic in September 1990
That's it? Ten seconds? This hardly even qualifies as a promo. If Nash hadn't been the one talking, I doubt that it would have made the set. I think the other guy was going for smoldering intensity, but missed the mark and ended up at escaped lunatic instead. -
I think the idea was for Hansen to look as sloppy as possible in contrast to Luger. That said, did we have to have that much tobacco juice around Stan's chin? It was getting nauseating to look at by the end. Great promo from Hansen here, and he's got Corny scared to death. Normally, a line like Stan's "I've always been number one, just ask my wife!" would be the line of the segment, but the host steals the moment with his line as Hansen leaves: "I really need more money for this!" Luger's as fired up as he's ever been; not even Flair and the Horsemen have ever gotten him this angry. It's nice to see, but I really wish he would have said "ass", even if it had to be bleeped; people as angry as he's supposed to be don't use the phrase "piece of my you-know-what", even if they know kids are watching. Excellent stuff from all concerned.